Will Casey face probation?

Horace Finklestein · Aug 3, 2011

I love it that she doesn't even have to be there. Wouldn't it make sense to have her there so they can get the ball rolling if the probation is enforced?? Then again, I forgot she is Casey Anthony, why should she have to get up early and come to some courtroom? That's what the rest of us losers would have to do.

All you have to do is say it's a "circus" atmosphere and all bets are off. Nevermind this was 1/1000 of the OJ trial, and no one has been attacked/killed, etc. and information is being attained through legal means. What a "circus".

snowdaze · Aug 3, 2011

Clearly, Judge Strickland ordered her probation after release. I personally believe she should be on probation. How do they know she's been rehabbed by sitting in a jail cell? There are probation requirements that she couldn't have possibly fulfilled in jail. I hope Judge Perry can do the right thing here and protect citizens from this thief. Her attorney let her plead guilty and was present when sentenced. It shouldn't be down to what spin you can put on it. If she isn't made to get a job, she may be tempted to re-offend. IMO

cluciano63 · Aug 3, 2011

Way too much "human error" in this case...it is hard to believe this is the US Court system we are talking about here...

Murphismo · Aug 3, 2011

rotterdam said:
There is no evidence to believe that both Judges are not working in tandem.
Besides Judge Perry did not vacate the order.

politics is rotten business...... They could be working together on this, one would think so because it would really make thinks bad for HHJS working for HHJBP.....unless (and here comes by conspiricy buff), HHJS realizes HHBP really is despised right now for not calling a mistrial and DID toss him a loaded hand grenade to cause a speedier descent into non-reelection..... Then maybe HHJS will be seen as the hero, especially if HHBP quashes the order, and guess who gets reelected to maybe an even higher office?

askfornina · Aug 3, 2011

addressing the terms of probation issue in the ask lawyers thread FWIW:

askfornina said:
if casey didn't meet all the terms of probation, for example if she wasn't drug tested, or if she did not pay for the probation in full, what effect would that have on the probation issue?

AZlawyer said:
She did comply with the terms, and her probation was officially terminated.

tsitra01 · Aug 3, 2011

Judge Strictlqnd expressed orally that she be on probation WHEN RELeASeD.
that has as much revelance as if he had it in writing. It is on video.

dog.gone.cute · Aug 3, 2011

snowdaze said:
Clearly, Judge Strickland ordered her probation after release. I personally believe she should be on probation. How do they know she's been rehabbed by sitting in a jail cell? There are probation requirements that she couldn't have possibly fulfilled in jail. I hope Judge Perry can do the right thing here and protect citizens from this thief. Her attorney let her plead guilty and was present when sentenced. It shouldn't be down to what spin you can put on it. If she isn't made to get a job, she may be tempted to re-offend. IMO

BBM: Yes ... she will re-offend ... but more than likely she will NOT -- or NEVER -- have a job !

She is "Casey Anthony" ... she does not have to work ... she does not have to have a job ... she does not have to show up for depositions or court or probation ... she has NO responsibilties ... she can do whatever the he77 she wants to ...

:banghead::maddening::banghead:

Schu7 · Aug 3, 2011

"IF" I got this correct, a lowest level non-court person makes the law in Florida. A lowly clerk writes up the orders. How ever he feels like it. And those orders he writes is law. So all one has to do is bribe a minimum wage county worker to get what you want. Al Capone never had it this great in Chicago for himself. He had to at least bribe 12 jurors.:twocents:

tsitra01 · Aug 3, 2011

How did she comply with the terms pf probation when she continued to lie while incarcerated and write letters that were passed to other inmates which is against rules?

cuppy199 · Aug 3, 2011

Murphismo said:
politics is rotten business...... They could be working together on this, one would think so because it would really make thinks bad for HHJS working for HHJBP.....unless (and here comes by conspiricy buff), HHJS realizes HHBP really is despised right now for not calling a mistrial and DID toss him a loaded hand grenade to cause a speedier descent into non-reelection..... Then maybe HHJS will be seen as the hero, especially if HHBP quashes the order, and guess who gets reelected to maybe an even higher office?

Yes politics can be rotten but on both JP and JS behave I have to say I dont believe for one minute either of them would use this case or any other case to further their career. Both of them are very highly respected and honorible judges.We cant always help the hand we are dealt and sadly they just happen to be dealt KA.

JBean · Aug 3, 2011

grandmaj said:
That's insanity and gives me reason to hope that probation was not served because all they did was visit her once. No drug tests, nothing. Let's see what kind of records they have. I'm sure they will be required to produce them.

The reality is the court doesn't really have a say in how probation is run after they issue the order;it is up to the DOC or governing agency. It is not the courts problem or KC's problem if the probation was inadequate.It is the problem of the probationary body and they will have to deal with that internally. Think Philip Garrido.

The whole notion of serving probation in jail is counterintuitive so I am not addressing that, but how it was run by the DOC is not the courts "business" I assume KC would not be able to live with other felons while on probation-yet she just spent the last year living with plenty;so you can see there are all kinds of problems that go part and parcel with serving probation while incarcerated. Something has got to give. So if they visited her once and did not do drug testing it was because they rolled with the punches and didn't spend the time, money and/or manpower that seemed inconsequential at the time.If the probationary body says she served probation to their satisfaction-then she did.

Also,IMO if this was any other criminal this would be a non issue and would not even be addressed.

Tiki · Aug 3, 2011

JSR said:
I have absolutely no faith that Casey will be held accountable for probation anymore than she was for the murder of her daughter. This girl is like Teflon nothing sticks to her. She will remain free to mooch off society and her DT as she has been since her release. Free to shop with other peoples money at old navy and drink her starbucks. It's disgusting what this "thing" has gotten away with.

I almost think it's a waste of time to even try to get her to be held accountable and be treated like any other normal citizen would.

But I do admire Judge S for trying to do something just seems like it's a waste, a huge waste because Casey always always I mean always gets out of her jams. This time will be no different. We are talking about Casey having gotten away with murder, getting out of probation will be no different for her.

YEs , ITA and I am :banghead: for letting myself get caught up in this again.

.:maddening:

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Schu7 · Aug 3, 2011

rotterdam said:
There is no evidence to believe that both Judges are not working in tandem.
Besides Judge Perry did not vacate the order.

There is no evidence either Judge is working - PERIOD!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

JBean · Aug 3, 2011

tsitra01 said:
Judge Strictlqnd expressed orally that she be on probation WHEN RELeASeD.
that has as much revelance as if he had it in writing. It is on video.

It must be written in the order-but amending the order is certainly reasonable and customary.

natsound · Aug 3, 2011

JSR said:
I have absolutely no faith that Casey will be held accountable for probation anymore than she was for the murder of her daughter. This girl is like Teflon nothing sticks to her. She will remain free to mooch off society and her DT as she has been since her release. Free to shop with other peoples money at old navy and drink her starbucks. It's disgusting what this "thing" has gotten away with.

I almost think it's a waste of time to even try to get her to be held accountable and be treated like any other normal citizen would.

But I do admire Judge S for trying to do something just seems like it's a waste, a huge waste because Casey always always I mean always gets out of her jams. This time will be no different. We are talking about Casey having gotten away with murder, getting out of probation will be no different for her.

I have to admit, it would have been nice if Judge S. had tried to correct the error before KC was released. Why the delay?

JBean · Aug 3, 2011

rotterdam said:
I can see the logic of the probation officer meeting her only once in person. The probation dept is probably very busy with other outside clients. Kind of a duplication of efforts/waste of time to visit a probationer that is already under constant supervision by other DOC employees.

Exactly. They would be keeping tabs on those not incarcerated and it would be a waste of resources to have dogged her in jail.

natsound · Aug 3, 2011

Tiki said:
YEs , ITA and I am :banghead: for letting myself get caught up in this again.

.:maddening:

.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You're obviously not alone! :seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya:

tsitra01 · Aug 3, 2011

JBean said:
It must be written in the order-but amending the order is certainly reasonable and customary.

I have read different opinions on that by Attorneys but we will have to wait and see what JP decides.

Murphismo · Aug 3, 2011

cuppy199 said:
Yes politics can be rotten but on both JP and JS behave I have to say I dont believe for one minute either of them would use this case or any other case to further their career. Both of them are very highly respected and honorible judges.We cant always help the hand we are dealt and sadly they just happen to be dealt KA.

I sure hope you are right, I just see an absolute fustercluck of a public relations disaster aimed right at both of them......:twocents:

askfornina · Aug 3, 2011

also pulled from the ask lawyers thread for all of your information, FWIW, etc:

What'sThatClue said:
If Judge Stan Strickland signs his clarification on Monday of his prior order to place FCA on probation, and FCA is placed on probation at this point, can it be legally challenged?

(I mean, successfully challenged and overturned?)

AZlawyer said:
Yes, it could and would be successfully challenged IMO, because she has already served the probation in jail. Even if that was a mistake on the part of the DOC, she can't be made to serve it again.

rotterdam said:
Oh, I am so confused now. If Judge Strickland issued a specific order that probation must be served after KC's release from jail, who could trump that. Certainly not the DOC.
I would think only a higher Court could overrule a Judge's decision/ruling in his court . Or may be the Governor of Fla. can overrule.
I was always under the assumption that the Judge is the final authority/decision maker in any court room unless appealed to a higher superior court..... And his ruling must be obeyed period . I am totally lost.

AZlawyer said:
IMO it isn't so much a matter of the DOC "trumping" the judge's order, as of the inability to make the defendant serve a sentence twice--even if it was served the first time in error. So if Casey in fact completed her probation in jail--i.e., visited with a probation officer and whatever else she was required to do (probably not much!)--then she has served her sentence and cannot be made to serve it again.

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