GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #4

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Do y'all expect that we will be getting any new updates today since we haven't heard much over the weekend?
You all seem pretty educated on how these investigations typically take place amd this is y I ask...
I hope something happens soon I think about Jaren constantly and it hurts my heart knowing she endured so much fear and pain....I guess what I'm hoping to hear is that of the possibility that she didnt suffer too much...that would be probably the best news out of this horrific senseless act of violence that was committed upon her.....I can't express how bad i want justice for Jaren and all who loved her while she lived as well as all of us who come to care for her in death!!
 
aviatrix said:
Here's a scenario.

I don't believe their intention was to murder Jaren initially. The reason is that they risked too much being on camera.

However, a coworker of hers was murdered a few months back. One reason to have to kill Jaren might have been that somehow that information slipped out between <modsnip>. Maybe they killed her because they had killed before and by their actions or by some evidence that came to light that evening she knew that they had killed the other girl. Just a thought.
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I just feel if ^^^^that were the case y did they go to the other club and proposition the other dancers as they did prior to them leaving temptations with Jaren?? If not for these other dancers coming forward I probably could toss around ur idea ....however we have that testimony from (firgive me i forgot her name was it sheila or something??)......I understand why u would think that but after the stories of them being propositioned byTS TS and MAS, to me opens a whole new :worms:

JMO THO I COULD NE WRONG WHO KNOWS AT THIS POINT WITH THIS CASE BEING SO ODD TO ME ANYWAY
 
Sorry if this has already been posted. I don't remember seeing it and found it interesting.

USM Marine Science Dept. assists in murder investigation
By Al Showers


Helping figure out where Jaren Lockhart's dismembered body was dumped into the water is now in the hands of scientists and oceanographers.

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Copyright 2012 WLOX. All rights reserved.

http://www.wdam.com/story/18802859/usm-marine-science-dept-assist-in-murder-investigation
 
That is an interesting article, nolaallycat. I hope it works!



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bessie said:
That is an interesting article, nolaallycat. I hope it works!



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Oops. Sorry! Not too good at this. Especially from my phone. Thanks Bessie, I appreciate it.
 
bessie said:
Very slow, PTM. I'm sure we'll hear more this week. :prayer: :crossfingers: I don't think the truth will stay hidden long in this case.
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I hope so!!!! I can't imagine how hard every day that passes is for her closest of friends and family! I'd assume they feel like it's taking forever bc that is how it feels to me and I never had the pleasure of meeting Jaren.....they loved her! Wow I really hope the truth comes out soon!! You are so right BESS!!! I HOPE for sake of the ones closest to her!

R.I.P. Jaren :angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:
 
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I just do not like the style of writing in the article, it had no new information-it was a chelsea hoffman piece.
JMO
 
aviatrix said:
Perhaps Jaren got very upset when she realized that they were not going to pay her the $500 they had promised....and something about the other case came up....and things escalated from there.

The reason I think something else was happening here is because I read at first that she had been stabbed in the back. To be stabbed in the back means to me that she was physically fighting with someone and another person stabbed her. I then saw this changed to stabbed in the chest, but at first I saw stabbed in the back.

I think it is important -- they were together to pick up a third party - and knew they were on camera doing that. At some point in the evening after they escorted Jaren to their vehicle to head to their 500 dollar party or whatever - something big changed.

At this point I have to ask -- but why was the co-worker killed? Was that a robbery or a thrill killing? Maybe we need to go back and look at that murder to help decide what happened in this one.
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Now that theory could be possible...I know someone had posted earlier about how the two suspects could have killed Jaren bc she knew of something they did wrong in the past and I thought....WELL....that doesn't explain why they propositioned the other dancer(s) ....However, the way you just explained it could make sense now.....but JMHO for some reason IDT this is why they killed her.......IDKY they did kill her to be exact....
One theory I've kinda been thinking of is at some point I think they might have drugged her bc they knew she wasn't going to participate in some of the sick perverse things they wanted to do with her and whatever they gave her might have killed or maybe made them think she was dead and that could explain the one stab to the chest......ughh possibly to the heart or an attempt to hit the heart....IDL thinking that but it is a possibility in my mind...BC I was thinking it seems odd that they said chest and not to the heart.....and IDKFS but it seems like just one single chest wound wouldn't be enough to kill her or if it was enough it doesn't seem it would have immediately killed her....which leads me to believe that she would be so frightened she would be trying to fight and scream as loud as possible...or that she would be in pain and she would be fighing and it just seems like this would have enraged the perp(s) even more leading him/her to stab until her struggle had expired. So this is why I think that it's possible that at some point after leaving that club she was drugged.....What do you guys think??? Possible or am I just speculating too much?? Whatever happened to Jaren that night in a way I almost pray she was out of it before she was killed so she didn't feel any pain or lie there in fear! BC that is horrible for any human to endure I'd imagine!!
 
QuarterRatty said:
Hey Ya'll!!

Just checking in. Figured we wouldn't get any updates till mon.

Just wanted to reply to a few of the posts I read in the last 4 pages. In the video shot from the door in temptations, that is definitely MAS and TS. With out a doubt. We know them from around the quarter and have worked with MAS before.

Hope it helps!
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It always seemed clear to me that it was TS in the video, perhaps because I used to know a guy in college that looked a lot like him, so even from the different angles I could recognize it.

Regarding the hunting knife, that further makes me think a third person was involved, or more. Even if TS was known to carry a knife on him, I doubt it would be a hunting knife, as opposed to something more convenient for carrying. To me, a hunting knife seems like something carried by someone who has no fear of trouble from police, e.g., pat downs, etc. To me, it screams underworld enforcer type.

Plus, although I am unfamiliar with weapons laws in MS, in LA it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade bigger than 4" concealed. So carrying one that size by someone on the run from police would be very stupid as a pat down would result in full arrest and charges. Assuming that the hunting knife would have a blade larger than 4".
 
I have seen a couple of post state that TS was known to carry a knife.
Is there a link?
Where is this info coming from?
I must have missed it. TIA
JMO
 
LadyBug86 said:
Now that theory could be possible...I know someone had posted earlier about how the two suspects could have killed Jaren bc she knew of something they did wrong in the past and I thought....WELL....that doesn't explain why they propositioned the other dancer(s) ....However, the way you just explained it could make sense now.....but JMHO for some reason IDT this is why they killed her.......IDKY they did kill her to be exact....
One theory I've kinda been thinking of is at some point I think they might have drugged her bc they knew she wasn't going to participate in some of the sick perverse things they wanted to do with her and whatever they gave her might have killed or maybe made them think she was dead and that could explain the one stab to the chest......ughh possibly to the heart or an attempt to hit the heart....IDL thinking that but it is a possibility in my mind...BC I was thinking it seems odd that they said chest and not to the heart.....and IDKFS but it seems like just one single chest wound wouldn't be enough to kill her or if it was enough it doesn't seem it would have immediately killed her....which leads me to believe that she would be so frightened she would be trying to fight and scream as loud as possible...or that she would be in pain and she would be fighing and it just seems like this would have enraged the perp(s) even more leading him/her to stab until her struggle had expired. So this is why I think that it's possible that at some point after leaving that club she was drugged.....What do you guys think??? Possible or am I just speculating too much?? Whatever happened to Jaren that night in a way I almost pray she was out of it before she was killed so she didn't feel any pain or lie there in fear! BC that is horrible for any human to endure I'd imagine!!
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The theory that she was killed for something she "knew" doesn't add up at all to me, and amounts to nothing more than wild speculation (especially considering we dont even know that the other dancer was murdered).

She was clearly a somewhat random target, and likely was not targeted for anything other than a good time. Whether or not she knew what she was getting into is up for debate. TS and MAS probably were looking for exactly what MAS said they were looking for at first... a 3rd person to come back and party with them. The second option, being a private party to make some extra money, was likely just a way of getting her out of the club. They obviously learned the first two times that inviting a dancer back to their place wasn't going to work, but I'd bet that's what they really were looking for.

I'm guessing they brought her somewhere remote to coax her into a threesome, she said something like, "Soooo.. where's the party?"... asked to leave or tried to leave, and took a knife to the chest.

---I'm trying very hard to keep it simple, and this particular theory seems to best represent the conversations MAS had with other dancers, TS's previous criminal history, the dyed hair and attempt to flee, and the hasty, ineffective means of evidence disposal.
 
gngr~snap said:
Her family believes she was murdered... her name escapes me! I would link to the article I read. The sister said the thermostat was turned up to 85 degrees to hasten decomp.
I believe the autopsy determined she overdosed...
It could go either way... I just don't see someone planning to commit suicide WANTING her body to decay faster... maybe I am missing something!
She had a 3 yr old as well. Everything to live for per the family, but I know suicide is hard to accept, especially when it comes out of left field!
They thought that before Jaren was killed. Her murder sealed it for them... now they are certain and doing what they can to resolve the issue.
moo
found it!
"When my sister died, no one really listened to us," she said Thursday. "We know my sister's case was a murder."
"The case is still open, but the police just stopped investigating."
" There were missing items, she said, such as her cell phone, and someone had turned the thermostat in the room up to 85 degrees, accelerating decay."
http://12.68.233.230/40/article_6033.shtml

* why would a suicide case remain "open"?
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This is why I was thinking that there was a possibility that Jaren could have been drugged sometime after leaving with them.....but what wouldnt make sense to me if that were the case why did they not try to hide Hillarys body like Jaren's there was some effort to cover up the crime...where Hillary was left in the tub......IDK if TS and MAS had anything to do with Hillary's death but I was thinking if Hillary was murdered I believe the same person who murdered Hillary murdered Angela Ball BC IMO both their deaths were made to look like suicide ....where as Jaren was OBVIOUSLY murdered in the most horrific way....
JMT
 
I would be interested know if MAS showed up at her new job the following day with blue hair. I wonder if she stayed and worked feeling ill or went home sick. Also, I am curious if she continued to show up for work after that day.

It would seem if someone approached TS to get them a girl then they knew he had connections with the dancers. It was late at night when they began their quest meaning that most likely they were given that request within a short time before they set out to find a girl. I can't beleive that they would not have known "working" girls on the street that they could have approached had they or a client had a request that was sexual in nature.

This indicates to me that they were given a specific request for a dancer. Since we have others that have come forward saying they were propositioned that night and LE has verified this to be true (have they?) then besides being dancers, what do these girls have in common?

Does the same person own the businesses where these girls that were propositioned work? Was this a message being sent to the owner of the businesses?
 
mcmlxxix said:
I'm guessing they brought her somewhere remote to coax her into a threesome, she said something like, "Soooo.. where's the party?"... asked to leave or tried to leave, and took a knife to the chest.
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I believe that's certainly a viable theory, especially if she freaked out enough and perhaps threatened to call the police, causing TS to overreact because of his outstanding warrants and kill her. Of course, it seems like it would take something pretty big to cause that strong of a reaction by either JL or TS, but who knows?
 
An investigator says he's not worried that a suspect connected to the death and dismemberment of 22-year-old New Orleans stripper Jaren Lockhart may soon be transferred to North Carolina for a different crime.

Pictures: Bourbon St. dancer found dismembered

Hancock County Mississippi investigator Glenn Grannon said the federal charge against 39-year-old Terry Christopher Speaks won't affect the probe into the murder of Lockhart, whose body parts washed ashore in Mississippi last week.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...led-by-federal-case-in-n.c-investigator-says/
 
MookyThomas said:
I believe that's certainly a viable theory, especially if she freaked out enough and perhaps threatened to call the police, causing TS to overreact because of his outstanding warrants and kill her. Of course, it seems like it would take something pretty big to cause that strong of a reaction by either JL or TS, but who knows?
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Well, they picked her up just after 2am. TS looked like he was staggering a bit on the way in, with a drink in his hand... it's not like they sat around watching tv until midnight then decided to go out, they were probably partying all evening and liquid courage (among other things) gave them the audacity to try to bring home a dancer.

Given TS's prior violation of protective order, assault charges... it's not unreasonable to think that he's a violent drunk, and from my own experience with that type, it's not unreasonable to think he could have a murderous spontaneous reaction to being rejected.
 
gulfcoastgal said:
I've never really participated in any type forum before so I hope yall will be patient with me & forgive any mistakes I may make. I have been following this case since the day JL came ashore in BSL. In fact that is how I discovered this site. I did not know JL, but with all I've read, the pics, the memorial pages etc. I now feel as though I did know her.She seemed to me to be a beautiful (inside & out), free spirited,ambitious, young woman who had so much life yet to live.How anyone could have committed this unfathomable act is just beyond comprehension for me. Whomever did do this is nothing less than pure evil & certainly deserves to have his/her life taken as well imo. This case for some reason just seems to haunt me day & night. It's as though I am possessed rather than obsessed with it.There has been so much media attention( which is a good thing in some ways) not to mention all the other outlets I.E. this sight , facebook etc. While there are many facts there is also much speculation. I do believe LE has much more info than any of us are aware of & that perhaps in the coming week we will have answers to many of our questions. I have been back & forth in what may have happened in this case. For some reason though I keep coming back to my original thoughts. I believe TS & MAS did have a plan on that night to pick up a girl from one of the clubs to have some sort of sexual whatever with. I don't believe however that Jaren was into that scene & TS knew that. That is why he approached her with the proposition of doing a private party for some quick cash. Perhaps they told her the party was in MS. If there is indeed video of the 3 of them together here that would mean at that point she was ok & thinking they were on the way to the party. Perhaps they stopped at a store for drinksor something. I'm not sure where they may have taken her from there, but I would imagine that would be when she realized there was no party & something was terribly wrong.Her brother described her as a fighter & said she would not have been taken without a fight.THis is where things get fuzzy for me. I read awhile back that someone said TS was let go from his job for messing with security system/surveillance camera in the club he was working. Did he know then he was going to go after a dancer & wanted to fix it so he would not be seen in the club or with the girl? Did he know in his sick mind he was going to kill her? Did MAS know that they were going to kill someone that night or did she honestly believe she was picking up a toy for the two of them? Had they played this game before? If so where are the other participants? Why haven't they come forward. Were they harmed as well? So many questions....so few answers. I think that when JL realized she'd been tricked & was in a bad situation she probably began to put up a fight, which would not have set well with TS. When JL refused to go along with their sick little sex game I think everything went really bad right then. Did they force themselves on her? I pray not. At this point though TS knew he could never let her go. He knew she would turn them in. In fact I think he knew when they took her whereever that she could never leave. He knew she had been seen with them & he knew she could bring him & MAS down. So yes I think he planned to kill her all along. Was MAS aware this was going to happen beforehand? I'm honestly not sure.She doesn't seem to have tried to stop it nor to speak out about it once they wew caught. whether she participated in the actual killing & dismemberment or not she was there & she still tries to cover it up so she is just as guilty as if she'd done it herself. TS was prepared to move on & she was willing to go right along with him.Perhaps now they travel that long road together that will lead them straight to the death chamber! They certainly deserve no less than this. I have a hard time believing anyone else was involved. They would be just another loose end to worry about.I think they dismembered her in hopes that the smaller pieces would be washed out & perhaps eaten by sharks or gators. I think all of this took place @ wherever they originally took her ( abandoned cabin, woods etc) near the water. They then went home cleaned up & MAS went to work. Of course she was very ill. After all she had just witnessed or participated in a murder & dismemberment of a young undeserving woman. WWWHHHYYYY????? THis was such a senseless, horriffic crime. So Jaren was a dancer. That did not make her less of a person. She was a mother, a daughter, sheworked an honest job & made honest pay all to support her family. She had a wonderful boyfriend who loved her unconditionally & was there for her & for their baby girl.She wasn't out on the corner soliciting, selling drugs or anything else illegal. Perhaps you would not have chosen her career as your own, but perhaps you wouldn't have been willing to go to any lengths to take care of your family the way she did. My thoughts & prayers go out to Jaren's family, To her BF & to her little girl. May you all find peace, comfort & strength in each other & in God. You have all suffered a life changing loss. Love & support each other. Jaren would want that I do believe. Dear Jaren You are "GONE TOO SOON". You will never be forgotten though. May you rest in peace with the angels. Thanks everyone for allowing me to share this. Sorry it's so long. Just needed to say it all to release.
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I just wanted to comment on the part of ur quote when you asked where are the other participants if there are any who possibly went home and did things with MAS and TS.... You could be right there could be witnesses and maybe they were scared to come forward if they were attacked...if they were willing then they probably are too ashamed to come out and admit it bc LOOK AT THE TWO OF THEM....they are filthy and every time I look at their pics I cringe and have to quit looking bc they are so evil and disgusting in my mind....But I just felt compelled to say that there could be other participants or victims whom are in fact alive but for fear of whatever reasons they may have or fear of embarrassment they are not going to come forward....I know that this is a possibility BC I delt with the fear of coming forward after I was attacked I was not only disgusted and felt dirty and disgusting and embarrassed but I was scared and felt alone after I was raped....I later learned that a majority of rape victims feel as I did and that it is 100% normal to feel that way and even for some to blame themselves....
All that being said I can relate to a lot of the statements you made and how you are haunted on a daily basis of this case even tho you did't know Jaren bc I know exactly what ur talking about there hun! I also have never been a member of the forums but in reading online of Jaren in the days that followed her torso washing ashore I too ran across this forum and have been addicted to it ever since LOL....I pretty much agree with about everything you said!!
I sure hope we get something soon....I'm local as well and I expected something this morning on the news....I was kind of let down after watching all morning and really nothing was discussed ...at least from what I saw anyway.........:banghead:
 
Lights said:
I remember reading that one of the strippers said that TS and MS mentioned the "party" was in East New Orleans.

As for the hunting knife, it is not an ideal knife for stabbing because it is only sharp on one edge, whereas a dagger is more ideal for stabbing. However, hunting knives are a good tool for skinning and cutting meat. To stab with the hunting knife would have taken a great deal of force, but once it was in, it would have made a more-than-adequate-sized hole that could have caused heavy blood loss, where making an additional stab wound would not have been necessary. I am thinking the same knife used to kill JL was used to dismember her. It is possible this hunting knife was laying around a fish camp or cabin, but I think TS was carrying it all along. Someone earlier said he was known to carry a knife on him.
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LIGHTS,
was there ever any more mention of where "the party" was.....Where in NEW ORLEANS EAST if that's where it was?? If she were taken to New Orleans East by MAS and TS I fear that they brought her and did whatever it was they wanted to her and if they left her out there It's very possible that someone else could have gotten her and murdered and dumped her body in BSL....And this could explain why they were on the run and dyed their hair BC they knew they were the last to be seen with Jaren and they knew someone murdered her and that never would have happened had they not lured her out the club and took her to New Orleans East and had their way and after leaving they hear of her body being discovered they immediately panic and try to get out of dodge of LE....Does anyone know what day MAS's Facebook acct. was deleted JW because if she deleted it after LE released the serv. video then I guess this could be a possible theory ...but if she deleted it before then she was guilty before ......Would be nice to figure out what day that FB was deleted and what day the Video was released IMO
 
Just a request please. I know this is something that others have requested on other threads in the past so I know I am not the only one who has this problem........

When you are posting a long post, I know you are probably trying to save space but it makes it MUCH easier to read a long post when you leave spaces between paragraphs or between points.

This helps a lot to make your words a lot easier to read and help makes the points you are making stand out more and be easier to find if someone (at a later date) wants to go back and look for what you said.

I'll admit, I'm getting older and I no longer have that perfect vision I once bragged about. I just want to make sure to be able to read everything that you have to say. I imagine that others on cell phones may find it easier to read long passages if they are broken up into smaller chunks as well.

Thanks everyone, for everything that you are doing. I really appreciate everything you guys are doing as we go forward in this case, on our way to justice for Jaren. Your compassion and dedication really shines thru in your words and the volume of posts that have been written already.
 
I've been trying to make sense of the aliases LE said that TS used.

It's scary. If you google 'Terry Christopher' and look at the people finder link, many sections come up with this name along with an age range close to his own. There's always a list of people who may be related to that person off to the side. Some of the names look like they are versions of his aliases or made up as well ~

~ for instance, Allen J. Terry, Chris Terry, Terry Terry, Allen Terry. This person has always lived in a several states or one that has an open case of a missing young woman; Terry Christopher, SC; Terry Christopher, Durham NC; Terry Christopher, KY; and versions in TN, OH, IN and more.

The F.B.I. has to look into these listings to check out if they're all the same person claiming to live in all of these different places with the people whose names may be associated with him. It looks odd to me. They need to see if there's more than one Christopher Terry and if he/they have a legit family that includes legit names, etc. Something doesn't look right when you look at all the separate entries with the various 'related to' names. And this is only one version of the aliases TS has used.
 
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