FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #4

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A narcotics officer was at the scene - he was questioned at the station.


Which homicide case are you referring to?

Again, which homicide case? His injuries are in the initial police report.

Seriously, there is no homicide case I can find under the name George Zimmer. I'd like to read about a witness being coached to change her statement though? Was this on ABC?

The witness, who is a school teacher if I am not mistaken, did not use the word coached. She said the officer corrected her when she told him that it was Trayvon screaming. He corrected her and told her it was Zimmerman screaming.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136
 
Can someone please bump Ynots post? My phone won't let me pull it from the closed thread :mad:

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I am not sticking up for GZ or for TM
but I am not going to pretend untill I really know
that GZ is guilty of murder.
It will be hard to know with the lack of proper reports.
and timely interviews :(

It does look like GZ was wound up.
And it also looks like TM could have taken a straight and
direct way home. not just come to the car and see who was following him.
something strange about that as well. If I am scared I go go go….


Oh, I agree. I don't think it's murder, I'm thinking more on the lines of negligent homocide. He was negligent for sure and there was a homocide. Did it have to happen is the question that should be asked and once GZ took pursuit his claim to stand your ground appears baseless and should be dismissed. Apparently more people agree with this than not.

I'm troubled by the fact that he has never made a public statement through his attorney to TM's parents but called a neighbor and left a message of appreciation. The options were GZ's alone and it's clear he just did not choose to follow the right path. jmo
 
Well I have a fairly new Iphone- less than 6 mo. old, it's never powered "off", so if I miss a call, yes it does show up as a missed call if they don't leave a voice message.

My phone shows missed calls too if it is not powered off. I have an android, smart phone. Very similar to the Iphones. I never power it off but sometimes I am remiss in charging the battery so then it powers down itself. If that happens, and it has, I do not know if I have missed a call. It is also during that period of time that incoming calls go straight to voice mail. A caller will not hear the phone ring, it will just immediately be picked up by voice mail.

That is what Trayvon's father said happened when he called. He said the call went straight to voice mail. So for a call to immediately go to voice mail, one of several things happened. The battery was dead (or removed), the phone was powered down manually or the phone was broken, or for some other reason it was not receiving service. In that situation, an incoming call on the missed call log is not going to show up. The phone never rang. It does not know it missed a call.

IMO
 
Which homicide case are you referring to?

A human being was killed - that is a homicide. While charges have not been filed, this is still a homicide case. Why are you trying to deny that it is?

Homicide definition:
The killing of one human being by another human being.

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury, or they may be commanded or authorized by law to kill a person who is a member of an enemy force or who has committed a serious crime. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree.
More: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide
 
Is it possible that TM ducked under the porch because of the rain, put his hoodie up because of the rain, then proceeded to walk the rest of the way home?

Is it possible him putting his hoodie up had nothing to do with being watched and everything to do with it raining?

Is is possible that because recent break-ins were supposedly done by black male teens that GZ was quick to draw his own conclusion that TM was suspicious without giving any benefit of the doubt?

IMO

It was reported that he did it to get out of the rain, that he ducked under an awning to get out of the rain.

A duck would be in and out, I would imagine anyone following him or seeing him would be smart enough to put two and two together, it's raining, a kid ducks under an awning. No major suspicious conspiracy there.

where the teen had ducked under an awning to get out of the rain.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php
 
Well I have a fairly new Iphone- less than 6 mo. old, it's never powered "off", so if I miss a call, yes it does show up as a missed call if they don't leave a voice message.

I am not sure what your point is. I, too, have a less than six month old iphone, sometimes I choose to power it off, sometimes the battery dies. In both of those cases missed calls do not show when I turn the phone back on.
 
A narcotics officer was at the scene - he was questioned at the station.


Which homicide case are you referring to?

Again, which homicide case? His injuries are in the initial police report.

Seriously, there is no homicide case I can find under the name George Zimmer. I'd like to read about a witness being coached to change her statement though? Was this on ABC?

This is a homicide case. When a human kills another human it is a homicide. Whether it is justifiable or not is up to the law. But once again when a human kills another human it is a homicide.
 
I don't believe that was mentioned in Zimmerman's call though? That didn't come out until later, if I'm not mistaken? I would love to see Zimmerman's statement he wrote the night this happened to see if it's written there?

I'd like to know how we even know that TM did, in fact, duck under a porch or awning.

(other than GZ saying one way or the other)
 
That is smart. BBM
At some point he wald to the car. se the 911 call

No, at some point, he allegedly walked to the car, according to his killer, and only according to his killer.
 
I don't believe that was mentioned in Zimmerman's call though? That didn't come out until later, if I'm not mistaken? I would love to see Zimmerman's statement he wrote the night this happened to see if it's written there?

Oh sorry, I misunderstood then.

I was just saying there's nothing suspicious about a kid ducking under an awning in the rain.
 
No, at some point, he allegedly walked to the car, according to his killer, and only according to his killer.
When the call was made there was no killing. so there was no need to tell them a strange story.
 
IMO, were that the case, he would have mentioned it to his gf while on the phone with her. It's much more likely, IMO, he didn't run home because he wanted to circle behind this man who was following him to confront him as to why he was being follwed.


I think Trayvon was afraid of leading the strange man home to his little brother and so didn't run home on purpose. He knew this strange man was following him. He was probably trying to protect his brother.
 
I'd like to know how we even know that TM did, in fact, duck under a porch or awning.

(other than GZ saying one way or the other)

One thing a member, HiHater, pointed out last night, was a picture that shows that the property has cameras? I would like to know where all the cameras are? If they are by the entrances, I would think that they would have caught Trayvon walking into the complex? Zimmerman made comments about the clubhouse in his call, would the cameras from a clubhouse have caught anything? Did the police even check the videotapes? Maybe we would be able to see where Zimmerman's gun was when he jumped out of the car? Or maybe it would have caught Zimmerman walking back to his car when Trayvon jumped him from behind? The big question is again, did LE even check them? And have they been taped over now because they didn't?

ETA: I am not saying that Trayvon jumped him from behind... it is just something that has been reported as Zimmerman's claims.
 
That is smart. BBM
At some point he wald to the car. se the 911 call

As per the 911 call, at some point he walked TOWARD the car. Nothing definitive about how close he really got to the vehicle. If I were being followed by a vehicle I might walk a little closer to it to get a look at the driver. Why you ask? I might be hoping it was someone I recognized, such as a neighbor of my Dad's fiancee. I might have hoped that the guy was a wearing a security uniform, thus allaying my fears that I was being followed for nefarious purposes. I might approach in an attempt to see if the person needed assistance of some kind. Perhaps, George should have called out to Trayvon at that point and identified himself. He didn't, and whatever Trayvon saw didn't make him feel secure, becuse he ran away at that point. Cue my speculation in my previous post. Imo of course.
 
When the call was made there was no killing. so there was no need to tell them a strange story.

Unless one is an overreacting, gun-toting, nosy person trying to justify their "suspicions." It's already overzealous and inappropriate for a "neighborhood watch" person to carry a gun.
jmho, etc.
 
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