NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

regret said:

Happy to lurk...but too frustrated that none of you have speculated the following clincher IMO IMO IMO.

Stubble found under fingernails???? IMO IMO IMO.
All other evidence redundant. IMO IMO IMO.
Scrathced flesh caught under fingernails may decompose and not be forensically evident, but stubble hair doesn't. IMO IMO IMO
Whatever the outcome...Allsion's suffering is over, and those who remain, guilty AND innocent, are in a living hell 24/7. I am just so sorry for all of them - ALL of them. It takes 3 generations of a family for murder to lift its shadow....both the offender's family and the victim's family. They are all worthy of your prayers. And you are too. And I am not God-toting, by the way.

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Oh yeah, I thought of that about the beard hairs but at the moment, i've the attention span of a gnat! I go to google then i've forgotten what I was looking up! lol

digitup said:

Another option is that she was put in a sleeper hold (lateral vascular neck restraint)that stops blood flow to the brain and can cause temporary unconsciousness (or death) then placed in the car and later 'woke up' only to be bashed..maybe this was when the plan went wrong?

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It had crossed my mind before that a hypothetical scenario could have been that Allison was unconscious when put in the car, which travelled up around Rafting road. She woke up unexpectedly, tried to escape, was caught - hence the 2 piercing screams and the third muffled scream. Was she murdered around there? Then placed in the car again? Just further speculation. The unexplained screams still bother me as they were night piercing screams of someone in imminent danger. The screams heard were a female voice.

BJsleuth said:

To make you feel better, i'm about the same age and I don't have an iPhone and I hate smartphones, it takes me so long to type anything out (used my son's when mine took a dip in the mop bucket). They seem like way too much work for me. I know where everything is on my older style phone and I can do what I need without even looking.

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Yes it does make me feel better LOL. Thanks BJ, that is exactly what I mean. I can even see my Dad saying exactly what you did.


BTW I am terribly sorry for bringing up the iphone issue.
But, it does go to show that everyone is different and has different opinions.

BJsleuth said:

Oh yeah, I thought of that about the beard hairs but at the moment, i've the attention span of a gnat! I go to google then i've forgotten what I was looking up! lol

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:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

DrWatson said:

Grannie - trust me - I'm a doctor... (joke! - the "trust me" bit at least)

That first link is discussing laser surgery in the lungs - nothing to do with "injecting" air at all. And the second one is describing a paediatric cardiac surgery post-op case. They comment, as did I, on the fact that it is rare. And the situation was exactly what I described when I said that cardiac surgery is one area where air has to be evacuated from the system at the time of surgery. Carotid surgery is another.

Neither of those links describes "injecting air" or negates the info I posted. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about.... Both of those situations are ones that I have spent many, many years doing myself.

While I'm more than happy to have "robust" discussions on anything, there would seem to be little point in having verified professionals on here, if their posts - especially ones regarding facts - are not even believed and people then try to "prove" them wrong. I'm not trying to say that everything I may post is never wrong - I post on other aspects of the case that have no more "cred" than anyone else does. But when it comes to posts on facts in my area of expertise, then if someone wants to argue the points, that would seem to be a bit presumptuous. Do you really think I would post something in my area of expertise that I wasn't certain was correct? If you went to see a specialist and they gave you some information - would you argue and try to tell them they were wrong? Again - don't get me wrong - I'm all for inquiring minds and skepticism. But isn't that why I had to prove my credentials before my membership here was approved? Please give me some credit for knowing what I'm talking about.

And let me reiterate - I do believe that GBC is looking more and more like the guilty party, on the evidence we have. And I'm not trying to steer people's thoughts away from that - but just to keep minds open that there COULD - just maybe - be another explanation for the events. Highly unlikely, as I've said - but possible.

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If I see a specialist or a doctor regarding something that I am unsure of myself I get a second opinion. Over the last few years I have dealt with cancer surgery (melanoma) and every specialist and GP including my surgeon and radiation oncologist has been happy for me to have second opinions.and I have learned that the advice differs and you have to in the end trust your gut instinct just like we do on here.

I find specialist and experts who are not open to being questioned and of the view that there 'expert' view needs to be respected often have issues themselves. My fantastic surgeon (who I trust with my life and still see every three months) is the smartest loveliest man and fantastic at his job, but he has an open mind even in his field of expertise (breast cancer and melanoma) as he says research and medical advances are happening so fast that what may have been acceptable as treatment or an option two years ago no longer is. Anyway sorry for the rant and probably a bit OT but I will give credit where credit is due, but will not accept anything just because someone states something. ALL IMO

Fuskier said:

It had crossed my mind before that a hypothetical scenario could have been that Allison was unconscious when put in the car, which travelled up around Rafting road. She woke up unexpectedly, tried to escape, was caught - hence the 2 piercing screams and the third muffled scream. Was she murdered around there? Then placed in the car again? Just further speculation. The unexplained screams still bother me as they were night piercing screams of someone in imminent danger. The screams heard were a female voice.

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Perhaps planning to leave her somewhere else, had started getting her out of the car but before they could do that, were disturbed so just shut the door and moved on?

The bit about the screams really gives me chills!

Curiousasacat said:

Not nice!!!!

I know a lot of people in Ipswich and get tired of the insults re Ipswich.
Personally I like it there and there are winnie red smokers all over Brisbane too.

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I too have friends in and around Ipswich and they're usually the ones telling the funniest stories about the 'bogan' sector of the community


MOO

Fuskier said:

It had crossed my mind before that a hypothetical scenario could have been that Allison was unconscious when put in the car, which travelled up around Rafting road. She woke up unexpectedly, tried to escape, was caught - hence the 2 piercing screams and the third muffled scream. Was she murdered around there? Then placed in the car again? Just further speculation. The unexplained screams still bother me as they were night piercing screams of someone in imminent danger. The screams heard were a female voice.

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Very possible IMO. Also the phone was apparently in this area before it ran out of battery.
Perhaps it was dropped in the area and later picked up when it was remembered? Perhaps someone did call Allisons phone during the night as they were trying to find it to dispose of? ALL IMO

Agent_99 said:

Interestingly, that was a local rumour I heard very early on in the piece & I was surprised it was never posted here!

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Agent 99, it was, back in thread #10
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Originally Posted by Berry View Post
rhb, the QPS have stated that Allison was killed before she was 'dumped', so they knew something happened at their house almost immediately IMO, thus it was an essentially named 'crime scene' to be investigated as 'something' was showing QPS it was bad.

Now what they saw that made it a crime scene could have been one broken window, one hole in a wall, or anything visual like that IMO.

Domestic violence must have been sticking out as a 'biggie' visually with something broken.....it usually does in these cases. JMO

Posted by whatif?
"Somebody from an Aussie forum said there was a strong smell of disinfectant in the house when the police arrived. Maybe just heresay though."

Opinionsgalore said:

If GBC and family were using Facetalk, I also wonder if they were using iMessage. Messages can be sent via wi-fi and 3G and won't show up as standard text messages on a bill.
If there's no record of any calls (besides the FaceTime call) or text messages sent between 10pm and 6am, are there records in Apples DB of iMessages that were sent ?


MOO

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iMessage messages are delivered with Apple's push servers and records are stored on the servers so even if you delete it from the phone, there's still a permanent record (until they delete it off the servers) but they're kept indefinitely as far as i'm aware.

Agent_99 said:

Interestingly, that was a local rumour I heard very early on in the piece & I was surprised it was never posted here!

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Also, the carpet would still be wet!

BJsleuth said:

iMessage messages are delivered with Apple's push servers and records are stored on the servers so even if you delete it from the phone, there's still a permanent record (until they delete it off the servers) but they're kept indefinitely as far as i'm aware.

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Cheers for that


MOO

alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy

Just finished going thru all the reams of documents relating to Baden-Clay case lodged in court. All the details in tomorrow's @couriermail

BJsleuth said:

Oh yeah, I thought of that about the beard hairs but at the moment, i've the attention span of a gnat! I go to google then i've forgotten what I was looking up! lol

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Hey...didn't QPS request a sample of his beard hair? Somewhere around the time of his arrest. At the time this intrigued me.

Then later, another court ordered request to remove the beard. Now this one is clear...they wanted to analyse the so called 'razor' scratches.

So maybe they do have something from under those nails!! :jail:

mouse detective said:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...rted-her-missing/story-e6freoof-1226409480965

According to the affidavit filed by police and referred to in court on Friday, at 6.20am on April 20, 2012, Gerard Baden-Clay sent a text message to his wife Allison's mobile phone saying: "Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G''.

No reply was received from this text message, the court documents say.

The police affidavit says at 6.41am on April 20, Gerard Baden Clay sent another text message to his wife Allison's mobile phone saying: "Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn't say either? ... I'm dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G''.

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If my partner was missing I'd be calling, not texting. Appears he may have wanted these texts to appear on his phone... anticipating a police investigation at some stage? Story there in itself.

Hello everyone,
I might look brand new but I've been here from the beginning avidly lurking, reading every single post and urging the thread on in the rare quiet moments. Like everyone else here, I desperately want answers. It's just so hard to come to terms with something like this happening. I'd be a nutcase with WS, where I find comfort seeing how others think and feel like I do and I'm not alone in my sorrow .

I registered today because of recent posts that refute the rumour that driving past GBC's house and having time to see anything going on in his front yard is unlikely. I strongly disagree. It's not only likely, it's almost unavoidable if you're entering or exiting Boscombe Rd.

I think the posters who suggest that seeing into the property is unlikely as you drive past have forgotten that the entry to GBC's property is at the start of the easement that leads up to Boscombe Road. Therefore, all cars on Brookfield Road that want to enter Boscombe Rd NEED to at least slow down in front of his very house. The same if you are exiting Boscombe Rd onto Brookfield Rd - you need to actually stop to check for traffic - and you stop practically at GBC's gate. Any driver that happened to have been coming out, or going into, Boscombe Rd that night and necessarily stopped or slowed in front of GBC's house would have had time to notice a car parked in front of his stairs (it's likely GBC parked the car with the back to the stairs IMO for easier access and it's also likely he opened all the doors to block visibility from the road to what was going on IMO). There's not much movement after dark in Brookfield and this is precisely what a slowing driver would notice IMO, especially if it happened quite late at night.

The above rumour is also one of the first ones I heard - very early on, when the thought that GBC might have something to do with it was still not the thing you'd say in public - on 25th April when my partner and I were searching our property hoping to find Allison or clues to her disappearance. My partner turned to me even as we peered under lantana bushes and said, "oh, did I mention [someone at his work] has a friend who reported to police seeing (above rumour)?" It was then it really hit me that we'd probably not find Allison alive. After that I waited for the rumour to be mentioned on these pages - and it did, but surprisingly only after a long while. I have tried to register before but this IPad (which has been surgically attached to me for the last 2 months) wouldn't let me, for some reason. Part of me thought it was a good thing that I was not involving myself in WS because I was so emotionally involved as it was. But I couldn't keep quiet any longer.

I'm not saying the driveway sighting is more than a rumour, but I personally believe that if GBC in fact carried Allison down those stairs (I don't think his carport has internal access into the house) and placed her in the car, it would have taken him quite some time, even if he had help. Time enough for any Boscombe Rd resident entering or exiting the easement to have noticed. (Note: The Boscombe Rd I'm referring to is the section leading up to the State Forest, not the section where the local school is.)

Curiousasacat said:

Yes, very interesting article this one!

Another rumour also proven as fact.

Mr Baden-Clay had also told police he and Mrs Baden-Clay had been attending counselling services over his infidelity, which had ceased. He said the counsellor had advised they talk about the infidelity and relationship issues for 15 minute blocks at night.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ill-unknown-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1ywKHGNpN

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Thanks Curiousasacat.....I like facts...lol

regret said:

Happy to lurk...but too frustrated that none of you have speculated the following clincher IMO IMO IMO.

Stubble found under fingernails???? IMO IMO IMO.
All other evidence redundant. IMO IMO IMO.
Scrathced flesh caught under fingernails may decompose and not be forensically evident, but stubble hair doesn't. IMO IMO IMO
Whatever the outcome...Allsion's suffering is over, and those who remain, guilty AND innocent, are in a living hell 24/7. I am just so sorry for all of them - ALL of them. It takes 3 generations of a family for murder to lift its shadow....both the offender's family and the victim's family. They are all worthy of your prayers. And you are too. And I am not God-toting, by the way.

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Thanks great post.
Lots of evidence.
I have said the same before, :woohoo:stubble would be found and it will point directly to the culprit. :maddening:

I have been sick the last few days! Have I missed anything importment? Please and Purty please?

Going to go back and catch up!

Opinionsgalore said:

I too have friends in and around Ipswich and they're usually the ones telling the funniest stories about the 'bogan' sector of the community


MOO

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Yeah it's just getting old hearing jokes about Ipswich.
I thought the same one day a long time ago but having visited and lived there it is a great little city. Your friends who are telling these jokes should perhaps try and stop the stereotyping as the city will never escape these awful things until people do stop.
No my name is not Paul. LOL

Sorry for off topic rant but it really gets my goat.