GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 # 5

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My prayers truly go out to the Giddings family, this monstrosity and absolute senseless crime can now be punished.

My gut feeling all along was that SM was their guy and that they secured him on other charges so they could methodically investigate this horrid crime.

It is eerie to re-watch the news interview with SM, what a sinister and evil monster, to play with emotion and the facade of actual care and concern after committing such a sick and twisted crime.

SM will get everything that is coming to him and his law degree cannot and will not help him, may justice be served!

Yes, SM will go through the legal process that he knows so very well and I firmly believe LE and the FBI do and will have an ample amount of DNA, fiber and other evidence to prove his guilt in a court of law.
 
A quote from the famous prosecutor and author, Vincent Bugliosi: "Circumstantial evidence has erroneously come to be associated in the public mind and vernacular with a weak case. ('Oh, that's just circumstantial evidence.') But nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, most first degree murder cases are based on circumstantial evidence. This is so because other than eye-witness testimony (and in some jurisdictions, a confession), which is direct evidence, all other evidence, even fingerprints and DNA, is circumstantial evidence."
 
Colonel Mustard, how do the online Bar reviews work? Could McD claim that he was going into Lauren's apartment studying her on line tutorials and she caught him?


No, no, no, these were not dorm rooms. These were actual residences. That would be no more acceptable than you going into your neighbor's house without our neighbor's knowledge or permission to use their computer. Lauren and McD did not have that kind of relationship.
 
One of the items they sent to the lab was a rape kit, SOP in cases like this. I wondered if they found his DNA on one of the swabs, but then discarded that idea. LE would have filed charges more quickly if that were the case?

If there was his DNA on one of the swabs from the rape kit, they would need to make a determination whether the rape was before or after her death. The difference would have a tremendous effect on the outcome of the case (or cases) against him.
 
Someone at macon.com had an issue with this, and I asked why.
He said that arrest warrants must be served by an officer who is legally authorized to deliver them, such as a deputy sheriff.
He said Mr. Winters could be present, but he couldn't be the one to actually hand the warrant to McDaniel.

Could one of our lawyers chime in on this?
I saw that too, and while I am not a lawyer, I believe Winters is an "Officer of the court" and allowed to serve the warrant. I think he is really looking at this case as a big deal for him , and it is. I hope we find out a lot at the 2 oclokc news conference, because from the appearance based on what little we do know, and how long it has taken fro FBI results to come back ( I think we are still waiting on them) I have reasonable doubt and it looks like they rushed to charge McD prior to the Aug 4th bond hearing. On the other hand, kind of like like OJ & Casey Anthony, If not McD, then who ?
 
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Tomkat, I have a feeling you are speaking about the jurors in the Anthony case, but every jury is criticized when the outcome is not what some expected. The case of LG would be no exception.

This is something the majority of the public seems to be confused on and if I could go on a nationwide tour to educate the masses, I surely would. Let me clear this up.

Jurors have written instructions to follow on each crime the defendant is accused of. (They can't just sit there like they do in the movies and criticize hair color, style of dress, basic shifty eyes, dislike that someone used the "f" word to their mother, then decide they don't like the person, and convict them. People...that is not how it works. Some need to turn off reality TV and get familiar with their own justice system.)

I'm going to put this in very elementary terms, simplified. (Some of you know this, some of you don't.)

People are upset with jurors in many cases. This wasn't the first, won't be the last, but jurors are NOT to blame. They have to follow the rules given to them, and in the Anthony case, that's what they did. (The State Bar of Florida wrote the rules, fyi.) The public apparently wanted the jurors to NOT follow the law or the rules they were given in deciding this case.

What rules, you ask? Well, here's an example:

CMA was accused of Murder in First Degree, Aggravated Child Abuse, Aggravated Manslaughter, and 4 counts of Providing False Information to a LE Officer.

The jury has a list of these crimes and has to decide what they feel the State has proven to help them answer the questions.

They use their list of questions to guide them.

To prove the crime of First Degree Premeditated Murder, the State must prove the following 3 elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. The death was caused by the criminal act of Casey Marie Anthony.
3. There was a premeditated killing of Caylee Marie Anthony.

The jurors did not know/could not be sure of how Caylee died, so they could not answer YES to #'s 2 or 3. FIRST DEGREE MURDER (premeditated) WAS NO LONGER AN OPTION.

To prove the crime of First Degree Felony Murder, the State must prove the following 3 elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. The death occurred as a consequence of and while Casey Marie Anthony was engaged in the commission of Aggravated Child Abuse
OR
The death occurred as a consequence of and while CMA was attempting to commit Aggravated Child Abuse.
3. Casey Marie Anthony was actually the person who killed Caylee Marie Anthony.
The jurors did not know/could not be sure of how Caylee died, so they could not answer YES to #'s 2 or 3. FIRST DEGREE MURDER (felony) WAS NO LONGER AN OPTION.

and so on....down the list of other crimes she was accused of.

The jury had no idea how Caylee died, so when they were going down the list of answering their questions, their hands were tied by simply NOT KNOWING how the child died. They could not speculate. They could not be willy nilly. They had to use the evidence provided to them and there was nothing that showed them beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused was guilty.

That is how the jurors arrived at their verdict. That one little tricky thing, called HOW DID SHE DIE, kept them from being able to convict on anything to do with murder because they obviously had no clue.

So, as it relates to this case, the ability to know how a person died will most likely be very necessary in the jury process of deciding who caused it, so the police better lock this one down tight before giving their case to the State to prosecute. If they cannot prove enough to rule out any other person in any other way, beyond any reasonable doubt, whomever is eventually accused would walk.



Not sure why we are quoting Florida law here and what the Anthony case has to do with this one but this is a bit misleading if you are attempting to apply it to the facts of this case. In Georgia, if you are committing a felony, say for example a bank robbery, and your partner in crime accidentally shoots and kills the bank teller or an innocent bystander, you too can be charged and convicted of felony murder. It is NOT a requirement that you actually be the shooter. Just being a party to the felony in which a death occurred is enough.
 
Tomkat, what's your source of info on LG's sister entering her apartment on Sunday, June 26th? Where did you read/see/hear that?

It's been my understanding that LG was last seen on Saturday, June 25th.

Landlord went in on Wednesday, June 29th.

A friend was asked to go over there (by LG's sister) on Wednesday.

Friend (LS) entered and noted that landlord had left a note on the door.

Mercer Police were called over around 10 pm on Wednesday night.

Kaitlyn Wheeler, sister of LG, from Maryland, called 911 and a Macon Police Officer Descoteaux was dispatched at approximately 12:52 am

Macon PD SGT Copeland contacted the on call missing persons detective, and Detective Bridger was assigned. Detective Bridger decided NOT TO RESPOND TO THE SCENE. Detective Bridger stated he would just complete a report and follow up later. (I'm still curious about which Mercer Police Officer ( actually a Macon Police Officer) was called to LG's apartment around 10 pm on Wednesday, June 29th, and why it took Kaitlyn Wheeler calling 911 to get more attention to Lauren's unknown whereabouts if that Mercer Police Officer is also Macon Police Officer?

And another thing that is confusing is that Detective Bridger is a Macon Police Officer,(missing persons) but he also works the evening shift at Mercer University and is listed on their website as a campus officer. Did HE go to Lauren's apartment at 10 pm and then was called again after midnight by SGT Copeland? Why did it take a 911 call to the Macon PD to get ANOTHER officer to go out and then when they notified the MERCER evening shift police officer/missing persons detective, he decided to NOT RESPOND? I wish somebody could officially verify what the heck went on with the police out there that night. Did Bridger or any Mercer/Macon Police Officer ever escort Lauren to her apartment from campus, as a courtesy? It says that an escort to/from campus is offered on their website, so I just wondered if she had a personal relationship/friendship with any Macon Police Officer who may have escorted her across the street to her apartment if she ever walked?)

I think there are some people within the Macon PD who are in a lot of trouble over the decisions that were made that night not to investigate further until morning. Just something I've heard from a very reliable source very close to the situation. This case may have moved a lot faster if they had searched that night. Evidence was apparently moved in the interim.
 
I know this is early in the case to bring this up but is the death penalty an option for a felony murder conviction? Does anyone in Macon know if SM's attorney, Buford, is death qualified if it is an option for this crime. Also, does anyone think he would get involved in SM's defense on the murder charge?

I believe he is, but I don't think he would be handling this case by himself if he does it at all. He will probably have a team of lawyers from the capital defender's office assist or take over the case entirely. Sadly, this is the office Lauren was hoping to get a job offer from upon graduating from law school.
 
I believe he is, but I don't think he would be handling this case by himself if he does it at all. He will probably have a team of lawyers from the capital defender's office assist or take over the case entirely. Sadly, this is the office Lauren was hoping to get a job offer from upon graduating from law school.

Having said that before my second cup of coffee this morning, it now occurs to me that depending on where Lauren was with her application/interview process with the capital defender's office, THEY may have to recuse themselves from representing McD if there is a substantial enough connection to create a conflict of interest. Even so, there are plenty of capital offense qualified attorneys out there who could be appointed by the court to represent him.
 
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Tomkat, I have a feeling you are speaking about the jurors in the Anthony case, but every jury is criticized when the outcome is not what some expected. The case of LG would be no exception.

This is something the majority of the public seems to be confused on and if I could go on a nationwide tour to educate the masses, I surely would. Let me clear this up.

Jurors have written instructions to follow on each crime the defendant is accused of. (They can't just sit there like they do in the movies and criticize hair color, style of dress, basic shifty eyes, dislike that someone used the "f" word to their mother, then decide they don't like the person, and convict them. People...that is not how it works. Some need to turn off reality TV and get familiar with their own justice system.)

I'm going to put this in very elementary terms, simplified. (Some of you know this, some of you don't.)

People are upset with jurors in many cases. This wasn't the first, won't be the last, but jurors are NOT to blame. They have to follow the rules given to them, and in the Anthony case, that's what they did. (The State Bar of Florida wrote the rules, fyi.) The public apparently wanted the jurors to NOT follow the law or the rules they were given in deciding this case.

What rules, you ask? Well, here's an example:

CMA was accused of Murder in First Degree, Aggravated Child Abuse, Aggravated Manslaughter, and 4 counts of Providing False Information to a LE Officer.

The jury has a list of these crimes and has to decide what they feel the State has proven to help them answer the questions.

They use their list of questions to guide them.

To prove the crime of First Degree Premeditated Murder, the State must prove the following 3 elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. The death was caused by the criminal act of Casey Marie Anthony.
3. There was a premeditated killing of Caylee Marie Anthony.

The jurors did not know/could not be sure of how Caylee died, so they could not answer YES to #'s 2 or 3. FIRST DEGREE MURDER (premeditated) WAS NO LONGER AN OPTION.

To prove the crime of First Degree Felony Murder, the State must prove the following 3 elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. The death occurred as a consequence of and while Casey Marie Anthony was engaged in the commission of Aggravated Child Abuse
OR
The death occurred as a consequence of and while CMA was attempting to commit Aggravated Child Abuse.
3. Casey Marie Anthony was actually the person who killed Caylee Marie Anthony.

The jurors did not know/could not be sure of how Caylee died, so they could not answer YES to #'s 2 or 3. FIRST DEGREE MURDER (felony) WAS NO LONGER AN OPTION.

and so on....down the list of other crimes she was accused of.

The jury had no idea how Caylee died, so when they were going down the list of answering their questions, their hands were tied by simply NOT KNOWING how the child died. They could not speculate. They could not be willy nilly. They had to use the evidence provided to them and there was nothing that showed them beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused was guilty.

That is how the jurors arrived at their verdict. That one little tricky thing, called HOW DID SHE DIE, kept them from being able to convict on anything to do with murder because they obviously had no clue.

So, as it relates to this case, the ability to know how a person died will most likely be very necessary in the jury process of deciding who caused it, so the police better lock this one down tight before giving their case to the State to prosecute. If they cannot prove enough to rule out any other person in any other way, beyond any reasonable doubt, whomever is eventually accused would walk.

I"VE HEARD IT ALL, I'm no expert........bottom line is, it's a tragedy.......we do hope there arent' more like that. I dont' need your lectures, it's done........IT'S A TRAGEDY AND I HOPE THIS DOESNT' TURN OUT THE SAME WAY, they wont' know how this girl died either, the head is missing........but she was dismembered and that's DISGUSTING that someone can get away with that and throwing little Caylee away like TRASH. America gone Hell in a handbasket if you ask me. <Modsnip> Justice was not served. PERIOD
 
a jury does not have to be given or know a cause of death or how the victim died.. That is absolutely wrong and had zilch to do with anything!! It happens daily that murderers are convicted and sentenced to death without the jury ever knowing a cause of death or even a theory of how the victim died..
Scott peterson.. Guilty and on death row and the jury was never given how laci died!! Laci's torso and thigh were all that were recovered of her..

That's breaking it down real plain and simple.. The fact is there is no cause of death, how the victim was murdered.. Necessary!!

thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Proving an intent to commit burglary for McD will not be hard, given previous events.

I wonder if the DA is going for the "thieving almost-lawyer caught in the act" scenario. Stephen was using his key to go through Lauren's apartment to try and steal more trophies/condoms, when Lauren got home and interrupted him. Realizing that his legal career is DOA with a burglary charge, he kills her to keep her from speaking.

I don't believe it for a second, but that would be a pretty reasonable scenario to try and prove.

I might be way off base with this but it could be that McD didn't go into the apartments to steal. He might have gone through the apartments to leave something.

Didn't someone say they had both his computer and Lauren's. Suppose he had very small hidden camera's in the apartments so he could watch people.

Maybe he was in her apartment getting the camera's and she came home.
This was done to someone I know and the camera's were so small you couldn't see them. They were actually hidden in her picture frames, clock radio, and a lot of other places. The man could see everything on his computer.

I'm probably wrong but that entered my mind when you talked about him having a master key and going into other apartments. He might have them in more than her apartment.
 
I might be way off base with this but it could be that McD didn't go into the apartments to steal. He might have gone through the apartments to leave something.

Didn't someone say they had both his computer and Lauren's. Suppose he had very small hidden camera's in the apartments so he could watch people.

Maybe he was in her apartment getting the camera's and she came home.
This was done to someone I know and the camera's were so small you couldn't see them. They were actually hidden in her picture frames, clock radio, and a lot of other places. The man could see everything on his computer.

I'm probably wrong but that entered my mind when you talked about him having a master key and going into other apartments. He might have them in more than her apartment.

So he killed her AND DISMEMBERED HER..............Well LE should know by now about the computer.,my guess, if that were the case, didnt' LE take the computers too?

We really dont' know yet what evidence they have that caused LE to charge him with felony murder, do we?
 
If SM has any compassion in him (which I seriously doubt due to the horrific nature of this crime), I hope he quickly tells LE the location of the rest of the body. Since Lauren and her family are very religious, I know her family wants to give her a proper Catholic burial. Although cremation is permitted, Catholic teaching continues to stress the preference for burial or entombment of the body of the deceased. This is done in imitation of the burial of Jesus&#8217; body.

Being Catholic myself, this is very important and I think it will bring some peace to her family.
 
Not sure why we are quoting Florida law here and what the Anthony case has to do with this one but this is a bit misleading if you are attempting to apply it to the facts of this case. In Georgia, if you are committing a felony, say for example a bank robbery, and your partner in crime accidentally shoots and kills the bank teller or an innocent bystander, you too can be charged and convicted of felony murder. It is NOT a requirement that you actually be the shooter. Just being a party to the felony in which a death occurred is enough.

I think you've keyed in on the importance of the felony murder charge. It could have been an accident and they can still get their murder case (as long as LG died as a result of a felony committed by McD).
 
If SM has any compassion in him (which I seriously doubt due to the horrific nature of this crime), I hope he quickly tells LE the location of the rest of the body. Since Lauren and her family are very religious, I know her family wants to give her a proper Catholic burial. Although cremation is permitted, Catholic teaching continues to stress the preference for burial or entombment of the body of the deceased. This is done in imitation of the burial of Jesus’ body.

Being Catholic myself, this is very important and I think it will bring some peace to her family.


BEING HUMAN myself, I CONCUR.
 
So he killed her AND DISMEMBERED HER..............Well LE should know by now about the computer.,my guess, if that were the case, didnt' LE take the computers too?

We really dont' know yet what evidence they have that caused LE to charge him with felony murder, do we?

Sorry. I wasn't very clear. No my friend wasn't killed over it. But if you meant Lauren. Think how bad it would be for him if anyone knew what he was doing....if he did do that. Probably as bad or worse than burglary. imo
 
I can't get on macon.com anymore. It keeps telling me to sign in? Anyone else having this issue? My Mom just called and said she heard there was going to be something on their local news around 10 this morning.
 
I can't get on macon.com anymore. It keeps telling me to sign in? Anyone else having this issue? My Mom just called and said she heard there was going to be something on their local news around 10 this morning.

I had that problem and asked here. I got various pieces of advice. The one that worked for me was to clear my browser cache. Good luck!
 
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