Pedophile Ring Investigation by FBI and US Postal Service

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Linda7NJ

Maybe it was common. In this day and age, it's just plain stupid and dangerous, and not just for the children. A false allegation could ruin someone's entire life. Any adult willing to put themselves in such a situation, I have serious concerns about. I believe they are either an idiot or a pedophile...either way...me & mine are steering clear!

Well, so could running out of the shower naked when an 11 year old walks in.

Public showers are like public restrooms. Sure something could happen, but many times, I've been in a public rest room and small boy will be walking in.

[Twindad]

How many of the other coaches at Penn State were showering with boys except for the ones Sandusky brought in? None? How many parents were dropping their children off at Penn State for activities which included showering before or after in that building? None?
People may not think it's wrong, but how many others were actually doing it? You guessed it..... NONE.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Twindad

How many of the other coaches at Penn State were showering with boys except for the ones Sandusky brought in? None? How many parents were dropping their children off at Penn State for activities which included showering before or after in that building? None?
People may not think it's wrong, but how many others were actually doing it? You guessed it..... NONE.

From what I've heard, it was uncommon, but it did happen. Several of the witnesses testified that they had brought their children in the to shower with them. I've also seen media reports indicating that others did. One is on page 93 ff., here: http://www.co.centre.pa.us/media/upl...61812%20JT.pdf See also page 124, ff.

Now, none of the hugged a child in a shower, or had physical contact in a shower. And none of them brought an unrelated child in with him.

These types of showers are relatively public and an analogy is a public restroom. When I have to, I use a public restroom and, yes, young boys will come in and also use it while I'm using it. Am I supposed to stop if one does, and go running out of the room? Is he suppose to wait until he sees all the adults exit?

Just showering isn't too strange and would not have raised any red flags. It was a lot more, even with the victims that were not raped.

[Twindad]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...coaches_t.html

"McGettigan, on cross-examination of the coaches, also pointed out in his questioning that neither man invited any young boys to shower with them. Their experiences were in groups, not one on one."

"Booker T. Brooks, a former receivers and tight ends coach who left Penn State to coach at Oregon State, said he takes showers at the YMCA with his young granddaughter."

Group showers at the local "Y" is a lot different than one on one showering at Penn State.

"Richard “Dick” Anderson, a former Nittany Lions offensive line coach, said he would consider sharing a hotel room with a young boy if it was for the child’s emotional benefit."

Maybe Mr. Anderson has become a person of interest in the investigation.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Twindad

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...coaches_t.html

"McGettigan, on cross-examination of the coaches, also pointed out in his questioning that neither man invited any young boys to shower with them. Their experiences were in groups, not one on one."

"Booker T. Brooks, a former receivers and tight ends coach who left Penn State to coach at Oregon State, said he takes showers at the YMCA with his young granddaughter."

Group showers at the local "Y" is a lot different than one on one showering at Penn State.

"Richard “Dick” Anderson, a former Nittany Lions offensive line coach, said he would consider sharing a hotel room with a young boy if it was for the child’s emotional benefit."

Maybe Mr. Anderson has become a person of interest in the investigation.

Even sharing a room may not be too unusual.

I think the idea of being in a public shower is not unusual, and may be common. It becomes less common when:

A. The adult suggests it.

B. There are no others around.

To me, it crosses the line when there is touching in the shower.

[azwriter]

Originally Posted by believe09

I wont speak for JJ, but I dont think that is what he is saying at all. Sandusky wasnt very relevant to PSU football in 2001. So WHY did the complaints get covered up? Why not hang him out to dry?

Great question believe09. We can't see, or haven't seen the side where Jerry needed special care from the University and Second Mile, because he could be the loose cannon who would tell all, and name names. If that side exsists.

My question from the start has and always will be why, why, why was Jerry able to continue his sexual involvement with boys? Who or what was really being protected or hidden?

His departure from his position with Penn State was a nice retirement package. I question that decision by officials.

jm O.

[azwriter]

Originally Posted by shefner

I'll tell you guys up front that I haven't read every post of this thread. But I will tell you that showering with an 11 year old boy shouldn't EVER happen if you are an adult, even a parent. This is appropriate and most every adult I know would back away from this situation.

But...Jerry was teaching them good shower hygene. Now that is a really stupid excuse for his presence in the shower with younger boys.

jmo

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by azwriter

But...Jerry was teaching them good shower hygene. Now that is a really stupid excuse for his presence in the shower with younger boys.

jmo

Well, if he had working out with a group of boys and they all went to shower afterward, I would not think this was strange. It's the physical contact that becomes a problem.

[Twindad]

Gothic indeed.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Twindad

Gothic indeed.

And quite common. I just had a message from someone, admittedly a Paterno fan, who said that I shouldn't talk about 1998, because men of all ages shower together all the time.

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila

And quite common. I just had a message from someone, admittedly a Paterno fan, who said that I shouldn't talk about 1998, because men of all ages shower together all the time.

Did that person indicate that he/she includes 11-year-old boys in the definition of "men of all ages"?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche

Did that person indicate that he/she includes 11-year-old boys in the definition of "men of all ages"?

I'm fairly certain that when I was 11-12, I was in the shower after gym class with men over 18. I am fairly certain that my gym teachers saw me naked either entering or leaving the shower. I am certain that there was never any physical contact.

I really couldn't tell you if, when showering after gym class in college, if a boy 11-12 years old came in. I wasn't paying attention.