Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

Friday said:

I know what I'm trying to say, but not quite how to say it, but here goes: As high water receeds, debris doesn't usually float back whence it came and settle there. Instead, it tends to accummulate, esp. where there's some sort of obstruction like vines, or a larger piece of debris.

I have no opinion as to how the syringe, et al, came to be near Caylee's remains, or if there's any relevance to the items. Just tryin' to answer your question.

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QuietStorm said:

Thank you, but the link is already in my original post.

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The Eunice Burns said:

Someone who wanted a memento of his major role in this case. MO is that Kronk is an odd character in this unending list of odd characters connected to this case, but I don't think he had anything to do w/ Caylee's death or the disposal of her remains. I think he put some thoughts together and went on a mission......and sometimes I wish it had been a more "average Joe" citizen who had found Caylee.

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Valhall said:

That's what I figured, so I am looking at the right document. Thanks for clarifying that.

Now, look at page 12,332 - no DNA detected in 238 or 240.1

12365 and 12375 have nothing to do with 238 or 240.1

12355 has nothing to do with 238 or 240.1. It concerns Q304 - swabs taken from the handle of a comb found in the backpack.

So...I guess whatever you think you found, isn't there. Because now I've read this part three times...and it's just not there. There were no allele returns, no amelogenin returns, nothing on the DNA tests for either 238 or 240.1

P.S. But thanks for helping me correct an error in my notes. I had Q240 as the disney bag instead of the "syringe bag".

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Valhall said:

That's what I figured, so I am looking at the right document. Thanks for clarifying that.

Now, look at page 12,332 - no DNA detected in 238.1 or 240.1.1.

12365 and 12375 have nothing to do with 238.1 or 240.1.1.

12355 has nothing to do with 238.1 or 240.1.1. It concerns Q304 - swabs taken from the handle of a comb found in the backpack.

So...I guess whatever you think you found, isn't there. Because now I've read this part three times...and it's just not there. There were no allele returns, no amelogenin returns, nothing on the DNA tests for either 238.1 or 240.1.1.

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QuietStorm said:

Page 12330 says Q238.1 was used for amplification.

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Valhall said:

I actually think there is NO connection between the bottle, the syringe and Caylee. Just to be clear.

I was positing the potential cleaner as the source of the Terpenes in the bottle to remain open minded that there MAY be a connection.

I still don't think there is.

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Valhall said:

Well, considering I've read the whole document twice now and can't find where it states there was DNA in the bottle, I'm guessing you're reading a document I'm not reading.

So I'll respectfully request a link so that I can get on the right page...and the right document.

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TakeNote said:

if im reading what quitestorm said....its 238.1 ....not 238....

im still trying to open up the file.....not sure if i will know what im looking at...but im trying

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Baxter said:

Did you look at these documents? They are the DNA results of the items in the pontiac and the gatorade bottle.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15087491/DNA-Reports-on-Pontiac-Items-Gatorade-Bottle

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Hot Dogs said:

If KC used the syringe to fatally inject Caylee, and then put it inside a plastic bottle which then is put into a Disney bag... why on earth would you leave all of that sitting next to the body? It doesn't make any sense. Your fingerprints and DNA are all over that stuff. Why wouldn't you simply discard the Disney bag with the killing gear somewhere on the other side of town?

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Valhall said:

The DNA test was done on 238. The swab from 238 was labeled 238-1.

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magic-cat said:

It's like rain on your wedding day!

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USARDOG said:

Interesting perspective. Chloroform is not something that would be commonly found on a syringe. "Uppers, downers, some kind of narcotic, but not chloroform. To find it in close proximity to the body, to find high concentrations in kc's car, and to find internet searches on her computer about how to make it.... Sure looks like a smoking gun to me.

I have a friend who is getting older and has various problems, one of the things his doctor is treating him with is Testosterone. Makes me wonder right away if someone in the A's house is also being treated with testosterone, which could be the sorce of the syringe and traces of testosterone.

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Valhall said:

Of course it was. You have to perform the PCR amplification whether you know you've got something or not. In this case, they didn't.

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TakeNote said:

oh QuiteStorm.......if its true that caylee and kc dna is in that bottle or on it......that would link kc to the crime scene!!!!!

i was so afraid as i was reading your post....that it was going to turn up to be someone other then kc.....and that would have given defense team someone to throw under the bus......im not going to name a name.....but we all know who.....

great job!!!

i missed you!!

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Valhall said:

Thanks! I had not seen this. The best I could find was the narratives in the incident reports filed by the various LE who worked the crime scene. Would you happen to have a link to the doc it came from so that I can read everything that was with this table?

Thank you again!

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