NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #21

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I always thought that as well until SK told GW that he could go back if he needed to. So if it was an appointment, it either wasn't important, or he was having second thoughts about it, hence that is why he was procrastinating getting out of the car.

You're totally right. And along that same sort of thinking, maybe it wasn't something he had to do that particular day? Maybe he was just using the rest of his weekend to get an errand out of the way? I don't know...

RubyRed said:
I have always felt, if this same situation was a woman, it would have been treated totally different.

I have never looked at this this way, but this is such a great point. Maybe someone else can point to an example, but I can't think of a female "walkaway" case that is nearly two years old and hasn't turned into a criminal investigation. When a female goes missing like this, no stone goes unturned. You cannot say the same for this case.
 
Maybe. It's just as valid a theory as any others.

local police may be too busy with criminals that are present to spend on theories about an adult male that isn't.



As I've said before, if I were dumping a car, I wouldn't pick an upper-middle class neighborhood. There are plenty of places to dump your car in LV where it wouldn't go noticed for weeks. Further, the distance that neighborhood is from anything a non-resident would frequent also makes me curious. Finally, if he was meeting someone and looking to escape his life, I suspect that person would pick a less conspicuous location.

Why would he care where he abandoned it? Why does he care if it's *found* in 24 hours or 24 months? I know I tend to bias stuff toward my opinion but I am open to being influenced by anything compelling enough to change it.

Just like Bill Murray in Stripes when they go to enlist and leave for the Army (in the movie they abridge the real process)the shopkeeper comes out and yells at him saying he can't park the car on the sidewalk, to which Bill Murray replies "I'm not parking it, I'm abandoning it."



I don't follow -- where was he going at the time?

I have no idea. Answer that question and we'll be a lot closer to unraveling this mystery. Wherever he was going, it involved stopping and exiting his car to go somewhere in that area. We both agree it's a little too far off the beaten path for him to have randomly stopped there.


We know Steven's name, which is much more than some of the residents.

From LE's perspective why would we need to know who all the occupants of all the homes were? It's not a crime to disappear. It's usually, however, a crime if a person is *disappeared*, but there's no evidence of that.
 
local police may be too busy with criminals that are present to spend on theories about an adult male that isn't.





Why would he care where he abandoned it? Why does he care if it's *found* in 24 hours or 24 months? I know I tend to bias stuff toward my opinion but I am open to being influenced by anything compelling enough to change it.

Just like Bill Murray in Stripes when they go to enlist and leave for the Army (in the movie they abridge the real process)the shopkeeper comes out and yells at him saying he can't park the car on the sidewalk, to which Bill Murray replies "I'm not parking it, I'm abandoning it."





I have no idea. Answer that question and we'll be a lot closer to unraveling this mystery. Wherever he was going, it involved stopping and exiting his car to go somewhere in that area. We both agree it's a little too far off the beaten path for him to have randomly stopped there.




From LE's perspective why would we need to know who all the occupants of all the homes were? It's not a crime to disappear. It's usually, however, a crime if a person is *disappeared*, but there's no evidence of that.

bbm

The car sat for three days, before the Koecher's were notified. When they arrived where the car was they were the first ones in it. I'm not saying they did anything wrong, and we now know from the video, no one else was around it at the time. I just think it should have been looked into more and I don't think it would have hurt to have tracking dogs follow Steven's scent.

A PI did canvass the neighborhood, no one saw anything. But who is going to say they did if they were involved. Maybe he was there seeing one of the homeowners son or grandson and they weren't even home at the time, so wouldn't have a clue.

This news article gives excellent detail on Steven's travels leading up to when he went missing. It is strange that someone who was having a hard time paying rent would travel about 1200 miles in three days.

I think Steven unknowingly got involved in something illegal and then it was too late......

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/11852528/where-is-steven-koecher

jmo
 
This has been on my mind lately. I can't help but think that if he had lived and went missing in Nevada or lived and went missing in Utah his case may be handled differently, but since he was in and out of both states it is maybe harder to get either state to take on the "burden' of this case, kwim? I really don't think Nevada is doing much of anything with it and since he went missing in Nevada rather than Utah, I'm not sure Utah could do much.
Anyway, he could have met anyone/ lots of people while washing windows, I wonder if someone went through and talked to the people who's houses he worked (washing windows) and asked if they had any conversations with him in the month or so prior to his disappearance if that would trigger the memory of anyone, something they may have said or put him up to. I wish there was a receipt, cell phone record or something also to give an idea why he left abruptly on December 7. That seems like the starting point of all the strange behavior and travel in the week before he went missing. He must have been under a lot of stress with the rent situation. I wonder if going to ruby valley started out as taking a drive and then he decided to drop in on the parents of AN since he was already that direction. It doesn't surprise me he didn't see his family on that trip. His parents being called by the land lord and must have been even more stressful since they now knew how deep things were getting with his financial situation. I don't think he was ready to face them yet. By friday the 11th he was described as being up beat which makes me wonder if the trip to ruby valley was pivotal to his financial situation. Makes me think something happened on the 7th when he left abruptly. Something happened in or on the way to ruby valley to change his poor situation into something he could be upbeat about. I don't know how vegas fits in....
I'm sure much of this has been hashed over before so forgive my thinking out loud....
 
more thinking out loud. Speaks to his dad on the 9th, hangs up on dad (I assume this is out of character since he is so often described as polite and nice) and within a matter of hours is on his way on a road trip. I was just playing with yahoo maps and going from st george to salt lake to west wendover to ruby valley is not a direct route at all. According to yahoo it is 663.59 miles and 11hrs 48 mins. If you take out SLC and west wendover then it is 334 miles and 7 hrs 27 minutes. Another thing to make you wonder about. Why waste the extra time and gas money going more than 300 miles out of the way unless the point of the trip was to head towards salt lake for some reason. The receipts do not support 334 mile route, but most people choose the most direct route when they want to get somewhere. What was in Wendover or ruby valley? Also how in the world did anyone make a 1100 mile trip on what seems like no sleep at all in such a short period of time....
 
last one from me for the night, but since on his find steven facebook page people keep bring up talking to a psychic, it crossed my mind, I wonder if there would be any value in discussing his going missing with a psychologist. Could the stress he was under trigger something that would send him on such a road trip to see AN (who believe was described before as a former girlfriend?) Logic says he knew AN would not be at her parents house because she was away at school but he showed up anyways looking for her, is that logical? I don't know about his behavior after this point, but if anything else if the stress of being behind on rent, his parents finding out, him hanging up on dad etc could trigger something from a psychological point of view then it may be more comforting for the family to think that whatever was going on that last week with his odd behavior had to do with him not being in his right mind rather then him possibly being involved in something illegal. (not to discount that possibility at all) but I thought this might be a fresh take on things....
 
local police may be too busy with criminals that are present to spend on theories about an adult male that isn't.

They are busy, but isn't investigating theories an inherent part of police work?

Why would he care where he abandoned it? Why does he care if it's *found* in 24 hours or 24 months? I know I tend to bias stuff toward my opinion but I am open to being influenced by anything compelling enough to change it.

If you're abandoning your life, I assume you want an amount of time to pass before someone picks up your tracks. Dumping your car in an old folks neighborhood is conspicuous.

I have no idea. Answer that question and we'll be a lot closer to unraveling this mystery. Wherever he was going, it involved stopping and exiting his car to go somewhere in that area. We both agree it's a little too far off the beaten path for him to have randomly stopped there.

Agreed. No idea why he was there. But if we assume he walked away from that neighborhood, I think he had to have help. There's just no evidence that he talked to anyone outside his normal circle, which is another reason I think the PD needs to re-examine the people he was associated with.

From LE's perspective why would we need to know who all the occupants of all the homes were? It's not a crime to disappear. It's usually, however, a crime if a person is *disappeared*, but there's no evidence of that.

Why? What if there is someone with a violent criminal record in that neighborhood? Would that change the investigation? What if there is someone in the neighborhood related to his boss or roomie or best friend?

You're right, it's not a crime to disappear, but MP cases allow police to investigate until the person if found safe. If that person doesn't want contact, they close the case. But if it leads elsewhere, then they aren't two years behind playing catch-up...
 
They are busy, but isn't investigating theories an inherent part of police work?

One would hope. I believe after a certain amount of time had passed and LE was able to put together a profile of Steven, they might assume that something was not right.

If you're abandoning your life, I assume you want an amount of time to pass before someone picks up your tracks. Dumping your car in an old folks neighborhood is conspicuous.

I totally agree. After having been to that neighborhood several times, it's shocking to me that the car was left as long as it was. There are literally thousands of other locations in Vegas and Henderson where it could have gone unnoticed for weeks, if not months.

Agreed. No idea why he was there. But if we assume he walked away from that neighborhood, I think he had to have help. There's just no evidence that he talked to anyone outside his normal circle, which is another reason I think the PD needs to re-examine the people he was associated with.

Even at that, why would anyone choose THAT neighborhood to meet up and take off?

Why? What if there is someone with a violent criminal record in that neighborhood? Would that change the investigation? What if there is someone in the neighborhood related to his boss or roomie or best friend?

Or landlord. Then again it's possible the person with the violent history was not actually KNOWN to be living in that neighborhood. Like, a grandchild or niece/nephew or family friend of one of the residents. Someone who has moved on. That's my fear.

You're right, it's not a crime to disappear, but MP cases allow police to investigate until the person if found safe. If that person doesn't want contact, they close the case. But if it leads elsewhere, then they aren't two years behind playing catch-up...

I once was a firm believer that Steven did just walk away. I don't feel that way today and I don't understand how LE could either. I do believe any true investigative efforts would lead elsewhere and would ultimately prove that Steven was harmed and that his killer is running around free as a bird.
 
BTW - so great to "see" you RubyRed and Sin City. Sorry we are no further than when y'all were last here! :(
 
They are busy, but isn't investigating theories an inherent part of police work?

Sure, when there's a crime. At this point, to paraphrase Stalin,: "No Man, No problem".



If you're abandoning your life, I assume you want an amount of time to pass before someone picks up your tracks. Dumping your car in an old folks neighborhood is conspicuous.

Only if someone can read the mind of the person who parked it. Otherwise for all people know is there's been a white car parked in front of my place for X days now.



Agreed. No idea why he was there. But if we assume he walked away from that neighborhood, I think he had to have help. There's just no evidence that he talked to anyone outside his normal circle, which is another reason I think the PD needs to re-examine the people he was associated with.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like SK might have been able to compartmentalize his various circles or to put it more intriguingly, have associations/interests his family/friends weren't aware of. I'd be willing to bet that no one in his regular family/friends have any clue whom he was meeting.



Why? What if there is someone with a violent criminal record in that neighborhood? Would that change the investigation? What if there is someone in the neighborhood related to his boss or roomie or best friend?

Do we know that LE hasn't already looked into all this?

You're right, it's not a crime to disappear, but MP cases allow police to investigate until the person if found safe. If that person doesn't want contact, they close the case. But if it leads elsewhere, then they aren't two years behind playing catch-up...

I would imagine that depends on the availability of resources at the time. That's why I'm having an RFID radio embedded in my son...

/just kidding
 
Sure, when there's a crime. At this point, to paraphrase Stalin,: "No Man, No problem".

I guess we're kind of going around in circles on this one. I think when you determine someone is a walkaway right off the bat, and they still haven't been heard from in almost two years, you might be interested in taking another approach.

Las Vegas PD has a detective dedicated strictly to finding and clearing these cases. Some are found alive, some are found dead. But none of these families would have answers without this lone detective spending his time finding people. Should we just treat every adult who disappears without a trace as a walkaway and then forget about them? Crimes are found through investigation. Families get closure through investigation. Questions are answered...

Only if someone can read the mind of the person who parked it. Otherwise for all people know is there's been a white car parked in front of my place for X days now.

Exactly. That's against the rules in this neighborhood, and most HOA controlled neighborhoods in Las Vegas. Parking on the street would draw attention. In another neighborhood, perhaps in downtown LV, it wouldn't. That's all I'm saying.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like SK might have been able to compartmentalize his various circles or to put it more intriguingly, have associations/interests his family/friends weren't aware of. I'd be willing to bet that no one in his regular family/friends have any clue whom he was meeting.

I disagree. There's just no evidence of that.

Do we know that LE hasn't already looked into all this?

Based on the fact that I sent LE something regarding this case that was apparently news to them, I question how deep the investigation has gone.

I would imagine that depends on the availability of resources at the time. That's why I'm having an RFID radio embedded in my son...

I'm currently lobbying for RFID to be implanted into every newborn. :crazy:
 
I guess we're kind of going around in circles on this one. I think when you determine someone is a walkaway right off the bat, and they still haven't been heard from in almost two years, you might be interested in taking another approach.

Las Vegas PD has a detective dedicated strictly to finding and clearing these cases. Some are found alive, some are found dead. But none of these families would have answers without this lone detective spending his time finding people. Should we just treat every adult who disappears without a trace as a walkaway and then forget about them? Crimes are found through investigation. Families get closure through investigation. Questions are answered...

Indeed (again).

Exactly. That's against the rules in this neighborhood, and most HOA controlled neighborhoods in Las Vegas. Parking on the street would draw attention. In another neighborhood, perhaps in downtown LV, it wouldn't. That's all I'm saying.

True - not to mention many, many neighborhoods around the city, as well as casinos/resorts, shopping centers, etc. IIRC, last year they found the remains of a fellow in Red Rock Canyon whose car went unnoticed in the parking area of the Silverton Casino for many months.

Then again, it has been argued that Steven wanted his car to be found ASAP.

I disagree. There's just no evidence of that.

So true. No evidence, whatsoever.

Based on the fact that I sent LE something regarding this case that was apparently news to them, I question how deep the investigation has gone.

Sadly, again true. They seem to have focused entirely on looking for evidence pointing to someone no one knew Steven knew. As opposed to those he did know. Doesn't LE usually look at those closest to the missing or deceased? I don't believe they have done that in this case.

I'm currently lobbying for RFID to be implanted into every newborn. :crazy:

Don't see this ever happening, but I WISH!
 
more thinking out loud. Speaks to his dad on the 9th, hangs up on dad (I assume this is out of character since he is so often described as polite and nice) and within a matter of hours is on his way on a road trip. I was just playing with yahoo maps and going from st george to salt lake to west wendover to ruby valley is not a direct route at all. According to yahoo it is 663.59 miles and 11hrs 48 mins. If you take out SLC and west wendover then it is 334 miles and 7 hrs 27 minutes. Another thing to make you wonder about. Why waste the extra time and gas money going more than 300 miles out of the way unless the point of the trip was to head towards salt lake for some reason. The receipts do not support 334 mile route, but most people choose the most direct route when they want to get somewhere. What was in Wendover or ruby valley? Also how in the world did anyone make a 1100 mile trip on what seems like no sleep at all in such a short period of time....

IICR, that trip seems to have started at the END of the day, as well. My husband has driven 1200 miles in one day, but he started early in the morning and was exhausted by the end of it. I know that we don't have any actual evidence of this, but it seems to me likely that there IS a component of SK's life that his family/close friends didn't know about -perhaps a friend or potential business partner, whatever- and that is why this is such a mystery. His manic traveling really wasn't manic -he had a driving partner, and he was going to meet someone in SCA, either the driving partner or someone connected to that part of his life that, for whatever reason, wasn't known to the others. Again, it's hard to follow something like this because of the very fact that that person(s) aren't known, but I just wonder if it explains some things. From what I understand about SK, I do think that it's certainly possible that he had "other people", "another person", etc. in his life that he didn't tell the others about. It needn't indicate anything nefarious, only that he had several, distinct, areas of his life which didn't overlap. If we think about it, many of us do, I think, especially when we are adult singles, living away from family and friends. Nothing nefarious; simply part of life.

I also know that there seem to be some questions surrounding those people who we all know about, but not having anything more to go on with regard to these people, I'm just starting to consider different possibilities. I know, I know, no evidence to follow, no suggestion in his computer, phone records, etc., but we also know he used the library (which computers can't be checked) and also there is that very long driving expedition, which doesn't seem to leave any reasonable amount of time for sleeping. Any thoughts?
 
Haven't posted here in ages,but I do read. Everyone here is so dedicated, it's great... IMO the one unusual thing about SK is that he is bilingual in Brazilian Portugese. It's not a language well known to most Americans, and it sets him apart, MOO. I'm thinking that his disappearance is somehow connected to a person or persons he met in the Brazilian immigrant community in and around Vegas.

The Brazilian immigrant community in Vegas and Nevada has grown exponentially in this last decade.So much so that the Brazilian government has opened a Consular office in Vegas. Brazilian immigrants work both in the city and as farm workers in small towns in the state ; a lot depends on their immigration status, this seems to dictate what they do for a living...

It looks to be a very tight knit community, and if anyone had seen SK,or knew what happened to him, I'm not sure they would be forthcoming... MOO

I'm not at all downgrading Brazilians or immigrants, it is a theory, and MOO...
 
Haven't posted here in ages,but I do read. Everyone here is so dedicated, it's great... IMO the one unusual thing about SK is that he is bilingual in Brazilian Portugese. It's not a language well known to most Americans, and it sets him apart, MOO. I'm thinking that his disappearance is somehow connected to a person or persons he met in the Brazilian immigrant community in and around Vegas.

The Brazilian immigrant community in Vegas and Nevada has grown exponentially in this last decade.So much so that the Brazilian government has opened a Consular office in Vegas. Brazilian immigrants work both in the city and as farm workers in small towns in the state ; a lot depends on their immigration status, this seems to dictate what they do for a living...

It looks to be a very tight knit community, and if anyone had seen SK,or knew what happened to him, I'm not sure they would be forthcoming... MOO

I'm not at all downgrading Brazilians or immigrants, it is a theory, and MOO...

I don't know if these means anything, but this comment prompted this thought: My husband is fluent in Brazilian Portuguese and, consequently, gets along very well in Spanish. He talks to Mexicans and Puerto Ricans all the time and could do quite well, I think, living around only Spanish speakers (although, I'm sure he makes many, many language mistakes; nonetheless, it's amazing how well he's able to communicate with Spanish speakers, knowing only Portuguese.) Hmmmm.

-And, another note: Anyone notice how many Brazilians have emmigrated to the US in recent years? I'll bet the Las Vegas area is FULL of Spanish/Portuguese speakers.
 
And, another note: Anyone notice how many Brazilians have emmigrated to the US in recent years? I'll bet the Las Vegas area is FULL of Spanish/Portuguese speakers.

A few Brazilian, give or take? :floorlaugh:
 
A few Brazilian, give or take? :floorlaugh:

Hehehehe..... Very clever!

Truly, though, rather than just looking at the possibility of Sk absconding to Brazil or something, the comment about his being bilingual does bring up the notion that he certainly would fit into any latin based language speaking community quite easily. He's fluent with both a latin-based language and culture as well. Still don't know, though. The more time passes the more I'm inclined to believe foul play.
 
Hehehehe..... Very clever!

Truly, though, rather than just looking at the possibility of Sk absconding to Brazil or something, the comment about his being bilingual does bring up the notion that he certainly would fit into any latin based language speaking community quite easily. He's fluent with both a latin-based language and culture as well. Still don't know, though. The more time passes the more I'm inclined to believe foul play.

I never thought SK had gone to Brazil. I think he may have become involved with a person,or persons from the Brazilian community in and around Vegas. IMO Foul play is a very real possibility. MOO
 
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