Statement Analysis & Related Info

kant · Mar 29, 2009

Below is a link to the police report. Scroll down to "Additional Info" and see the 3rd paragraph where Misty tells the officer that:

....she got up to get a drink

...noticed Haleigh was gone,

...went to look for Haleigh and then noticed the door was open.

How many versions are there now?

Police Report Link

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
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SeriouslySearching · Mar 29, 2009

Quiche said:
Are we to assume a corded telephone in this situation? And they both had a phone if we are to believe their story...The whole thing stinks to high heaven imo.

No. I think they were both on cell phones, imo. Wouldn't the question from dispatch indicate it was not a landline as the address would automatically come up there? 911 asked for the "numerical" which was ridiculous, too. Most dispatchers would ask for the address not the "numerical". As a matter of fact, I have never heard 911not simply ask for the address.

You can't call for additional help if you are tied up in a call to 911 which is evidently what they did do by calling TN and others.

kant · Mar 29, 2009

SeriouslySearching said:
I would not have stayed on the call with them in that situation either. I would have been looking for Haleigh and calling neighbors, family, others to come help, too. I guess it is why I don't consider it a big deal.

I agree that dispatch wasn't going to be immediate help especially since it would take much longer for a deputy to arrive in a country type setting.

The need to start looking was immediate and my response would not have been much different.

I can see the urgency and desire to get them off the phone.

{bolding mine) I agree, Seriously Searching, that there is urgency and panic in a missing child situation.

However, I don't see the need for Ron cursing the 911 operator and hanging up on them. His termininating the call could be easily accomplished by a simply "thanks; bye" or just "good bye" click - without the cursing name-calling and hanging up in someone's face.

Panic to me does equal name-calling and rudeness to someone trying to help.

MOO
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passionflower · Mar 29, 2009

kant said:
I know I'm an OCD anal retentive nit-picker... (heh heh) but it's just plain odd to me that Misty starts the 911 call with...
(wait for it...... wait for it....) . . HERSELF.

MISTY: "...Um... I was... I just woke up.... and our door was wide open.... and we can't find our daughter...."

I know everyone deals with panic differently and there is no one right way to panic. I get that. But there are norms and patterns to what people say and when comparing what was said to the end result of whoever did "it" -- whatever it was, there are patterns that emerge to use a guidlines or tools; (ok, not "proof.")

She clears herself first. (I just woke up)

She adds the door;

See? It's clearly a stranger/slash/ intruder or the door wouldn't be open.... and furthermore, we're gonna leave the door OPEN til the cops get here to prove it. yeah OK.

THEN she mentions Haleigh... as our daughter.

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Exactly, sounds like she was told to make the call........
I would think a person would say 'Please help Haleigh is gone, she's missing and we need help!'......but she tells everything first way before she mentions Haleigh is gone!

Kant thankyou for the links to read!
It sure helps to study these morons that do crimes!

Indigo · Mar 29, 2009

SeriouslySearching said:
I would not have stayed on the call with them in that situation either. I would have been looking for Haleigh and calling neighbors, family, others to come help, too. I guess it is why I don't consider it a big deal. I agree that dispatch wasn't going to be immediate help especially since it would take much longer for a deputy to arrive in a country type setting. The need to start looking was immediate and my response would not have been much different. I can see the urgency and desire to get them off the phone.

Ron could easily have gone outside, alerted the neighbors and looked for Haleigh while Misty was on the phone with the dispatcher. He had his own phone. Why was he hanging around doing nothing but shouting in the background? Why the hang up? It makes no sense.

Quiche · Mar 29, 2009

SeriouslySearching said:
No. I think they were both on cell phones, imo. Wouldn't the question from dispatch indicate it was not a landline as the address would automatically come up there? 911 asked for the "numerical" which was ridiculous, too. Most dispatchers would ask for the address not the "numerical". As a matter of fact, I have never heard 911not simply ask for the address.

You can't call for additional help if you are tied up in a call to 911 which is evidently what they did do by calling TN and others.

Ron had his phone to call for additional help, he wasn't all tangled up in that 911 call, on the contrary, he made Misty do that! Maybe he's not that good of an actor, imo.

Additionally, it seems to me if you don't want to be on the phone, you make one call and tell Them to contact everyone. Again, jmo

But since we're on the analysis thread, I encourage you to peruse the articles listed...they are wonderfully insightful and applicable to this case.

scratchthatitch · Mar 29, 2009

Hello Kant,

Thanks for all the information. I found this today, but can't hear any sound myself. Thought I would throw it out there if you hadn't already seen it.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

yosande · Mar 29, 2009

SeriouslySearching said:
I would not have stayed on the call with them in that situation either. I would have been looking for Haleigh and calling neighbors, family, others to come help, too. I guess it is why I don't consider it a big deal. I agree that dispatch wasn't going to be immediate help especially since it would take much longer for a deputy to arrive in a country type setting. The need to start looking was immediate and my response would not have been much different. I can see the urgency and desire to get them off the phone.

He didn't have to stay in the house yelling about his dumb b^tch gf. He could have been out yelling her name, waking the neighbors, even blocking the only road in and out of the area. Did they only have one phone? Why not just keep Misty talking to 911, while he did something else, or called someone else? And Why did he have her call them, Haleigh is his daughter.
Therefore, having Misty do the calling and talking, and hanging up when he is asked to answer questions says something. I don't know what, but it says something.
RC avoids, and denies, personality, or conscience?

According to the article about guilty and innocent callers, Misty did everything a guilty caller did.
RC is harder to tell, he did things that the innocent and the guilty callers did.
The alibi being the most obvious. The freaking out, and demanding help quickly goes toward innocent, as examples.

Giving 911 as much info as possible for an amber alert was important, and the dispatcher told them why she was asking the questions. Hanging up on them, and in the manner in which it was done was inappropiate, and unnecessary. If someone took her, as the father is so convinced happened within seconds of arriving, then blocking the road would have been what I would have been doing, that and trying to remember what every single car looked like that passed me on the way home. He is completely unhelpful, and even when LE arrives he continues to be too emotional to answer questions, and yet he seems well able to control himself when needed, ie GR interview.

Indigo · Mar 29, 2009

kant said:
Below is a link to the police report. Scroll down to "Additional Info" and see the 3rd paragraph where Misty tells the officer that:

....she got up to get a drink

...noticed Haleigh was gone,

...went to look for Haleigh and then noticed the door was open.

How many versions are there now?

Police Report Link

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
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Newest version:

...noticed the back door was open
...went back to her bedroom to get her cell phone to call Ron
...noticed Haleigh was missing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

passionflower · Mar 29, 2009

Kant.
This site you gave us is wonderful!
makes me wonder allot............going back to stud Misty's 911 call again. http://www.lsiscan.com/id33.htm

awakewriter · Mar 29, 2009

kant said:
This one is already listed above, but this link is easier to deal with.

"911 Homicide Calls and Statement Analysis: Is the Caller the Killer?"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386

This is interesting for a lot of the cases on these forums. THANK YOU!

passionflower · Mar 29, 2009

yosande said:
He didn't have to stay in the house yelling about his dumb b^tch gf. He could have been out yelling her name, waking the neighbors, even blocking the only road in and out of the area. Did they only have one phone? Why not just keep Misty talking to 911, while he did something else, or called someone else? And Why did he have her call them, Haleigh is his daughter. Therefore, having Misty do the calling and talking, and hanging up when he is asked to answer questions says something. I don't know what, but it says something.
RC avoids, and denies, personality, or conscience?

According to the article about guilty and innocent callers, Misty did everything a guilty caller did.RC is harder to tell, he did things that the innocent and the guilty callers did.
The alibi being the most obvious. The freaking out, and demanding help quickly goes toward innocent, as examples.

thanks bolded by me..........ditto from what I understand also

Quiche · Mar 29, 2009

Re Misty and the 911 call-- what's with the "my daughter" fiction? I mean, really, fgs she started out with a bald faced lie! Why?

The only reason I can come up with is to justify why it was her, rather than Ron, placing that call. In my mind, it adds up to Misty not feeling she was the responsible party...in essence, she was falsely inserting herself. Thoughts?

passionflower · Mar 29, 2009

mods, it would be nice if the links that Kant gave us could be a sticky for ALL cases, very helpful!

Quiche · Mar 29, 2009

kant said:
Below is a link to the police report. Scroll down to "Additional Info" and see the 3rd paragraph where Misty tells the officer that:

....she got up to get a drink

...noticed Haleigh was gone,

...went to look for Haleigh and then noticed the door was open.

How many versions are there now?

Police Report Link

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
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The police report says Misty stated that she woke just BEFORE three! So If we are to believe she "saw" three, are we pushed back now to 2:53 a.m.?! That's a solid half hour before the 911 call. Stage-o-rama imo

Indigo · Mar 29, 2009

Quiche said:
The police report says Misty stated that she woke just BEFORE three! So If we are to believe she "saw" three, are we pushed back now to 2:53 a.m.?! That's a solid half hour before the 911 call. Stage-o-rama imo

According to the latest account, Misty called Ron as soon as she noticed that the back door was open and Ron was just pulling up in the driveway.

Now both of them have to explain why they waited so long to call 911.

passionflower · Mar 29, 2009

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_...ng-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it

Kant thanks for Clint Van Zandt's site also.........great article of what he thinks, going back to read his others

kant · Mar 29, 2009

Quiche said:
The police report says Misty stated that she woke just BEFORE three! So If we are to believe she "saw" three, are we pushed back now to 2:53 a.m.?! That's a solid half hour before the 911 call. Stage-o-rama imo

Quiche, LOL.... stage-o-rama..

If I don't laugh sometimes, I'd be crying all the time.
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kant · Mar 29, 2009

passionflower said:
http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_...ng-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it

Kant thanks for Clint Van Zandt's site also.........great article of what he thinks, going back to read his others

Hey, Passionflower, did you take a look at the comments section ? OMG.....

As I mentioned, Clint (aka CVZ) answers many questions or responds in general to the comments.

I wanted to post some of that b/c of the interesting nature of CVZ's answers, but the questions were so.... what's the word.... inflammatory, (?).... or, let's just say, less than complimentary to the Cummings that I was ah-skeered to post them b/c I'm not wearing my protective armor at the moment - heh heh. .

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kant · Mar 29, 2009

Quiche said:
Re Misty and the 911 call-- what's with the "my daughter" fiction? I mean, really, fgs she started out with a bald faced lie! Why?

The only reason I can come up with is to justify why it was her, rather than Ron, placing that call. In my mind, it adds up to Misty not feeling she was the responsible party...in essence, she was falsely inserting herself. Thoughts?

(bolding mine) Yes, Quiche, I noticed that too.

Also, in one of those articles, (I forget which one) it says that the "perp" rarely likes to be the one to make the 911 call; They generally prefer to snag someone else to do it or at least get someone else to initiate it and get the ball rolling.

There is an even weirder aspect here too IMO, given that Ron is the "adult," legally speaking and he is the bio parent. It is his home. Well, you get my drift.

So..imo...gotta throw ya a big fat...

HINK!...

MOO
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