Legal Arguments - What went on behind Closed Doors?

The first detective lol. Buttering him up ;)

lmao how old are you 28! Why don't you come out from under that security blanket.

There is a lot "off" about MTR...in such a creepy way. I have to say it but there is something similar about him and his ___'s googley eyes that freaks me out.
MOO
 
"he ain't all there" LOLZ ... and well ... i hear PB is pretty miffed at women now after Karla pulled her little prank of sending him down the river, so he might be one to watch out for too.

They can be the three musketeers. Everytime I see PB I think u mean peanut butter. MOO

Yes I think MTR would be very afraid of those two. Especially when RW says You, Suzie, get your heels together when u talking to me like you are Dorothy going to OZ! in his big authoritarian voice. MOO
 
ITA agree and I don't think it is the time to try and single out those who were not on the same page as the majority. If someone wants to say, hey maybe i was wrong or if I had only known what is being reported now, etc. as i have already done, then that's great and I would hope it can bven witne in a friendly and respectful environment. JMO

I think that many of us may differ in beliefs. This new information does not empower ANY of us. This is not a competition...it is a complicated trial.
We are all bonded by our care and concern for Victoria Stafford.
 
it seems that the gurgling sound may have been from choking TS...hence his choking preferences with other women :O(

so awful to think of these details but i think and jmo but he likely choked her unconscious and then tossed her out of the car.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ca...ut-michael-raffertys-character-151021275.html

The investigation uncovered 13 women who reported that Rafferty had a penchant for sexual choking — some of which they said was not consensual.

Investigators said they were told Rafferty had one woman who was reluctant to participate in his sexual violence sign a consent note, saying she agreed "to what Mike and I are doing tonight sexual choking and passing out and other things."


In Christie Blatchford's article, it says "at least" 13 women that would testify to this and that one of them was TLM...
 
They can be the three musketeers. Everytime I see PB I think u mean peanut butter. MOO

Yes I think MTR would be very afraid of those two. Especially when RW says You, Suzie, get your heels together when u talking to me like you are Dorothy going to OZ! in his big authoritarian voice. MOO

A RW, MR, and PB sandwich.
 
I think that many of us may differ in beliefs. This new information does not empower ANY of us. This is not a competition...it is a complicated trial.
We are all bonded by our care and concern for Victoria Stafford.

Presenting ones beliefs is different from making one feel inferior because they came to a a different conclusion. So there are some hard feelings JMO.
 
omg and that annoying little voice....PB and RW are gonna LOVE that.....STFU

MOO
 
The only conclusion that really matters is the Jury's.

There's no point in holding grudges around here. There's a good chance that two people who disagreed with each other on this case will be on the same side on the next on.
 
Yes his sniveling whiny voice. "You can't convict me"
Just watch us you .

I can't even watch the interrogation videos. I like my netbook and I feel like i would punch the screen if i had to watch him. LOL

Now I know why Rodney always looked like he needed to talk abut something else. I can't imagine how hard it was for him, knowing what the did.
 
See you all at 9 am sharp. Justice for Tori!!!!!
 
Everyone's conviction in their own beliefs was based on how each individual interpreted the information at hand and how it was presented. Let's face it, the jury could well align their verdict with those who believed MTR was Not Guilty. At this point, nobody is right or wrong in that respect because we still don't know what the verdict is. Regardless of whatever stance some took before today's bombshells, I doubt there is anyone now who believes he is Not Guilty ... and that is strictly because we now ALL have the benefit of knowing so much more than what the jury may base their decision on.

Did I just make any sense ??
 
One thing I know for sure ... if this is anything less than a 1st degree conviction, the crown has plenty of grounds for appeal. It seems to me that by excluding so much evidence, the judge has done everything possible to ensure that the defence has no grounds for appeal. Grounds for appeal start with having a search warrant for all the contents of the vehicle and then the judge going along with the defence argument that because in other situations there were warrants specifically for computers, there should have been a specific warrant for the computer in the car (basically a second warrant for vehicle contents). It's just my opinion, but I think evidence was suppressed to prevent the defence from appealing ... but I also think that could change during appeal. The videos that MR accessed were not about character, they were about his interest in raping children - premeditation ... all grounds for appeal.

I hope the jury gets it right the first time but, if not, I'm sure there will be another trial. No one wants this man in society.
 
Goodnite all ... no amount of worrying is going to do one bit of good or change a thing, so sleep tight and see you on Verdict Watch tomorrow.

Ugh ... that's 6:00 am PST. There oughta be a law ;)
 
The only thing I can think of to post right now is some really bad Bubba jokes.

So I'm off to bed. See you all in the morning.
 
The first interrogator seems to talk too much.
 
I think it's a huge error in judgment to release interrogation interview tapes. Essentially, it seems to me that it will make all of their tactics ineffective because the most dangerious sociopaths and antisocial personality disorder people will study them.

MR seems to be in charge a bit ... he seems to be gathering information throughout the interrogation, trying to figure out how much police know and how much he can get away with. It's like he's scheming the entire time after he quits snivelling and wretching ... because his "life" is now rotting in a concrete box. Whimpering about "not being able to take care of his mom" is absurd since we know that her boyfriend moved out because MR was taking advantage of his mom.

When MR asks if he can watch the video of TLM accusing him, he wants more information ... he wants to know what police know. Slimey guy ... thinks he's really clever.

All the slimey whimpering is interesting to watch ... I expect this is how he got others to give him whatever he wanted. That whiney voice didn't suddenly appear during the interview ... I get the impression that MR is trying to control the interrogator. The interrgator plays along, trying to give MR an out for what happened. The interrogator wants MR to admit that much so he pins himself to a story.

While the officer is talking about the drug use, *advertiser censored*, abduction, rape and murder, MR has a vinyl blanket over the lower part of his body.

He's quite the little cry baby when he doesn't get his way. I wonder if he snivelled with the 13 women (including TLM).

ref: video 3
 
I think that this interrogation process provides another interesting comparison to the US interrogation laws. In US cases, we always hear about the accused right to have a lawyer present during interrogation. MR is asking for a lawyer, but the questioning doesn't stop. This is similar to how it is done in England and Italy (Joanna Yeates, Meredith Kercher).
 
If there's anyone out there who can't watch the interrogation videos from the msm sites, here it is on YouTube.

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Given MR interest in choking and TLM describing Victoria as gurgling, I think there's a good chance that MR murdered Victoria. TLM may have kicked her, stomped her or hit her with a hammer after she lay lifeless on the ground, but I think MR wanted to really try the snuff experience with a real live child.

"Indeed, Mr. Rafferty actually had one of his reluctant partners sign a waiver, giving him consent to choke her. “I agree to what Mike and I are doing tonight, sexual choking and passing out and other things,” it read.

The sexual choking had some real significance given Ms. McClintic’s evidence — in her first version of the killing, when she claimed it was Mr. Rafferty who did it — that she had heard a “gurgling” sound coming from Tori in the moments before her death.

She interpreted that to mean the little girl was being choked, a practice with which she was not unfamiliar."


I think that this is open to appeal if need be: "But, while admitting that “at the time of the search, no binding authority indicated that the police were obligated to obtain a [separate] search warrant” to examine the laptop, Judge Heeney nonetheless found that Det.-Sgt. Gast took “the risk” the law might change."

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...erty-evidence/

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/10/tori-stafford-michael-rafferty-evidence/
 

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