Ravyn
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Now I'm confused everyone always says she died in the early morning hours.But the autopsy shows 1323 if I know military time that makes it 1:23 pm on the 26.I just like to know if someone can put some light on the time of death
Now I'm confused everyone always says she died in the early morning hours.But the autopsy shows 1323 if I know military time that makes it 1:23 pm on the 26.I just like to know if someone can put some light on the time of death
Someone may correct me, but I understand the 1323 referred to the time the body was found since the coroner couldn't establish an actual time of death. I may be wrong, though.
Now I'm confused everyone always says she died in the early morning hours.But the autopsy shows 1323 if I know military time that makes it 1:23 pm on the 26.I just like to know if someone can put some light on the time of death
I've said this before,but with JR trying to account for his prints on the walk-in fridge,I think it's possible the R's may have attempted to askew the TOD by temporarily placing her body in there.Or perhaps they put it there until they decided what to do next.
The cornoner not doing those 2 vital procedures (which would be relevant to establishing a TOD),IMO means he was told not to do them.On top of it all,it was a child murder and no way would any cornonor just happen to 'forget' to do those 2 things.
I am sure he was told not to do them. There was likely a flurry of frantic phone calls during the night, and the word went around fast.
However, the livor mortis patterns indicate she was not moved after death past 15 minutes or so. If she was placed in the fridge, there'd be TWO livor patterns. There is only one. Also, rigor begins to form within that time, though milder at first. Her body was not moved from a supine position after 15 or so minutes of death. The fluid oozing from her mouth happened while she was still alive (probably from the head bash) and the pattern (down along her right cheek) agrees with the position of her head when she was found (cocked to the right). The garrote knot seems to have been tied when she was on her stomach, as was the postmortem urine release (found anterior on the body-down the front). So she was turned on her back right after. And that's where I think she was left. IMHO.
I really don't think she was put in the fridge OR basement freezer at all. I think she was handled after death minimally to be wiped down, redressed, and then put in the wineceller. The garroting happened when she was still alive, as did whatever caused the vaginal bleeding. They may not have known she was alive, though.
Now I agree that I think they didn't know she was still alive.But PR said she undressed her down to the shirt that she was wearing also said she said put the longjohns on her.Please enlighten me to where you heard she was wiped down and redressed
I've said this before,but with JR trying to account for his prints on the walk-in fridge,I think it's possible the R's may have attempted to askew the TOD by temporarily placing her body in there.Or perhaps they put it there until they decided what to do next.
The cornoner not doing those 2 vital procedures (which would be relevant to establishing a TOD),IMO means he was told not to do them.On top of it all,it was a child murder and no way would any cornonor just happen to 'forget' to do those 2 things.
sure,but considering she didn't actually die until after the garrote was applied,(likely in the basement),and the head wound was said to be inflicted possibly up to an hour before,I just wonder if she was in there for say,about an hour,if it overall would have made any difference.I am sure he was told not to do them. There was likely a flurry of frantic phone calls during the night, and the word went around fast.
However, the livor mortis patterns indicate she was not moved after death past 15 minutes or so. If she was placed in the fridge, there'd be TWO livor patterns. There is only one. Also, rigor begins to form within that time, though milder at first. Her body was not moved from a supine position after 15 or so minutes of death. The fluid oozing from her mouth happened while she was still alive (probably from the head bash) and the pattern (down along her right cheek) agrees with the position of her head when she was found (cocked to the right). The garrote knot seems to have been tied when she was on her stomach, as was the postmortem urine release (found anterior on the body-down the front). So she was turned on her back right after. And that's where I think she was left. IMHO.
I really don't think she was put in the fridge OR basement freezer at all. I think she was handled after death minimally to be wiped down, redressed, and then put in the wineceller. The garroting happened when she was still alive, as did whatever caused the vaginal bleeding. They may not have known she was alive, though.
Again, I may be showing my ignorance here but I seem to remember reading that pineapple had a fairly standard digestion rate so you could just about compute a TOD from the state of the pineapple remains found in JB's digestive system?
Now I agree that I think they didn't know she was still alive.But PR said she undressed her down to the shirt that she was wearing also said she said put the longjohns on her.Please enlighten me to where you heard she was wiped down and redressed
I wonder if John's shirt was ever tested for JBR's blood. Hopefully its in the warehouse of evidence not yet tested.
It's safe to says JonBenet have been dead 20 to 21 hours when the coroner see her that night on the 26
I'm going by her tombstone,say it was 11:00 pm.John Ramsey went to bed at 10:30 or 10:40pm or later cause Burke was stated he heard something around midnight,