Sure, it's possible, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Granted, I'm not an expert in this fetish, but I did spend a solid few hours reading threads there, including the community guidelines. Consent is probably the most emphasized aspect of them all, followed by safety and communication. I saw no indication of desires to abduct someone against their will, no plans to commit crimes, or anything I was really troubled by. I don't believe the idea would be welcome there. Jmo.
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I just found this.. I cannot attest to its accuracy however?
http://subliminalridge.blogspot.ie/2017/07/yingying-zhang-kidnapping-case-few.html
http://subliminalridge.blogspot.ie/2017/07/yingying-zhang-kidnapping-case-few.html
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Is it possible he was subscribed to more hardcore sites where it would have been welcome?
Thanks for clarifying all that and for all the time you researched it.
I'd say it's possible, I have to assume there's probably sites like that... somewhere.
FromGERMANY and MRSOBRIEN: Excellent observation...."outdoors" and I would venture to guess that involves at least one other person? (I'm not going into details.....you'll just have to imagine that part, ok:blushing
All of BC's computer searches and fantasies (which were not fantasies with consenting adults, after all, imaginethat?) required the involvement or dominance over one other individual, a female... I don't think he started telling a male online and then began searching for a female to play his subservient. I believe he had encounters/desires to dominate females and wanted to "up his game." He is a hunter. What is the excitement of "hunting" if all the prey willingly jump into your vehicle at a prearranged time?? What angler would sit in the middle of the lake for hours, if all the fish just jumped into the boat?? After trolling for hours, he finally got his prey within arms reach...so he had to incapacitate her immediately. I believe if one reads all his "posts" on the Fet (?) site, and his rants on others; the who, what, when where, why and how have already been explained. It was exciting, it was taboo, the ultimate game/hunt, and in broad daylight. Just too much hubris in the abduction...how could he possibly have kept it to himself? Oh yeah, he didn't keep it to himself, did he? I am sure he has "played what-if" and "I can do better" with someone he "pal'd up with" before.. A person on the website, a submissive he met on line, or recently at a scheduled "meet and greet."?? No matter how "harmless" people want it to seem....there were members willing to discuss serious issues.
"a variety of mental health concerns within and in our Lifestyle" October 2016 meeting/topic in Urbana Their words, not mine
http://illinoiseagle.com/tag/kink/page/8/
Cautionary warning the link to the local and public newsletter does have a picture of two men in leather "hugging?"... if you can handle the outfits in a Mad Max movie, it shouldn't be a problem. ps...I applaud MrsObrien for making me "slightly" less judgmental.
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I agree... I think she was dead within 30-60 minutes of her abduction.
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Xiaolin Houm, Yingying Zhang’s boyfriend says: “Our number one priority is to find Yingying” Meanwhile FBI removes her from the 'Kidnapping and Missing Persons' list
http://foxillinois.com/news/local/m...from-fbis-kidnapping-and-missing-persons-list
http://foxillinois.com/news/local/m...from-fbis-kidnapping-and-missing-persons-list
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Yes, the timing of this removal in last couple days seems a bit odd. I asked awhile back, but never got an answer, IF the FBI routinely removes people from "missing person" list once they conclude the person is dead (even when no body located) -- if they do, why didn't they remove her from list 2+ weeks ago; why wait 'til now; what do they know now they didn't know over 2 wks. ago...
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did your research find any methods of incapacitation?FromGERMANY and MRSOBRIEN: Excellent observation...."outdoors" and I would venture to guess that involves at least one other person? (I'm not going into details.....you'll just have to imagine that part, ok:blushing
Fet (?) site, and his rants on others; the who, what, when where, why and how have already been explained. It was exciting, it was taboo, the ultimate game/hunt, and in broad daylight. Just too much hubris in the abduction...how could he possibly have kept it to himself? Oh yeah, he didn't keep it to himself, did he? I am sure he has "played what-if" and "I can do better" with someone he "pal'd up with" before.. A person on the website, a submissive he met on line, or recently at a scheduled "meet and greet."?? No matter how "harmless" people want it to seem....there were members willing to discuss serious issues.
"a variety of mental health concerns within and in our Lifestyle" October 2016 meeting/topic in Urbana Their words, not mine
http://illinoiseagle.com/tag/kink/page/8/
Cautionary warning the link to the local and public newsletter does have a picture of two men in leather "hugging?"... if you can handle the outfits in a Mad Max movie, it shouldn't be a problem. ps...I applaud MrsObrien for making me "slightly" less judgmental.
If the victim was to be subdued immediately, what was the recommended method? Ether?. Something else? Killing immediately would surely have been counter-productive?
Why do you suggest 'outdoors' which was merely one of the many chocolates he liked in the entire box would necessarily need to involve a second person?
I hav opened the link you provided but I'm not sure which section you were referring to?
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Obviously irrelevant, but l thought l'd share. Photo is is of my husband dead-lifting, BC is captured looking at his phone in the background. Taken a month ago.
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Thanks . I found this reference to the kidnapping on their home page, but no comments
http://illinoiseagle.com/fetlife-group-mentioned-uofi-abduction-case/
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I promised I would come back and explain the libel issue so away we go...
Always remember anyone can sue anybody over anything. Doesn't mean they will win and it could be the case will get thrown out of court in 2 minutes but you can sue or be sued at any time for anything.
You are responsible for your post. If you libel someone on Websleuths and someone wants to sue, you are the one the lawyers will go after.
If the person you libel is considered a public figure then that person has to prove you knew what you were posting was not true and you made the post to harm the public figure.
Very high standards to prove libel for public figures.
It's easier for private citizens to sue for libel.
If I am contacted by a someone who says a post on Websleuths is incorrect and is harming someone it is up to me to remove it. I almost always remove the post in question because it is the right thing to do. However, I don't remove all the posts requested. I wouldn't remove posts about Casey Anthony when was told I should by her mom Cindy.
If I am alerted and the post should be removed for moral reasons I will do so. Again, depends on the situation.
I do not know of anyone on Websleuths who has been sued for libel yet. All you have to do is make sure you state you are giving an opinion or the information you are posting has some solid truth behind it.
If you have further questions please email me at triciastruecrimeradio@gmail.com and please do not discuss this on Yingying's thread again. We need to put all our energy toward Yingying and her family.
Thank you.
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Always remember anyone can sue anybody over anything. Doesn't mean they will win and it could be the case will get thrown out of court in 2 minutes but you can sue or be sued at any time for anything.
You are responsible for your post. If you libel someone on Websleuths and someone wants to sue, you are the one the lawyers will go after.
If the person you libel is considered a public figure then that person has to prove you knew what you were posting was not true and you made the post to harm the public figure.
Very high standards to prove libel for public figures.
It's easier for private citizens to sue for libel.
If I am contacted by a someone who says a post on Websleuths is incorrect and is harming someone it is up to me to remove it. I almost always remove the post in question because it is the right thing to do. However, I don't remove all the posts requested. I wouldn't remove posts about Casey Anthony when was told I should by her mom Cindy.
If I am alerted and the post should be removed for moral reasons I will do so. Again, depends on the situation.
I do not know of anyone on Websleuths who has been sued for libel yet. All you have to do is make sure you state you are giving an opinion or the information you are posting has some solid truth behind it.
If you have further questions please email me at triciastruecrimeradio@gmail.com and please do not discuss this on Yingying's thread again. We need to put all our energy toward Yingying and her family.
Thank you.
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BC looks big, um, but doesn't have muscle definition. Food choices are part of producing that Arnold Schwarzenegger-style body.
Moving a deceased/incapacitated victim into or out of the apartment building: if these are student apartments, people move in & out frequently. Didn't a MSM quote a neighbor who had just moved in? Ms Zhang is a small framed person. I am afraid that she would fit into a typical moving box, and no one would pay much attention to a college-aged guy carrying a box out of a college student apartment building.
Box, big Rubbermaid tub, etc. Didn't a murderer take a victim out of a hotel in a rolling suitcase?
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GHOULINA I just saw your post. Amazing. You sure got yourself one seriously strong Honey! Does the gym have any large windows out to the parking lot? Just wondering, when the BOLO went out for the vehicle.... how many people walked by BC's car, never even realizing it was THE car? Or maybe he never even parked it at the gym? Just wondering.....from a "male's" viewpoint as I would be the last person to ask about a vehicle make & model. Also, my hubs said it is strange, to him, that a man would be texting in the gym. He occasionally sees women texting, but that most MEN don't want to lose, damage or get sweat on their phones....and keep them in their gym bags. Wow, when you think about it....a month ago would be almost exactly when the FBI knocked on his front door!! Bet he was really watching his phone then! What are the chances of you narrowing down the exact day the photo was taken? I'm going to guess that is the phone the FBI took...so Monday, June 12th?
Why, Skigirl? That didn't give him much time to do his thing..? or do you think that murder was his fantasy all along?
I agree - I don't see men who are lifting using their phones. They're usually all serious biz then
SteveP - Wasn't her par in his "games" to play herself, a terrified and powerless woman he could dominate and terrorize?
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I wonder if he owns a large gym bag. I have two. One holds hockey gear and can fit sticks in it, the other is much thicker and could easily fit a small person in it. If he took her inside, I wonder if it was with a hundred pound bag over his shoulder...JMO.
Wouldn't the apartment complex have cameras so LE would know how he entered and left? Perhaps there are no cameras watching?
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Wouldn't the apartment complex have cameras so LE would know how he entered and left? Perhaps there are no cameras watching?
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Scene would refer to a session of sex, does not imply pictures. Jmo.
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