2009.11.06 More docs released THIS THREAD FOR GENERAL OVERVIEW AND REFERENCE

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KenoshaKid said:
Well, here's one guess - men who have low testosterone can supplement in cream form or via injection. The latter comes in a small vial and is administered via a disposable syringe on a monthly basis. I would think that if some male in the household had an Rx for this, CA being a nurse could administer it.

Reuse syringe, still has traces of testosterone in it (which is a thick liquid).

Do we know if it was a needle type syringe or an oral med type?
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Needle type with the cap on.
 
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11988-12070.pdf

Pages 11988-11995 Is DNA/seralogical analysis of shorts, clothing, blanket,
laundry bag (ME Ofc);
blanket, tape, bottle, bottle, plastic bag, syringe (scene);
knife, doll (vehicle); rug (home); napkin (vehicle);
fabric (scapula); swabs from gas cans, oil pan (vehicle);
swabs from backpack wipes, comb, airbed pump,
flatiron (from OCSO); tape - Q316-318 only (scene);
pages 11996-12070
lab work sheets, FBI Submission forms 12, 13 and OCSO property forms from scene and anthony home search in December
 
mom2chloe said:

I am not clear on this either....although we are all brilliant, where are JWG and Bond when we need them? :banghead:
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Well...as a chemist, I've kinda gone over the GC/MS results and the report....not gonna get into a pee pee match....
 
pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf

Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair just noticed a note at the bottom that says Q59.1 should be Q59.3 Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

Benzodiazepine.......[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines[/ame]

Kitamine........[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine[/ame]

negative for all 11 drugs

on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
 
Hello WS :)

From Docs: Swab from tip of shovel Q31-32
Swabs from shovel handle Q29-Q30

I cannot tell from the language used what was found on these, although they are(the results)included in this report. I think.

Male DNA (Burner: the neighbor I am assuming?) was found but:

The amelogenin typing results obtained form specimens Q30 do not statisfy DNA analysis unit 1 reporting criteria; therefore no conclusion can be offered.

The DNA profile obtained from specimen Q30 does not statisfy DNA analysis unit 1 reporting criteria...therefore may be utilized only for exclusionary purposes.

And: evidence collected at 8900 block of suburban drive:

1 black wallet
1 sears credit card with name Timothy Monforte

WSers...what is this?
 
magic-cat said:
Hi momtective! Can you give a link or page for this? Some of clickorlandos links appear to be broken...:blushing:
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It's on both page #10876 and also on page# 10996 of todays docs.
Hope that helps.
 
eaglemom said:
respectfully snipped

I have yet to see any results from the vacuums at all..... I have reviewed quite a bit of the docs at this point.
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There was a note written by the FBI that SA Ashton said not to run tests on debris from the vacuums.

It was in one of the last couple doc dumps. It would take me quite awhile to find it, but I will look if you want me to. Maybe someone else remembers this also?
 
Chiquita71 said:
Hello WS :)

From Docs: Swab from tip of shovel Q31-32
Swabs from shovel handle Q29-Q30

I cannot tell from the language used what was found on these, although they are(the results)included in this report. I think.

Male DNA (Burner: the neighbor I am assuming?) was found but:

The amelogenin typing results obtained form specimens Q30 do not statisfy DNA analysis unit 1 reporting criteria; therefore no conclusion can be offered.

The DNA profile obtained from specimen Q30 does not statisfy DNA analysis unit 1 reporting criteria...therefore my be utilized only for exclusionary purposes.

And: evidence collected at 8900 block of suburban drive:

1 black wallet
1 sears credit card with name Timothy Monforte

WSers...what is this?
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Some guy who lost his wallet unrelated to the case as I recall.
 
MyTinkieGirl said:
Well...as a chemist, I've kinda gone over the GC/MS results and the report....not gonna get into a pee pee match....
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What do GC/MS mean? Any explanations of what we are looking at would certainly help me since I am an accountant not a chemist.
 
one_hooah_wife said:
I don't know how this will fit in or if it will at all. Testosterone injections are used by bodybuilders and serious gym rats, both male and female. Many AS "dealers" also supply clean urine to be used in case of a drug screen. I have an oh-so-sick feeling that KC might have obtained these items from someone else in an effort to frame him.
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Yup. Body-builders of the bulky sort who can often be found working part-time as bouncers at clubs like Fusion. When I was Casey's age, every 4th guy in the clubs was using steroids and HGH (human growth hormone.)

Not at all a stretch to imagine Casey had easy access.
 
MyTinkieGirl said:
Ummmmm....where do they say they only tested 11??

If you go down further to look...there is a list of 13 drugs tested for....as it reads...it says the hair was positive for "ketamine" and "benzodiazepines"....Other 11 neg results....

Currently trying to copy/paste exact words...not workin...BUT.....go back to pg 13 in this doc....go one more page....pg 14.....the list of items tested are listed...13 of them.....back up to pg 13....11 neg.....ketamine and benzo's found in hair mass.

The results are odd, because, page 14 with the list of items tested is from 3/9/09...page 13 has the results and dated 3/13/09.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf
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when they listed the drugs on pg 14
ketamine was one of them listed there but benzodiazepines was not....but it seems it would be an ingredient in those other drugs......is that how you read it?
 
MyTinkieGirl said:
Ummmmm....where do they say they only tested 11??

If you go down further to look...there is a list of 13 drugs tested for....as it reads...it says the hair was positive for "ketamine" and "benzodiazepines"....Other 11 neg results....

Currently trying to copy/paste exact words...not workin...BUT.....go back to pg 13 in this doc....go one more page....pg 14.....the list of items tested are listed...13 of them.....back up to pg 13....11 neg.....ketamine and benzo's found in hair mass.

The results are odd, because, page 14 with the list of items tested is from 3/9/09...page 13 has the results and dated 3/13/09.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf
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Thanks, Tinkie for pointing this out. I have to say, I am confused now because I thought an earlier dump said that no drugs were found in the hair?
Am I remembering this right? Or was it just no chloroform found in the hair?
 
Dear Prudence said:
There was a note written by the FBI that SA Ashton said not to run tests on debris from the vacuums.

It was in one of the last couple doc dumps. It would take me quite awhile to find it, but I will look if you want me to. Maybe someone else remembers this also?
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No that's OK - I saw AZ Lawyer post the same thing awhile back. I never found the comment myself. I just keep hoping for a different outcome anyway. I was answering Chiquita's question about results in the doc dump today so she doesn't keep searching.

Thanks!
 
ok....im tired....but when they say hair batch.....does anyone know...what hair batch?.....was it from the matt of hair from the skull....was it taken from a sample from a hair brush or comb.....was it caylee's hair???

i assumed it was caylee's from the crime scene....but want to double check :)
 
just noticed a note at the bottom that says Q59.1 should be Q59.3 for the bulk hair


how do we find out where the bulk hair for Q59.3 came from?
 
MyTinkieGirl said:
Ummmmm....where do they say they only tested 11??

If you go down further to look...there is a list of 13 drugs tested for....as it reads...it says the hair was positive for "ketamine" and "benzodiazepines"....Other 11 neg results....

Currently trying to copy/paste exact words...not workin...BUT.....go back to pg 13 in this doc....go one more page....pg 14.....the list of items tested are listed...13 of them.....back up to pg 13....11 neg.....ketamine and benzo's found in hair mass.

The results are odd, because, page 14 with the list of items tested is from 3/9/09...page 13 has the results and dated 3/13/09.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf
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The list starts with the following:
Flunitrazepam
Flunitrazepam-d7
Diazepam
Diazepam-d5

so, I thought those might just count as variants of the same drug not completely seperate drugs tested. If you count Flunitrazepam and Flunitrazepam-d7 as one drug and Diazepam and Diazepam-d5 as one drug that gives you a total of 11 drugs for the list. And the report states "Negative for all 11 drugs" not negative for all other 11 drugs.

But, I do not know how to read the charts that are included so I could be totally wrong. If the charts indicate they found a positive, please explain it and I will try to understand.
 
what does

Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS mean?

what is LC/MS/MS ?


can someone start a thread for is there drugs in caylee hair???

i have to go.....but will be back....i would start it...but dont have the time to put things on there :)
 
TakeNote said:
pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf

Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair just noticed a note at the bottom that says Q59.1 should be Q59.3 Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

Benzodiazepine.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines

Kitamine........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

negative for all 11 drugs

on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
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I also looked up ketamines on Wiki. Can have anesthetic effect. Used as recreational drug, snorted or injected or taken orally:

when administered orally, ketamine is rapidly metabolised to norketamine, which possesses sedating effects
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..... just like benzodiazepines. Drugs could have been used in combination or separately at different times.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine"]Source[/ame]
 
TakeNote said:
pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540377.pdf

Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair

Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

Benzodiazepine.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines

Kitamine........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

negative for all 11 drugs

on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
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Well Benzodiazepines are found/used/class of several well known drugs. The BIG BIG ones being Valium, and ... drum roll please... XANAX. (aka "Zanny the Nanny"). If traces of these were found in Caylee's hair it is really chilling as it probably indicates prior or long term exposure and use. Any drugs found in her hair would not have been from the day she died, or within a short period. So that right there almost seems to indicate that our long running joke/rumor/dark humor comments of Xanax as the babysitter may have been right. The chloroform and syringe indicate that she just used something stronger.
 
Haven't read through most of the documents, but FWIW, benzodiazepines are a category of drugs that includes xanex.

Also about the syringe, I initially thought: friend injected testosterone as a steroid, cleaned it out with rubbing alcohol (ethanol) - perhaps person shares needles or just wants to disinfect, KC steals it, uses it for chloroform.
 
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