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Oh my, IMO, queer offensive, one notch below f*g jmo!
 
The study of evil versus mental illness..( book review followed by many interesting comments)
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4451.People_of_the_Lie
"In People of the Lie, an absorbing and equally inspiring companion volume, Dr. Peck utilizes the same approach to probe brilliantly the essence of human evil. People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these People of the Liework in the lives of those around them. He presents, from cases encountered in his psychiatric practice, unforgettably vivid incidents of evil in everyday life. This disturbing, fascinating book offers a strikingly original approach to the age-old problem of human evil"
 
Sounds like he's been in Montreal longer than 5 months (??) Even up to a year from Feb 2011? Does that make sense? Did he stalk Jun Lin for a year?

No 411 listings for Luka Magnotta or Luka Rocco Magnotta. There are at least 25 for E. Newman across Canada. Hard to say which one is Eric Newman aka Magnotta.

ETA: I don't think he had a house phone. Also, I noticed the apartments rented were furnished and internet, utilities included which means he didn't have to register his name anywhere!ie Bell Canada or Hydro Quebec
This is a good point. All of those "people locator" sites on the internet use utility company info to maintain their databases.
 
I think he was an innovator (pioneer?) in promoting and distributing a murder in the mainstream in such a smart way that it crossed the gore websites boundaries and became known around the world.

But to me (MY OPINION) he did copycat the way of killing from fictional and real serial killers and didn't really add much of his own (except the dog). There are just too many movies references in the killvid, I've read gore fans saying that he acted mechanical almost like following some script (I didn't watch the movie but read the graphic description) and that he could have killed using another tool, add another soundtrack, could have discharged the body in another manner etc.

The external influence is so massive that I think he could totally use in his defense the old excuse of 'movies made me do it', as crazy as it sounds it would make more sense to me that he believed he was Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct or American Psycho and the Hannibal series than murdering just for notoriety because he is possibly malignant narcissist (or at least have narcissist personality disorder). JMHO!!!

other crimes inspired by movies
http://brainz.org/15-films-inspired-real-life-crimes/
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/movies_made_me_kill/5.html

Just a thought, but LM is painted by many here
as being a "copy cat" killer by bringing elements of famous serial killers and movies to his own alleged crime. While I think this is true, part of me thinks that we only witness his copy cat because he utilized the Internet to express it. I'm guessing serial killers are all inspired by other killers/movies/books/etc. I don't think these people just wake up one day and decide to kill in a particular pattern; they are influenced. The difference here is that we aren't privy to seeing these serial killers' influences because that would require much, much more effort than in the case at hand.

Even though this bothers me and I don't see it as giving him any credit, by virtue of the fact that he used the Internet and made himself so well publicized, makes him somewhat unique as an alleged killer. If proven guilty, he is the first google bomber killer.

Unfortunately I fear this is going to spawn others to act out on fantasies or a means to gain attention. On a lesser but still just as disturbing trend, you hear and see all these videos of mostly kids committing crimes and then posting them on the net. They seem to get off on who can out do the last video and LE can't even keep up. Even LE is seems desensitized, because it is so frequent and often not proven easy to catch these guys. Even the original guy who reported this killvid, wasn't taken seriously.
 
I think he was an innovator (pioneer?) in promoting and distributing a murder in the mainstream in such a smart way that it crossed the gore websites boundaries and became known around the world.

But to me (MY OPINION) he did copycat the way of killing from fictional and real serial killers and didn't really add much of his own (except the dog). There are just too many movies references in the killvid, I've read gore fans saying that he acted mechanical almost like following some script (I didn't watch the movie but read the graphic description) and that he could have killed using another tool, add another soundtrack, could have discharged the body in another manner etc.

The external influence is so massive that I think he could totally use in his defense the old excuse of 'movies made me do it', as crazy as it sounds it would make more sense to me that he believed he was Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct or American Psycho and the Hannibal series than murdering just for notoriety because he is possibly malignant narcissist (or at least have narcissist personality disorder). JMHO!!!

other crimes inspired by movies
http://brainz.org/15-films-inspired-real-life-crimes/
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/movies_made_me_kill/5.html
Now, THAT is an interesting notion ( I know it is no surprise here, that I am in the mental illiness SEVERE cat!

However, humm could be a great "legal" game
 
Evidence to support this?

I ask because Magnotta doesn't strike me as someone who likes to chat up strangers

Well he sure as heck seemed fine to chat up strangers in Paris. He got to stay for a couple of nights with a stranger and also had the audacity to try and get an invite to a party. I don't call that shy in striking up conversations with strangers at all.
 
The thing that makes me not take anything seriously about his childhood stories is the fact that most narcissists usually never describe anyone else in a good light if it will make the narcissist look bad. It's always 'others fault', the others are evil and mean and gruesome, because I'm perfect and I don't deserve to be treated that way.

Did you ever read Magnotta talking anything positive about a real life person? I'm not talking about his infatuation with Marilyn, James Dean or Boham, I'm talking about friends, coworkers, family. I can't remember anything positive, even his sister whom I thought he liked her, he described her as being *advertiser censored*** up also (3kids from 3 fathers, living on welfare etc) because of the childhood. I mean come on, he could have said that she did a lot better than him in despite of everything she went through. But no, that would make her look superior to him.

Sure, at least one of his posts about his family could be actually truth, I'm not saying that he didn't have a bad upbringing and experienced hell, we will probably never know for sure about that especially if he was sexually abused by a relative (stepfather, grandfather, uncle etc). It's just that from what I've read, narcissist people never describe the reality the way it really happened, more like the way they perceived it happened or how they want to portray themselves to the audience. If it it will make them look less perfect than they imagine, there is no point in telling the truth.

Magnotta always blamed everyone else for his actions, why would he say anything good about his family? he said his mother was a monster but at the same time when he sent those emails about Manny abuse to the lawyer Romeo Salta, LM wrote her phone number and told the guy to talk to his mother if he wanted. So, my question is: if she is so evil and didn't support Magnotta or tried to help, why the heck would he give her number? why the need to involve her in this?
Of course this whole post is my opinion, feel free to disagree.

There are so many truths in this guy’s stuff, , I will kill , I like bondage - all sorts of stuff - did he embellish yes NPD, did he cut and paste to appear smart, yes, NPD - but at the same time, was he not totally honest in declaring things that no killer has ever declared AHEAD of time.?.................I SHALL KILL.....

So, if I can online, for three years, tell the world I like killing, blood, feces etc., when he tells us his mother tied him up – no one believes him. How does this make sense?

Lying involves risk. If I can tell the world I am killing, who could possibly think me saying my parents kept my baby brother in the room for days is a LIE?
…..if that is not the ultimate example OF HONESTY I need you guys to help me see what I am missing!!!!!!!!!
 
IMO culture has not kept up with technological advances. One can find anything they want on the web and if the person is bent on viewing the most depraved human behaviors they have easy access with a computer/laptop or cellphone in the privacy of their own home. With the stroke of a few keys one can read about killing in depth, access websites dedicated to serial killers and their crimes, view actual crime scene photographs, and view videos of every which way a human can be killed/violated/disrespected and disposed of. They can even see how different cultures have legal killings/disfigurements (hangings, beheadings, amputations..etc) for behaviors/circumstances ("crimes") that could very well be considered legal in their own country. They can view killing/assaults based on all types of prejudices whether it be women in Afghanistan, gays in Iran, or racial lynchings in America (eg. recent teens in Jackson, MS that assaulted, ran over and killed a black man because he was black).

I don't believe LM's murder was a spur of the moment thing. I think he fantasized about killing for a long time. Even if Lin Jun is the one human he murdered, he demonstrated a typical escalation often observed with the killing of animals first. IMO LM was an internet addict. He lived there or at least the obscene and often disjointed patchwork persona he created came to life there. It's pretty clear he spent hours and hours reading about killers and their crimes. The breath and depth of the information so readily available surely stoked his fantasies. Clearly he knew of gore websites and likely spent hours filling his mind with the visuals of mankind's darkest capabilities. How could this not influence him, might it even encourage a psychopath to act on their depraved impulses? I'm not justifying any murder's choices. I am simply saying that a partial contributer to crime, is the degree that each of us feeds the dark beast within us. If the web offers a bottomless pantry of ghastly entrees, then it seems we have to be prepared to deal with the results of those who are "at risk" and the outcomes of their binge eating...

(Oh...and just to be clear...this post is NOT suggesting that this perspective should/could be used as any part of a defense for LM.)
 
His birthday is coming shortly, the big 30. It must really get his goat that he can't get online to post some grandiose lie or something to boost his ego.
 
Lying involves risk. If I can tell the world I am killing, who could possibly think me saying my parents kept my baby brother in the room for days is a LIE?
…..if that is not the ultimate example OF HONESTY I need you guys to help me see what I am missing!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, lying involves risks ... and that is why psychopaths/sociopaths do it. Their lies are more grandiose than the garden variety fib or white lie. They love risk and love to shock and take control with their lies.

Your statement "If I can tell the world I am killing ..." could also be replaced with

"If I can tell the world I am killing,who could possibly think me saying <insert any or all of LRM's online posts under numerous online IDs>.... is a LIE?"

Good article on why psychopaths lie:

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/why-do-psychopaths-lie/

JMO
 
The thing that makes me not take anything seriously about his childhood stories is the fact that most narcissists usually never describe anyone else in a good light if it will make the narcissist look bad. It's always 'others fault', the others are evil and mean and gruesome, because I'm perfect and I don't deserve to be treated that way.

Did you ever read Magnotta talking anything positive about a real life person? I'm not talking about his infatuation with Marilyn, James Dean or Boham, I'm talking about friends, coworkers, family. I can't remember anything positive, even his sister whom I thought he liked her, he described her as being *advertiser censored*** up also (3kids from 3 fathers, living on welfare etc) because of the childhood. I mean come on, he could have said that she did a lot better than him in despite of everything she went through. But no, that would make her look superior to him.

Sure, at least one of his posts about his family could be actually truth, I'm not saying that he didn't have a bad upbringing and experienced hell, we will probably never know for sure about that especially if he was sexually abused by a relative (stepfather, grandfather, uncle etc). It's just that from what I've read, narcissist people never describe the reality the way it really happened, more like the way they perceived it happened or how they want to portray themselves to the audience. If it it will make them look less perfect than they imagine, there is no point in telling the truth.

Magnotta always blamed everyone else for his actions, why would he say anything good about his family? he said his mother was a monster but at the same time when he sent those emails about Manny abuse to the lawyer Romeo Salta, LM wrote her phone number and told the guy to talk to his mother if he wanted. So, my question is: if she is so evil and didn't support Magnotta or tried to help, why the heck would he give her number? why the need to involve her in this?
Of course this whole post is my opinion, feel free to disagree.
Your notions are neat, and I am following. IMO, though you have to reverse it. What could possibly account for what has happened?
And then you observe behavior, and in this instance watch see and read his stuff and ask what developed this.

And look at symptoms, thought actions, behavior and you find: BDD: Preoccupation with one or more perceived defects or flaws in physical appearance, comparing their appearance with that of others, preoccupations causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational.

And then you find NPD: Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love, Believes he is "special", requires excessive admiration, selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends, Lacks empathy, is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him and Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes.

Then ask yourself, do the above describe LM (IMO to the t) then it reasonable to conclude that LM suffered with BDD/NPD.
 
Respectfully quoted from Mozzmo above:

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I don't believe LM's murder was a spur of the moment thing. I think he fantasized about killing for a long time. Even if Lin Jun is the one human he murdered, he demonstrated a typical escalation often observed with the killing of animals first. IMO LM was an internet addict. He lived there or at least the obscene and often disjointed patchwork persona he created came to life there. It's pretty clear he spent hours and hours reading about killers and their crimes. The breath and depth of the information so readily available surely stoked his fantasies. Clearly he knew of gore websites and likely spent hours filling his mind with the visuals of mankind's darkest capabilities. How could this not influence him, might it even encourage a psychopath to act on their depraved impulses? I'm not justifying any murder's choices. I am simply saying that a partial contributer to crime, is the degree that each of us feeds the dark beast within us. If the web offers a bottomless pantry of ghastly entrees, then it seems we have to be prepared to deal with the results of those who are "at risk" and the outcomes of their binge eating...

(Oh...and just to be clear...this post is NOT suggesting that this perspective should/could be used as any part of a defense for LM.)


So well said.....and I agree wholeheartedly!! :tyou:
 
Throwing things and hoping they stick!

What evidence do you have to support this? RE: Post #767



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.MENTAL ILLINESS

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psychcentral.com/lib/2008/body-dysmorphic-disorder-when.../1/Nov 12, 2008 – Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD) sufferers often have “secondary conditions, including major depression, social anxiety and substance abuse,”EX LOVER

His ex lover
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Jun 1, 2012 – Nina Arsenault. Arsenault also said Magnotta used methamphetamine
Nov 2, 2008 – How to make your narcissist dependent on you. ... mental health disorders ("co-morbidity") - or with substance abuse, or impulsive and reckless ...
www.healthyplace.com/personality.../narcissistic-personality-disorder


So, in sum:
We are exploring an individual who was involved with him (Nia0) and his peers while the vocations he was involved are highly involved in that lifestyle , through in addictive (blog /sex/*advertiser censored*) behavior history and mental illness which is highly correlated with substance abuse.

Since we have no verifiable income streams IMO, there is a credible notion that using and dealing drugs is not all that farfetched, Imo.
Classic chicken or the egg scenario.
 
This post was in response to the wildly prevalent notion observed here, that because he is a pathological liar (Hallmark of the mental illness Narcissistic personality disorder!) NOTHING he ever said has any truth.

No one is ever, anything, always.

IMO, the narcissist is always a pathological liar, but imp, one must look at the needs being met by the lying.

Motivation/ Need fulfillment.

Certainly, if one comes from the perspective that he suffered with pathological narcissism then, the lie I am rich, I am the best looking thing on the planet, etc. meets a narcissists needs.

My contention and confusion -- Lm posting all over the place that he was in diapers and his mom is running around in face masks, and his father has been baker acted over and over, to someone he is trying to impress, does just the opposite --- it is NOT impressive.
If I met you, and wanted to impress you, would you possibly be more impressed with I earn 250 K (lie) or my dad has a long psych history.

There is no debate, imo, he is, an individual suffering from NPD, whose primary cause is intense childhood abuse.

LM is a pathological liar – truthful utterances, however, are, without a doubt, highly likely.
The first person writing by him, IMO is all true. It defeats his false image – there is no reason to make all that negative stuff up!
 
This post was in response to the wildly prevalent notion observed here, that because he is a pathological liar (Hallmark of the mental illness Narcissistic personality disorder!)
NOTHING he ever said has any truth.

No one is ever, anything, always.

IMO, the narcissist is always a pathological liar, but imp, one must look at the needs being met by the lying.

Motivation/ Need fulfillment.

Certainly, if one comes from the perspective that he suffered with pathological narcissism then, the lie I am rich, I am the best looking thing on the planet, etc. meets a narcissists needs.

My contention and confusion -- Lm posting all over the place that he was in diapers and his mom is running around in face masks, and his father has been baker acted over and over, to someone he is trying to impress, does just the opposite --- it is NOT impressive.
If I met you, and wanted to impress you, would you possibly be more impressed with I earn 250 K (lie) or my dad has a long psych history.

There is no debate, imo, he is, an individual suffering from NPD, whose primary cause is intense childhood abuse.

LM is a pathological liar – truthful utterances, however, are, without a doubt, highly likely.
The first person writing by him, IMO is all true. It defeats his false image – there is no reason to make all that negative stuff up!
 
Nah, he was terrified of 30 and I think this affords him a great avenue for denial. In his little mind his life ended at 29, therefore he can remain there forever. Reminds me of every woman I know. :p
 
What evidence do you have to support this?

We know of not a single friend or acquaintance he's had in the past 18 months. The neighbors never mentioned frequent traffic in and out of his apartment.

Let's just throw things against the wall and see what sticks ...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II

Yeah, I'd have to agree as there isn't any obvious proof of dealing drugs. There isn't much evidence of him making any money other than escorting, but where was he escorting if he wasn't bringing the johns to his apartment? Is there any evidence of stripping in more recent times? Any evidence of him doing Internet cam *advertiser censored*...that's something easily done if you have a place and the Internet, but I can't imagine that would make much money, but what a great ego booster for a narcissistic person.
 
Nah, he was terrified of 30 and I think this affords him a great avenue for denial. In his little mind his life ended at 29, therefore he can remain there forever. Reminds me of every woman I know. :p

It's not just women. ha!
 
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