GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4

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soozieqtips said:
Yes, I do too, as do some other posters. I actually believe that CS, NS, DN and DS were all aware of what happened, and that the reason NS was kept away from the cameras was because she couldn't be trusted to act 'normal'. They chose DS who was possibly the most articulate of them all. CS backed SH's fictional account of the funfair visit, and I think after she'd found out what happened, she was the one who organised what they were going to do next.

I'm not sure if I think anyone else was directly involved in her death apart from Hazell, but I do think that once Tia was dead, everyone was told what had happened, and told how they had to act etc. Gran 'runs' the family, I think - and Natalie would have been very influenced by her, and possibly the uncle (her brother) too.
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I too feel this story has more to it than SH being involved in Tia's death and hiding her body on his own.

I also think that Tia's body was not in their loft during the first police searches.

Why she was put in the loft,not hidden else where before being announced missing I am not sure.

If other family members were aware of what happened they need not have reported her missing for a couple of days giving themselves time to hide the body.

Did they want Tia's body to begin to decompose before being hidden away from the house to hide certain evidence.

I still think there is something about the mobile phones.I think Tia would have taken her own even if it was not working .I do not think NS would have willingly let Tia take hers.
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Actually, I think you might have something there! There was a media report on 11/8/12 which mentioned that SH had an alias which is actually the name of a specialist martial art. (The one that Bruce Lee designed - I won't name it here) All reference to that has been pulled from the internet now - the only trace that now exists is on another forum.

Several years ago, I worked with drug-addicted homeless young criminals for a while after they had been released from prison. I was amazed how many of them knew about, and could practice, advanced martial arts.

It is quite possible to kill somebody very easily and fast if you know what you are doing. If you have had a lot to drink say, and you lost your temper, if you employed certain techniques, you could kill someone without actually meaning to...
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That's intertesting.

BIB And this is the important bit. Assuming that they can find a cause of death and it goes to trial, it won't matter a jot that it wasn't pre-meditated.

What it will come down to is whether, at the point in time the accused did whatever he/she did, did they know that it would result in death.
 
graceholl said:
They should be in sync with your computer/browser times. I see all the times correctly on Twitter. So 3.42am is probably correct GMT time :)
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I still think it is strange to be twitterering celebrities about Tia being missing.

Did they go onto Tia's facebook page and contact any of Tia's friends to see if they knew where she was

If Tia's phone was in NS's house did they try to get it working so they could contact friends on that and see if any messages had been left to indicate where Tia was.

DN stated that Tia had a friend to stay overnight and they were on the couch together when he left for work. Yet he also stated that as Tia was about to leave she found her phone was not working so borrowed her mothers.
 
Clio said:
That's intertesting.

BIB And this is the important bit. Assuming that they can find a cause of death and it goes to trial, it won't matter a jot that it wasn't pre-meditated.

What it will come down to is whether, at the point in time the accused did whatever he/she did, did they know that it would result in death.
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Yes! ;)
 
Skigh said:
I still think it is strange to be twitterering celebrities about Tia being missing.

DN stated that Tia had a friend to stay overnight and they were on the couch together when he left for work.
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Skigh -agree with all your points. I wonder if you can recall where you read this bit quoted above? I thought I hadn't missed anything, but I missed this. I also didn't know that DN worked.

Cheers
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Skigh -agree with all your points. I wonder if you can recall where you read this bit quoted above? I thought I hadn't missed anything, but I missed this. I also didn't know that DN worked.

Cheers
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Does this help?

The builder, 29, said: "We just keep looking for her, keep appealing for her.

"I haven't slept for four days nor has my girlfriend. Natalie is in bits, absolute bits, how would it feel if it was your girl?

"I last saw her on Thursday morning when I was going to work. She was with her friend on the couch, her friend stayed the night before.
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From http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/...Tia_Sharp_s_step_father_makes_emotional_plea/
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Skigh -agree with all your points. I wonder if you can recall where you read this bit quoted above? I thought I hadn't missed anything, but I missed this. I also didn't know that DN worked.

Cheers
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from Croydon Guardian

The builder, 29, said: "We just keep looking for her, keep appealing for her.

"I haven't slept for four days nor has my girlfriend. Natalie is in bits, absolute bits, how would it feel if it was your girl?

"I last saw her on Thursday morning when I was going to work. She was with her friend on the couch, her friend stayed the night before.

"I know I'm not her real dad but I've been there since day dot. She's my little girl and I want her back.

I cannot find article about mobile phone as quite a few articles have been removed. There are articles about it which have previously been quoted on here.
 
kaos said:
Does anybody know if all Twitter times are in US time? I was going to put the first #findtiasharp tweet from MPS as part of the timeline but it states it was at 3.42am on 4th august but not sure if that's UK time or US time.
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graceholl said:
They should be in sync with your computer/browser times. I see all the times correctly on Twitter. So 3.42am is probably correct GMT time :)
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So does that fit then?

TS reported missing about 10pm on Friday 3rd August, Police arrive some time after that, spend some time questioning SH/CS then issue the "missing" tweet at 3:42am on the Saturday morning.

What's still not clear to me is who actually reported TS missing. I have the feeling that the story is SH/CS went to the fair, followed the 130 bus back to The Lindens then went to NS/DNs house then back to their own house.

If the 10pm time is correct then my feeling is that the call to the police was probably made from NS's house. So where did the police go I wonder. Directly to the Lindens as that is where TS was last seen I am assuming but I could be wrong.
 
Just checked Twitter again and yes that 3.42am timestamp would be UK time...so make of it what you will!
 
Clio said:
So does that fit then?

TS reported missing about 10pm on Friday 3rd August, Police arrive some time after that, spend some time questioning SH/CS then issue the "missing" tweet at 3:42am on the Saturday morning.

What's still not clear to me is who actually reported TS missing. I have the feeling that the story is SH/CS went to the fair, followed the 130 bus back to The Lindens then went to NS/DNs house then back to their own house.

If the 10pm time is correct then my feeling is that the call to the police was probably made from NS's house. So where did the police go I wonder. Directly to the Lindens as that is where TS was last seen I am assuming but I could be wrong.
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I am not sure from which house Tia was reported missing.
Did they all drive back to the Lindens and then report her missing or did they report her missing and the police visited them at Merton to take details.

It is not clear either whether there was anyone at the Linden's waiting to see if Tia returned whilst they visited the fair and then Merton.
 
"Metropolitan Police ‏@metpoliceuk
Have you seen Tia Sharp, 12, who went missing in New Addington on 03.08. Call police on 101 ref 12MIS025216."

This was Sat 4/8/12 at 12.57 pm. First Met police tweet of her disappearance.
 
Skigh said:
It is not clear either whether there was anyone at the Linden's waiting to see if Tia returned whilst they visited the fair and then Merton.
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Another slight discrepancy in SH's story was that she did not have a key, but both he and CS went out looking for her. What if she had just come home a couple of hours late and hadn't been able to get in?
 
Hearts were in mouths in one scare moment this afternoon which saw the police ask Tia's mother, Natalie, to identify a pair of glasses and hair bobbles found behind a cordon in Goldcrest Way.

But a huge sigh of relief prevailed as the tearful mother confirmed the items did not belong to her daughter.


I wonder whether Tia's glasses were found with her body.
 
Skigh said:
Hearts were in mouths in one scare moment this afternoon which saw the police ask Tia's mother, Natalie, to identify a pair of glasses and hair bobbles found behind a cordon in Goldcrest Way.

But a huge sigh of relief prevailed as the tearful mother confirmed the items did not belong to her daughter.


I wonder whether Tia's glasses were found with her body.
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Source?

ETA Found it. It is at This is Croydon Today http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...yBMu6_OpDV0_iIflQ&sig2=16SbHQPyl-7YkKGkBONsVw
 
Since dogs have stronger senses than humans, I would think that it is safe to assume that they did not miss the body earlier. I really don't think that the police are that stupid too, to have messed up a search. IMO, JMO, the body was not there during the previous searches.
Why? How? Who? I cannot imagine. Possibly SH made a hole in the wall of the attic way back in 2003 to hide his stashes. Perhaps there were no neighbors then, and being a builder he could sort it out.

DS is suspiciously quiet, removing almost all traces of himself, bar some photos on PS's fb......
 
Crazy Mama said:
Since dogs have stronger senses than humans, I would think that it is safe to assume that they did not miss the body earlier. I really don't think that the police are that stupid too, to have messed up a search. IMO, JMO, the body was not their during the previous searches.
Why? How? Who? I cannot imagine. Possibly SH made a hole in the wall of the attic way back in 2003 to hide his stashes. Perhaps there were no neighbors then, and being a builder he could sort it out.

DS is suspiciously quiet, removing almost all traces of himself, bar some photos on PS's fb......
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Forgive me if I am being stupid - who is PS?

I want to agree with you that the body wasn't there prior to its discovery. But for the life of me I can't fathom another theory that stands up against the other facts that we have. Surely if the body hadn't been there police would have made a statement along the lines of "we believe that the body may have only been put in the loft recently" rather than publicly apologising to Tia's mum for "human error"

I guess one other theory is that the poor girl was not actually dead for the duration of the week...? But again this doesn't make sense in light of what else we know.
 
graceholl said:
Another slight discrepancy in SH's story was that she did not have a key, but both he and CS went out looking for her. What if she had just come home a couple of hours late and hadn't been able to get in?
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If they did ask someone to come and wait in the house I would have thought it would have been included in the story. There is no mention of them going around to neighbours.

Did they contact Natalie to see if she had returned to Merton when they first became worried .


No-one would leave the house empty when they were expecting someone to return.You would be hoping that any minute the person would return perhaps witing at the bus stop praying that she would get off,walking around the estate asking other children if they had seen her asking neighbours to help walk around.

Why not ask a friend to go around both local fairs to check.
 
Crazy Mama said:
Since dogs have stronger senses than humans, I would think that it is safe to assume that they did not miss the body earlier. I really don't think that the police are that stupid too, to have messed up a search. IMO, JMO, the body was not there during the previous searches.
Why? How? Who? I cannot imagine. Possibly SH made a hole in the wall of the attic way back in 2003 to hide his stashes. Perhaps there were no neighbors then, and being a builder he could sort it out.

DS is suspiciously quiet, removing almost all traces of himself, bar some photos on PS's fb......
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You're right about dogs having much better sense of smell. I think I have read on the order of 10000 times better than humans sense of smell.

I think when people hear 4 searches it sounds really bad, but when you break it down.......

1st search: Police only search Tia's room (Sat)

2nd search: Specialist search team search whole house including loft, for 2 hours. Miss body and no mention of using dogs. (Sun)

3rd "search": Wasn't a search. A body recovery dog was deployed to the house.(Wed)

4th search: Described by police as a "pre-planned search". Police find body. (Fri)

IMO, a officer conducting the search on Sunday missed the body when checking the loft. When the body recovery dog went in on Wednesday it indicated which then prompted the now confused police to plan a pre-planned search on Friday.

I really do think it that simple. *IF* it turns out that the body was moved at some point, I think that would make the police looking even more incompetent with them issuing a immediate apology.
 
graceholl said:
Forgive me if I am being stupid - who is PS?

I want to agree with you that the body wasn't there prior to its discovery. But for the life of me I can't fathom another theory that stands up against the other facts that we have. Surely if the body hadn't been there police would have made a statement along the lines of "we believe that the body may have only been put in the loft recently" rather than publicly apologising to Tia's mum for "human error"

I guess one other theory is that the poor girl was not actually dead for the duration of the week...? But again this doesn't make sense in light of what else we know.
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PS is Paul sharp father of Nalalie and David Sharp.

I cannot find the article to quote but it was also said that PS was friends with David Niles-it was David who told him Tia was missing-it quoted PS as saing he had been friends for a long time with DN.

On second thoughts it could be Tia's natural father he was friends with. I will try and find the article
 
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