State vs. Jason Lynn Young 03-01-12 (A.M. session: DT closing arguments)

nursebeeme said:

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bumping up as a preventative measure... please take the time to read it

Wolfpack said:

She can't be forced to testify. Sure, the defense team can subpoena her, but so what if she doesn't come? The Wake County DA's decide whether or not to press charges? Doesn't seem like a hard decision on my part.

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And where did I say anything about being forced to testify?
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fredwomble said:

Mr. Arrington is a former law enforcement officer. He heard talk of Cindy Beaver's tales and spoke with her privately about what she'd been telling people. As a good citizen, and having that background, he pushed Mrs. Beaver to contact Wake Co. Sheriff's Dept. She resisted. He made the call. You have to believe he would never imagine someone would invent a reason to insert themselves in a murder case after all. Regardless of their office reputation, that would likely be many times greater than her previous exaggerations.

Having now been forced into the case by her own imagination and desire for attention at work, she could not let go. Like Pat Young, you might say, she invented very clear details of what she witnessed. She apparently wanted to assist in the state's side of the case initially (perhaps not imagining her neighbor was the guility party). Long story short, she got too deep and pride (and fear?) would not allow her to say perhaps she invented aspects of what she witnessed. Regarding what she witnessed, I'd even strongly suggest that rather than "what" she witnessed, it's more likely she witnessed nothing that day at all. And now her thirst for attention...being the office celebrity, if you will...threatens justice for sociopath Jason Young's brutality.

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CB reminds me a lot of the older woman in the BC trial that was insistent she saw NC running the morning of her death. She testified how she'd called and called the police department and had been interviewed by at least two officers that I recall. She was IMO definitely in it for the attention and she wasn't going to back down.

Just the Fax said:

...Judge said he would also include the option of 2nd degree murder. He also said the jury will be told they can infer the defendant acted in concert with other(s), as long as they believe he was also there at the time of the murder.

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That may not technically fit what I think happened:

1) JY wanted MY dead for variety of reasons.

2) With a $2-4m policy collectible if she was murdered by someone other than him, it would not be excessively hard to recruit someone or someones(s) who might do it for the $$$ as accomplices. Perhaps it started as an innocent half joking conversation.

3) accomplices would have proof of his involvement in the event he didn't pay up after the fact, so they were confident of getting their share.

4) JY had another cell phone and/or one was secured for him by the accomplices - they kept in touch that night and after with this phone.

5) the accomplices would commit the murder, and of course leave CY untouched.

6) JY's plan was to come home in the middle of the night (forgot something important for trip) and discover the crime scene, call 911 immediately. His alibi had already been set by being seen on camera at the HI (he made sure of that). He did not want any other alibis for the trip back to Raleigh in case they had to go to plan B.

7) JY, after getting back to Birchleaf and looking over the crime scene (leaving his shoe print by accident), decided something needed to be fixed or cleaned up before calling 911 (CY? and/or something else), and it would create too much time between his arrival and calling 911 and/or he would risk leaving culpable traces at the scene in doing so. "And if they thinks it me you know what that means: no $$$ for any of us".

8) JY heads back to HI instead of calling 911. He called his accomplices and told them its now Plan B, they need to return and "fix" or clean up something, and that he was heading back to HI.

9) JY didn't count on being indicted for this. Accomplices of course did not/will not come forward, what reason would they possibly have to do so? And, what reason does JY have to rat them out when he thinks he could be aquitted or at the least not retried a third time?

(this is my refined and more detailed theory after this trial)

fifteen89 said:

:waitasec:
And where did I say anything about being forced to testify?
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Why would she need to "save face" as you said, if there's no danger of being compelled to testify. No need to even tell them why. Just, "I'm going out of town, and I can't testify for you, I think he's guilty anyways."

Morning peeps...

CB reminds me a LOT of my mom & grandmother. Way, way, way too many details in a story that took 20 seconds to happen, and that's all I'm saying.

And totally o/t, but I am so buying some snap 2-0's today, dang commercials on InSession!

Does he necessarily need to even be there for the murder to get charged with first degree? GritGuy, correct me if I'm wrong, but hiring a hit man is a felony. And if the murder occurred during commission of a felony, then he gets 1st degree under felony murder anyways, without necessarily having to be there when the fatal blow was wrought.

I believe her way more than I believe the store clerk..... MOO

everyone still have the "rainbow" bars? (off to check my teevee.... :escape: )

still pretty colors here

Whew...just made it back from my lab work...shades of attending the Indy 500 in my youth, lol...sheesh!!! Looks like I didn't miss anything. Omgoodness, I can breathe now.

Action now!

SteelerGirl43 said:

I agree.... I think its ashame that people have to be so nasty & attack her.....

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No kidding. If you do not believe a witness, that is ok. But the nasty attacks are not necessary IMO

As always, all your updates and comments are appreciated for those of us without sound !! :seeya:

It's on... Final Instructions.

Not hold not testifying against Jason.

Keep your phone off during deliberations.

No objections by State

Defense has restated their previous objections and been denied.

Wolfpack said:

Why would she need to "save face" as you said, if there's no danger of being compelled to testify. No need to even tell them why. Just, "I'm going out of town, and I can't testify for you, I think he's guilty anyways."

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Nothing I said was even talking about testifying. She would want to save face with her superivor and co-workers after repeatedly sharing her 'story' with them.

Reiterating to everybody to not having any contact with jurors whatsoever because it makes them really uncomfortable because they know who you are, they've seen you for 4 weeks.... having contact really freaks them out.

Stephens' warning to the courtroom about not talking to jurors--"if you walk up to them, start a conversation with them, even innocently, it really... freaks 'em out". Go Judge!

judge telling everyone not to talk to the jurors... don't even talk about sports, etc...

says any convo "freaks them out"

says he won't have this convo again...

Cammy needs to wake up, or she's going to be upset she missed the Defense's closing argument.