The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment

[ladeda7777]

Originally Posted by HastingsChi

It will be most interesting to see what strategy the defense takes with Fenton. In many ways the strategy that you suggest February would help reinforce the university's subtle and not so subtle actions which might paint Fenton as the scapegoat whose inaction is to blame. While I don't agree that it is all on Fenton, the university certainly seems to be leaking things to make the public think she's to blame.

Additionally, at this point we aren't sure that the defense will be presenting an insanity argument. Personally I hope they don't because I'd prefer the complete truth and all the facts to be revealed through arguing and questioning the evidence of the case and not a defense that completely focuses on Holmes' mental issues.

I think that the only reason she might be there is to speak on the Doctor/Patient privilege in regard to the package she received from james and the nature of the threats she suspected or what alarmed her enough to call the campus police and the threat team. Fenton can give a psychiatric/medical diagnosis but I am not sure if she could say that he is insane. Since insanity or sanity are legal terms. I don't know who makes that decision. But I'd like to know.

[February]

Originally Posted by HastingsChi

It will be most interesting to see what strategy the defense takes with Fenton. In many ways the strategy that you suggest February would help reinforce the university's subtle and not so subtle actions which might paint Fenton as the scapegoat whose inaction is to blame. While I don't agree that it is all on Fenton, the university certainly seems to be leaking things to make the public think she's to blame.

Additionally, at this point we aren't sure that the defense will be presenting an insanity argument. Personally I hope they don't because I'd prefer the complete truth and all the facts to be revealed through arguing and questioning the evidence of the case and not a defense that completely focuses on Holmes' mental issues.

We are on the same boat HastingsChi
Complete truth on this is what i want too.

But i think Fenton or her personal side is partially leaking informations too
The info about BETA , and telling BETA about it..
About telling the Campus Police about JH
IMO She has to protect her medical license..
Wonder why she's clouded by 2 lawyers paid for by the school...
and they even have separate lawyers too... 2 for her, 1 for the campus police, separate lawyers for the office of the dean , separate lawyer for the mental health services dept.

IMO Fenton's words are going to be powerful on this.
Could you imagine if she's the one who even wrote the Vicodine prescription for JH ...

[HastingsChi]

Originally Posted by February

IMO Fenton's words are going to be powerful on this.
Could you imagine if she's the one who even wrote the Vicodine prescription for JH ...

I don't think shrinks are allowed to legally prescribe painkillers that are considered controlled substances.

Regarding the leaks that would appear to be coming from Fenton's camp: it's important to remember that the university started this by their negative leaks about Fenton; because of their leaks, I have no problem with Fenton's folks leaking information to defend herself.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2

[jjenny]

Originally Posted by HastingsChi

I don't think shrinks are allowed to legally prescribe painkillers that are considered controlled substances.

Regarding the leaks that would appear to be coming from Fenton's camp: it's important to remember that the university started this by their negative leaks about Fenton; because of their leaks, I have no problem with Fenton's folks leaking information to defend herself.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2

Psychiatrists are MDs, therefore allowed to prescribe all the prescription meds.

[February]

Originally Posted by HastingsChi

I don't think shrinks are allowed to legally prescribe painkillers that are considered controlled substances.

Regarding the leaks that would appear to be coming from Fenton's camp: it's important to remember that the university started this by their negative leaks about Fenton; because of their leaks, I have no problem with Fenton's folks leaking information to defend herself.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2

Yes she can prescribe these meds.

I have a feeling that LE found out about Fenton because of the the NOTEBOOK that was addressed to her because if it is the school who provided Fenton's info first, they could have edited their website first before they leak it... people and the media crawled their website first and then the school later made it private .

On the negative leaks about Fenton, media/people went to dig her medical license and see if she has prior problems issuing and i also remember her EX talking to one media site about Fenton

But maybe this school were able to do some side comments off record to the media about her

[February]

oh wait - saw this on another thread... i find this negative leak on Fenton

DENVER - In a phone conversation about accused murderer James Holmes, A University of Colorado police officer discussed putting Holmes on a mental health hold in June, but his psychiatrist, Dr. Lynne Fenton, declined, sources told CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia.

http://m.thedenverchannel.com/w/news/story/71515193/

[rollinginit]

Jh withdrew his application to the UK

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21...ku-application

He was REJECTED from UO Alabama
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21...ama?source=pkg

"He may be extremely smart, but difficult to engage," that interviewer wrote. "Hard to tell how interested he is — maybe he just wasn't interested in my research."

[tezi]

I wasn't sure where to put this, so I decided to put it here.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ably-have-file

[HastingsChi]

Originally Posted by tezi

I wasn't sure where to put this, so I decided to put it here.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ably-have-file

Thanks for posting this tezi.

If anyone doesn't understand why many of us have a plethora of questions about this case and voice concern about things not quite adding up, the article tezi shared might help you see how bizarre, deceptive and odd everyone but Holmes seems to be acting...

[mishelly27]

Originally Posted by HastingsChi

Thanks for posting this tezi.

If anyone doesn't understand why many of us have a plethora of questions about this case and voice concern about things not quite adding up, the article tezi shared might help you see how bizarre, deceptive and odd everyone but Holmes seems to be acting...

Hastings, I 100 percent agree. This case is beyond bizarre. Many things are not adding up. I thought the university had said before he had no run ins with campus police a few days after this had happened? Anyone remember where I could find that article? I didn't see it anywhere

[HastingsChi]

Originally Posted by mishelly27

Hastings, I 100 percent agree. This case is beyond bizarre. Many things are not adding up. I thought the university had said before he had no run ins with campus police a few days after this had happened? Anyone remember where I could find that article? I didn't see it anywhere

Shortly after the massacre when the university took the no comment/no releasing information approach it was clear to me that they were trying to get all their ducks in a row in order to avoid litigation and being the focal point in media coverage at a time when emotions were very high. This became more apparent when negative info about the shrink was leaked.

That being said, as someone who has extensive experience in crisis communications public relations, I've never seen a more poorly executed crisis management effort. The university's conflicting statements have only increased their legal liability and raised a plethora of questions.

Law enforcement's conflicting statements and inability to explain several, let's call them, "oddities" is even more perplexing....

[DeadCat]

http://www.9news.com/dontmiss/303316...to-be-released

Highlights from the emails released:

•Once the university realized Holmes was a student of theirs, they instructed staff and students to not post on Facebook or Twitter about him.

[DeadCat]

In correspondence from Aug. 7, an assistant professor told colleagues that he interviewed Holmes for about 30 minutes during a recruitment visit in February 2011, then noted that his evaluation of Holmes was entered into an internal university system and was still available for examination.


In later correspondence, the campus director of academic support services suggested that the university was looking to get rid of that evaluation from the system.

Jim Finster, the campus director of academic support services, recalled that attorney Annalissa Philbin had 'instructed me to purge those data.'

'Admittedly, I have not completed that task yet, but was planning on doing it very shortly,' Finster wrote in an email to Philbin. 'Should I change those plans?'

It's unclear if Philbin responded, but the university's director of media relations forwarded the exchange to another attorney with a blunt message: 'What??'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2EKCiwqNV

[rollinginit]

Originally Posted by DeadCat

http://www.9news.com/dontmiss/303316...to-be-released

Highlights from the emails released:

From your link

Other highlights from the recently-released documents:

One of the emails showed Holmes was interested in a family-medicine residency position
One research assistant said in an email: "[Holmes] could have done this on campus instead of the movies."
Holmes wrote one person, saying he wanted to participate in an fMRI study - which stands for functional magnetic resonance imaging.
Holmes signed his emails "Cheers, James Holmes."

[rollinginit]

A University of Colorado psychiatrist treating suspected theater shooter James Holmes rejected an offer to put him on a 72-hour psychiatric hold after he told her on June 11 that he fantasized about killing "a lot of people," a source told The Denver Post.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ls-referencing

[rollinginit]

7:40PM EST December 10. 2012 - CENTENNIAL, Colo. — James Holmes, the suspect charged with the shooting spree at an Aurora theater that left 12 people dead and as many as 57 injured, mailed burnt currency to his University of Colorado psychiatrist, according to court testimony on Monday, KUSA-TV reported.

Holmes, who faces 166 counts of murder, attempted murder and other charges related to the shooting, was making his first appearance in court since he reportedly rammed his head into a wall at the Arapahoe County jail. The incident in November forced the postponement of an earlier hearing.

Holmes, 24, sat silently during Monday's proceedings, sporting a full beard, the

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...orado/1759189/