GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #4

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I don't think the plan was murder from the beginning...I think that came later, whether an argument over money happened, or something else, who knows at this point. But they would not be so bold on the videos, and approaching other people who would recognize or even know them, if they planned to find a victim for the purpose of killing. Maybe they refused to pay Jaren, or she refused to do something they asked. I also believe that the disposal (manner) of her body was a poor attempt to hide evidence, not ever imagining she would be found at all, much less so soon, tying them to being the last people she was seen with.

I hit a wall on this one. I'm shy of 100% certain that the guy on the video is the man in custody. Video guy looks stocky to me.

LE and people that know the suspect say it's the same guy, so I'm obviously completely wrong. I accept that. =\

IDK.....my perception's off or what have you. I recently had my eyes examined, so that's not it.

My thinking cap's not working. Ima just read awhile.
 
Welcome, aviatrix. That's an interesting theory. I don't believe it's come up before now. It could be that Jaren had caught wind of something and asked questions that set off a discussion. Then the truth came out and the two suspects freaked and reacted impulsively.

Perhaps Jaren got very upset when she realized that they were not going to pay her the $500 they had promised....and something about the other case came up....and things escalated from there.

The reason I think something else was happening here is because I read at first that she had been stabbed in the back. To be stabbed in the back means to me that she was physically fighting with someone and another person stabbed her. I then saw this changed to stabbed in the chest, but at first I saw stabbed in the back.

I think it is important -- they were together to pick up a third party - and knew they were on camera doing that. At some point in the evening after they escorted Jaren to their vehicle to head to their 500 dollar party or whatever - something big changed.

At this point I have to ask -- but why was the co-worker killed? Was that a robbery or a thrill killing? Maybe we need to go back and look at that murder to help decide what happened in this one.
 
Perhaps Jaren got very upset when she realized that they were not going to pay her the $500 they had promised....and something about the other case came up....and things escalated from there.

The reason I think something else was happening here is because I read at first that she had been stabbed in the back. To be stabbed in the back means to me that she was physically fighting with someone and another person stabbed her. I then saw this changed to stabbed in the chest, but at first I saw stabbed in the back.

I think it is important -- they were together to pick up a third party - and knew they were on camera doing that. At some point in the evening after they escorted Jaren to their vehicle to head to their 500 dollar party or whatever - something big changed.

At this point I have to ask -- but why was the co-worker killed? Was that a robbery or a thrill killing? Maybe we need to go back and look at that murder to help decide what happened in this one.

The other young woman was found dead in her bath tub...LE has not named her case as a murder. JMO
 
I'm not convinced yet that MAS and TS weren't just picking up Jaren for someone else. Its just a feeling I have...no facts. With other girls being asked to go b4 Jaren said yes, it makes me think she wasn't targetted either.

Jmo
 
I hit a wall on this one. I'm shy of 100% certain that the guy on the video is the man in custody. Video guy looks stocky to me.

LE and people that know the suspect say it's the same guy, so I'm obviously completely wrong. I accept that. =\

IDK.....my perception's off or what have you. I recently had my eyes examined, so that's not it.

My thinking cap's not working. Ima just read awhile.

It's not just you. I have felt that way since I saw them arrest TS. I think the guy in the video looks kind of built to me as well. Now granted, I haven't seen TS walk without shackles on...but I still sort of question it too. Maybe we are both crazy lol.
 
I hit a wall on this one. I'm shy of 100% certain that the guy on the video is the man in custody. Video guy looks stocky to me.

LE and people that know the suspect say it's the same guy, so I'm obviously completely wrong. I accept that. =\

IDK.....my perception's off or what have you. I recently had my eyes examined, so that's not it.

My thinking cap's not working. Ima just read awhile.

You are not alone! BUT I am :praying: that it will all come out in the "wash"!
I am 90% certain there is AT LEAST one more player, not publicly named, but being watched VERY CAREFULLY...
moo
 
The other young woman was found dead in her bath tub...LE has not named her case as a murder. JMO
Her family believes she was murdered... her name escapes me! I would link to the article I read. The sister said the thermostat was turned up to 85 degrees to hasten decomp.
I believe the autopsy determined she overdosed...
It could go either way... I just don't see someone planning to commit suicide WANTING her body to decay faster... maybe I am missing something!
She had a 3 yr old as well. Everything to live for per the family, but I know suicide is hard to accept, especially when it comes out of left field!
They thought that before Jaren was killed. Her murder sealed it for them... now they are certain and doing what they can to resolve the issue.
moo
found it!
"When my sister died, no one really listened to us," she said Thursday. "We know my sister's case was a murder."
"The case is still open, but the police just stopped investigating."
" There were missing items, she said, such as her cell phone, and someone had turned the thermostat in the room up to 85 degrees, accelerating decay."
http://12.68.233.230/40/article_6033.shtml

* why would a suicide case remain "open"?
 
I've never really participated in any type forum before so I hope yall will be patient with me & forgive any mistakes I may make. I have been following this case since the day JL came ashore in BSL. In fact that is how I discovered this site. I did not know JL, but with all I've read, the pics, the memorial pages etc. I now feel as though I did know her.She seemed to me to be a beautiful (inside & out), free spirited,ambitious, young woman who had so much life yet to live.How anyone could have committed this unfathomable act is just beyond comprehension for me. Whomever did do this is nothing less than pure evil & certainly deserves to have his/her life taken as well imo. This case for some reason just seems to haunt me day & night. It's as though I am possessed rather than obsessed with it.There has been so much media attention( which is a good thing in some ways) not to mention all the other outlets I.E. this sight , facebook etc. While there are many facts there is also much speculation. I do believe LE has much more info than any of us are aware of & that perhaps in the coming week we will have answers to many of our questions. I have been back & forth in what may have happened in this case. For some reason though I keep coming back to my original thoughts. I believe TS & MAS did have a plan on that night to pick up a girl from one of the clubs to have some sort of sexual whatever with. I don't believe however that Jaren was into that scene & TS knew that. That is why he approached her with the proposition of doing a private party for some quick cash. Perhaps they told her the party was in MS. If there is indeed video of the 3 of them together here that would mean at that point she was ok & thinking they were on the way to the party. Perhaps they stopped at a store for drinksor something. I'm not sure where they may have taken her from there, but I would imagine that would be when she realized there was no party & something was terribly wrong.Her brother described her as a fighter & said she would not have been taken without a fight.THis is where things get fuzzy for me. I read awhile back that someone said TS was let go from his job for messing with security system/surveillance camera in the club he was working. Did he know then he was going to go after a dancer & wanted to fix it so he would not be seen in the club or with the girl? Did he know in his sick mind he was going to kill her? Did MAS know that they were going to kill someone that night or did she honestly believe she was picking up a toy for the two of them? Had they played this game before? If so where are the other participants? Why haven't they come forward. Were they harmed as well? So many questions....so few answers. I think that when JL realized she'd been tricked & was in a bad situation she probably began to put up a fight, which would not have set well with TS. When JL refused to go along with their sick little sex game I think everything went really bad right then. Did they force themselves on her? I pray not. At this point though TS knew he could never let her go. He knew she would turn them in. In fact I think he knew when they took her whereever that she could never leave. He knew she had been seen with them & he knew she could bring him & MAS down. So yes I think he planned to kill her all along. Was MAS aware this was going to happen beforehand? I'm honestly not sure.She doesn't seem to have tried to stop it nor to speak out about it once they wew caught. whether she participated in the actual killing & dismemberment or not she was there & she still tries to cover it up so she is just as guilty as if she'd done it herself. TS was prepared to move on & she was willing to go right along with him.Perhaps now they travel that long road together that will lead them straight to the death chamber! They certainly deserve no less than this. I have a hard time believing anyone else was involved. They would be just another loose end to worry about.I think they dismembered her in hopes that the smaller pieces would be washed out & perhaps eaten by sharks or gators. I think all of this took place @ wherever they originally took her ( abandoned cabin, woods etc) near the water. They then went home cleaned up & MAS went to work. Of course she was very ill. After all she had just witnessed or participated in a murder & dismemberment of a young undeserving woman. WWWHHHYYYY????? THis was such a senseless, horriffic crime. So Jaren was a dancer. That did not make her less of a person. She was a mother, a daughter, sheworked an honest job & made honest pay all to support her family. She had a wonderful boyfriend who loved her unconditionally & was there for her & for their baby girl.She wasn't out on the corner soliciting, selling drugs or anything else illegal. Perhaps you would not have chosen her career as your own, but perhaps you wouldn't have been willing to go to any lengths to take care of your family the way she did. My thoughts & prayers go out to Jaren's family, To her BF & to her little girl. May you all find peace, comfort & strength in each other & in God. You have all suffered a life changing loss. Love & support each other. Jaren would want that I do believe. Dear Jaren You are "GONE TOO SOON". You will never be forgotten though. May you rest in peace with the angels. Thanks everyone for allowing me to share this. Sorry it's so long. Just needed to say it all to release.
 
I hit a wall on this one. I'm shy of 100% certain that the guy on the video is the man in custody. Video guy looks stocky to me.

LE and people that know the suspect say it's the same guy, so I'm obviously completely wrong. I accept that. =\

IDK.....my perception's off or what have you. I recently had my eyes examined, so that's not it.

My thinking cap's not working. Ima just read awhile.
I can't seem to reconcile in my mind that the guy in the surveillance video is TS, either. Nose looks larger on video guy, protrudes more. Body build looks different, too.
 
I can't seem to reconcile in my mind that the guy in the surveillance video is TS, either. Nose looks larger on video guy, protrudes more. Body build looks different, too.

In his SO registry it says he has a rose tattoo on his upper right arm and that's what I see in the surveillance pics. That's what convinced me it's the same guy. Perhaps he had lost some weight in his few days of hiding?
 
I'm late but but Happy Fathers day to all you dads out there. Way to go pops!!!!!

And for all the fathers that have had to give a child back. I give you this...

Native American Prayer

I give you this one thought to keep~
I am with you still ~~ I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush,
I am the swift, uplifing rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not think of me as gone ~~
I am with you still ~ in each new dawn
 
Gulfcoastgal,

I have the same thoughts and questions as you posted above.
I feel MAS stabbed Jaren out of jealousy, simple as that.

My opinion might change as new info comes to light though.

JMO
 
I can't seem to reconcile in my mind that the guy in the surveillance video is TS, either. Nose looks larger on video guy, protrudes more. Body build looks different, too.
The way he carried himself, IMO and moo only reminded me of a guy on "roids"
Taking roids to bulk up, but not doing the follow thru with the work out routine needed to produce the desired results...

A wanna-be of sorts... I just don't see TS in that video!
BUT didn't a dancer at Stilleto's say he WAS indeed there with MAS that evening?
People who knew the guy, they say it's him... SO I guess it is.

IMO TS is somewhat fair complected, blue eyed
with a skin type that would burn easily and freckle like crazy in the sun instead of tan.
MY eyes saw a dark haired (even with the goofy hat) olive? complected guy, the kind that would tan easily and almost never burn. * not Arab, Indian or anything... Italian or Greek maybe?:twocents:

People who knew MAS said that he didn't seem like her "type".
I wonder what they meant? Was he not the usual "macho" man she was usually known to be involved with? Was he older than most guys she dated? He is pretty clean cut.

Is it possible that TS went to Stilleto's and didn't go into Temptations because MAS knew Jaren would never agree to go if she knew he was involved, and a third wheel accompanied MAS for the invite??

:waitasec:I for one can not believe he was even allowed on the property at Stilleto's!!! one would think after being fired for what he did he would have been told he was no longer welcome and not allowed to even go into the club much less linger at a table while his girlfriend surfed for a "treat" for him!!!
moo
 
I've never really participated in any type forum before so I hope yall will be patient with me & forgive any mistakes I may make. I have been following this case since the day JL came ashore in BSL. In fact that is how I discovered this site. I did not know JL, but with all I've read, the pics, the memorial pages etc. I now feel as though I did know her.She seemed to me to be a beautiful (inside & out), free spirited,ambitious, young woman who had so much life yet to live.How anyone could have committed this unfathomable act is just beyond comprehension for me. Whomever did do this is nothing less than pure evil & certainly deserves to have his/her life taken as well imo. This case for some reason just seems to haunt me day & night. It's as though I am possessed rather than obsessed with it.There has been so much media attention( which is a good thing in some ways) not to mention all the other outlets I.E. this sight , facebook etc. While there are many facts there is also much speculation. I do believe LE has much more info than any of us are aware of & that perhaps in the coming week we will have answers to many of our questions. I have been back & forth in what may have happened in this case. For some reason though I keep coming back to my original thoughts. I believe TS & MAS did have a plan on that night to pick up a girl from one of the clubs to have some sort of sexual whatever with. I don't believe however that Jaren was into that scene & TS knew that. That is why he approached her with the proposition of doing a private party for some quick cash. Perhaps they told her the party was in MS. If there is indeed video of the 3 of them together here that would mean at that point she was ok & thinking they were on the way to the party. Perhaps they stopped at a store for drinksor something. I'm not sure where they may have taken her from there, but I would imagine that would be when she realized there was no party & something was terribly wrong.Her brother described her as a fighter & said she would not have been taken without a fight.THis is where things get fuzzy for me. I read awhile back that someone said TS was let go from his job for messing with security system/surveillance camera in the club he was working. Did he know then he was going to go after a dancer & wanted to fix it so he would not be seen in the club or with the girl? Did he know in his sick mind he was going to kill her? Did MAS know that they were going to kill someone that night or did she honestly believe she was picking up a toy for the two of them? Had they played this game before? If so where are the other participants? Why haven't they come forward. Were they harmed as well? So many questions....so few answers. I think that when JL realized she'd been tricked & was in a bad situation she probably began to put up a fight, which would not have set well with TS. When JL refused to go along with their sick little sex game I think everything went really bad right then. Did they force themselves on her? I pray not. At this point though TS knew he could never let her go. He knew she would turn them in. In fact I think he knew when they took her whereever that she could never leave. He knew she had been seen with them & he knew she could bring him & MAS down. So yes I think he planned to kill her all along. Was MAS aware this was going to happen beforehand? I'm honestly not sure.She doesn't seem to have tried to stop it nor to speak out about it once they wew caught. whether she participated in the actual killing & dismemberment or not she was there & she still tries to cover it up so she is just as guilty as if she'd done it herself. TS was prepared to move on & she was willing to go right along with him.Perhaps now they travel that long road together that will lead them straight to the death chamber! They certainly deserve no less than this. I have a hard time believing anyone else was involved. They would be just another loose end to worry about.I think they dismembered her in hopes that the smaller pieces would be washed out & perhaps eaten by sharks or gators. I think all of this took place @ wherever they originally took her ( abandoned cabin, woods etc) near the water. They then went home cleaned up & MAS went to work. Of course she was very ill. After all she had just witnessed or participated in a murder & dismemberment of a young undeserving woman. WWWHHHYYYY????? THis was such a senseless, horriffic crime. So Jaren was a dancer. That did not make her less of a person. She was a mother, a daughter, sheworked an honest job & made honest pay all to support her family. She had a wonderful boyfriend who loved her unconditionally & was there for her & for their baby girl.She wasn't out on the corner soliciting, selling drugs or anything else illegal. Perhaps you would not have chosen her career as your own, but perhaps you wouldn't have been willing to go to any lengths to take care of your family the way she did. My thoughts & prayers go out to Jaren's family, To her BF & to her little girl. May you all find peace, comfort & strength in each other & in God. You have all suffered a life changing loss. Love & support each other. Jaren would want that I do believe. Dear Jaren You are "GONE TOO SOON". You will never be forgotten though. May you rest in peace with the angels. Thanks everyone for allowing me to share this. Sorry it's so long. Just needed to say it all to release.

:Welcome1::welcome3:
 
We've talked about the more recent cases of dismemberment... this is a bit older, lesser known case of dismemberment...

Karyn Slover was shot 7 times, dismembered and put in the lake.

She had just regained custody of her son and was possibly leaving the state with the child.

Her ex husband and his parents were convicted of the crime.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/mbb204_karyn_slover/4.html

We have seen serial killers do this... we've seen family/spouses do it... we've seen neighbors do it.
We've even seen other in-laws and ex husbands working together do it.
The dismemberment doesn't indicate to me WHO is responsible... just that they are twisted.
 
The way he carried himself, IMO and moo only reminded me of a guy on "roids"
Taking roids to bulk up, but not doing the follow thru with the work out routine needed to produce the desired results...

A wanna-be of sorts... I just don't see TS in that video!
BUT didn't a dancer at Stilleto's say he WAS indeed there with MAS that evening?
People who knew the guy, they say it's him... SO I guess it is.

IMO TS is somewhat fair complected, blue eyed
with a skin type that would burn easily and freckle like crazy in the sun instead of tan.
MY eyes saw a dark haired (even with the goofy hat) olive? complected guy, the kind that would tan easily and almost never burn. * not Arab, Indian or anything... Italian or Greek maybe?:twocents:

People who knew MAS said that he didn't seem like her "type".
I wonder what they meant? Was he not the usual "macho" man she was usually known to be involved with? Was he older than most guys she dated? He is pretty clean cut.

Is it possible that TS went to Stilleto's and didn't go into Temptations because MAS knew Jaren would never agree to go if she knew he was involved, and a third wheel accompanied MAS for the invite??

:waitasec:I for one can not believe he was even allowed on the property at Stilleto's!!! one would think after being fired for what he did he would have been told he was no longer welcome and not allowed to even go into the club much less linger at a table while his girlfriend surfed for a "treat" for him!!!
moo


FYI- This is in response to the red highlighted question asked above in the quote-I read somewhere that one of MAS's friends said TS seemed too normal for her. It's in one of the many many articles I've read about our sweet JL.
 
Have we discussed MAS' most recent place of employment? I've been told that on Wednesday, June 6th, she reported for her job as a bartender in NO East feeling very ill.

I remember reading that one of the strippers said that TS and MS mentioned the "party" was in East New Orleans.

As for the hunting knife, it is not an ideal knife for stabbing because it is only sharp on one edge, whereas a dagger is more ideal for stabbing. However, hunting knives are a good tool for skinning and cutting meat. To stab with the hunting knife would have taken a great deal of force, but once it was in, it would have made a more-than-adequate-sized hole that could have caused heavy blood loss, where making an additional stab wound would not have been necessary. I am thinking the same knife used to kill JL was used to dismember her. It is possible this hunting knife was laying around a fish camp or cabin, but I think TS was carrying it all along. Someone earlier said he was known to carry a knife on him.
 
I was watching that tonight also...kinda creepy!
But it was a mountain of information IMO!

We've talked about the more recent cases of dismemberment... this is a bit older, lesser known case of dismemberment...

Karyn Slover was shot 7 times, dismembered and put in the lake.

She had just regained custody of her son and was possibly leaving the state with the child.

Her ex husband and his parents were convicted of the crime.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/mbb204_karyn_slover/4.html

We have seen serial killers do this... we've seen family/spouses do it... we've seen neighbors do it.
We've even seen other in-laws and ex husbands working together do it.
The dismemberment doesn't indicate to me WHO is responsible... just that they are twisted.
 
Hey Ya'll!!

Just checking in. Figured we wouldn't get any updates till mon.

Just wanted to reply to a few of the posts I read in the last 4 pages. In the video shot from the door in temptations, that is definitely MAS and TS. With out a doubt. We know them from around the quarter and have worked with MAS before.

Hope it helps!
 
I can't seem to reconcile in my mind that the guy in the surveillance video is TS, either. Nose looks larger on video guy, protrudes more. Body build looks different, too.

I'm with you on that one. I've seen him a ton in the past, even had words with him on a couple occasions, and it still doesn't look like him on that video. Strange.
 
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