17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #22

Storm · Apr 11, 2012

codecracker said:
reading the Florida Statues....I am not sure he can be charged with the 1st Degree Felony....it takes more then TM being under 18.....the aggravated manslaughter of a child 1st degree has more to do with child abuse

What is more abusive than murdering? ^i^

Phoenixfla · Apr 11, 2012

Dr. Know? said:
A/P "Official" (unidentified source)

snipped

The law enforcement official said that authorities knew where Zimmerman was and were planning to arrest him soon rather than let him turn himself in. The official said he was not in Florida

more at link

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

If FL LE is going to arrest him (rather than let him turn himself in) then he must be of FL or else they would not have the jurisdiction to arrest him.

LolaMoon08 · Apr 11, 2012

Dr. Know? said:
A/P "Official" (unidentified source)

snipped

The law enforcement official said that authorities knew where Zimmerman was and were planning to arrest him soon rather than let him turn himself in. The official said he was not in Florida

more at link

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

BBM I don't like the words "knew" and "was." Those are past tense? Are they telling us that they don't know where he is now?

ETA: And I just seen the "were" ... of boy!!

Dr.Fessel · Apr 11, 2012

Smelly Squirrel said:
Ok, thank you.

I didn't think they had been. I've googled and found nothing.

Here is where she says she made a mistake.

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tehcloser · Apr 11, 2012

phoenixfla said:
if fl le is going to arrest him (rather than let him turn himself in) then he must be of fl or else they would not have the jurisdiction to arrest him.

f.b.i.

Dr.Fessel · Apr 11, 2012

LolaMoon08 said:
BBM I don't like the words "knew" and "was." Those are past tense? Are they telling us that they don't know where he is now?

If he is out of state I say he is in NY.

Sensei · Apr 11, 2012

frenchvixen said:
Does anyone know if he can still invoke SYG in regards to a minor?

I would imagine that you can since a gun in the hands of a 10 yr old kid will kill you just as dead as it will in the hands of a 50 yr old, but it turns things on their head when the kid is 17 and unarmed. IMO JMHO and stuff.

BetteDavisEyes · Apr 11, 2012

LolaMoon08 said:
I just did the math... if took us 21 full threads and just over 23,000 posts to get to this point. Amazing!

Glad that you found something "productive" to do while we wait

I feel like I'm watching grass grow.

nursebeeme · Apr 11, 2012

The lack of an arrest has led to protests across the nation and spurred a debate about race and the laws of self-defense.
Corey may have been forced to make a move after Zimmerman's former attorneys dropped the bombshell.

I don't know if I agree with the above but found it interesting anyhoo
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/state-attorney-make-major-announcement-trayvon-mar/nMXBW/

Phoenixfla · Apr 11, 2012

tehcloser said:
f.b.i.

Would require federal charges, no? State charges mean that if he was in another state, and refused to come to Florida, he would have to be arrested in that state and extradited.

Am I wrong?

uvamerica · Apr 11, 2012

Can I ask a question (mods), now that GZ is being charged, are we to still consider him a victim ?

(not that I ever thought he was)

RANCH · Apr 11, 2012

It looks to me that aggravated manslaughter of the 1st degree is punishable by a maximum of 30 years and a $10,000 fine.

3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(3) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) For a felony of the first degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 30 years or, when specifically provided by statute, by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment.

b) $10,000, when the conviction is of a felony of the first or second degree.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.07.html

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.082.html

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.083.html

nursebeeme · Apr 11, 2012

wesh livewire:
http://livewire.wesh.com/Event/Prosecutor_Announces_Decision_On_Trayvon_Martin_Case

LolaMoon08 · Apr 11, 2012

BetteDavisEyes said:
Glad that you found something "productive" to do while we wait I feel like I'm watching grass grow.

:floorlaugh: I always find something to wrap my brain around! I'm really pathetic. :floorlaugh:

w1df10wr · Apr 11, 2012

Dr.Fessel said:
If he is out of state I say he is in NY.

Or Virginia, where he was born and raised? imo.

tehcloser · Apr 11, 2012

Phoenixfla said:
Would require federal charges, no? State charges mean that if he was in another state, and refused to come to Florida, he would have to be arrested in that state and extradited.

Am I wrong?

The f.b.i. involvement gets gray/confusing when a kid is involved....or there may be more than state charges coming?

Cher352 · Apr 11, 2012

Anyone know anything about the FL statute this article is talking about?

Moreover, the Florida statute provides an additional layer of protection to a defendant claiming self-defense: A judge must decide whether the defendant is "immune from prosecution," that is, if the judge believes his actions fall under the law of self-defense.

So the following mixed outcome is certainly possible: The special prosecutor indicts; the judge does or doesn't grant immunity; if he doesn't, the jury acquits.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/opinion/dershowitz-trayvon-prosecutor-nightmare/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

LolaMoon08 · Apr 11, 2012

w1df10wr said:
Or Virginia, where he was born and raised? imo.

BBM :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

There is a reason that is funny to me! Anyone who knows who Curtis Jackson is will get it. Best Websleuths thread ever!

beach · Apr 11, 2012

uvamerica said:
Can I ask a question (mods), now that GZ is being charged, are we to still consider him a victim ?

(not that I ever thought he was)

Good question.

I will check with the top brass and get y'all a direct answer asap. Hang on until then please.

logicalgirl · Apr 11, 2012

I have been reading you all since this case broke and want to tell all WS friends how much I love and admire their support. I haven't jumped into commenting on this one, although I read everything everywhere about it. But I'm still tender from the Caylee "mess" and am here with you all - but staying in the background for now. Justice for Trayvon and Justice for Tori Stafford!
Hugs to all!

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