Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

3doglady said:

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around KC administering chloroform with a needle. How does that fit with the large quantity of chloroform in the trunk? My earlier thoughts were that she spilled it while trying to put it on a cloth to hold over Caylee's mouth and nose. I guess that image came from the old movies I've seen. KC's too young to have seen those, did she just assume it should be given via injection?

Did KC spill the chloroform while trying to aspirate it from the Gatorade bottle into the syringe? Was Caylee already taped up and in the trunk? So many questions.

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Cat13067 said:

I would sure be curious to find out if CA was giving GA testosterone injections due to a medical condition. Wonder if the SA can get a hold of their medicsl records?

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panthera said:

I too think there's a lot more they haven't released yet. MOO

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Wudge said:

One reason you file a motion is to get information. If this is the best the State has or could come up with, and I suspect it is -- don't expect to see a separate fingerprint report -- it can't meet the burden of proof for murder one.

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3doglady said:

I agree that the T injections would not given by HH nurses. I was an ICU nurse which is a totally different animal but have a friend who is HH nurse. She actually does have long term patients because she is a wound care specialist and a lot of diabetics and older people heal slowly. Those patients have sharps containers in their homes. So as you said, chances are very slim that the needle was related to home health care.

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Curious Me said:

Casey's smart enough apparently to know to keep her choloform in a syringe, not an eye dropper. Hmm...but not smart...she left that bottle in a backpack with the remains. I still can't understand why so much other stuff was lugged to the remains site. How did the backpack get left there? Makes me think she just immediately wrapped Caylee in a blanket, backpack, ponies, and didn't give it a second thought.

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thedeviledadvocate said:

What if she never used chloroform. What if she was going to let Caylee swim, on the way to the pool the her cell phone rang, she started talking, not paying attention and Caylee climbed the ladder and drowned. Shortly after, Casey realized Caylee was dead and went into a total freaked out panic. She took Caylee inside, in a panic placed the duct tape on her mouth, grabbed whatever was close, placed her in the laundry bag, then the laundry bag in a couple of garbage bags, put her in the car, drove to the woods and dumped her. She went into denial, and never came out.
In my opinion that scenario is more plausible than anything I have heard about her making chloroform, then using it on Caylee, then leaving the syringe in a bottle at the dump site, but first driving around with a dead baby in her car for days, while she parties hardy and cant stay off the cellphone.

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ExpectingUnicorns said:

See, I just don't see that Casey is this self-controlled enough person to take on the task of making her own batch of chloroform. Do you have any idea how easily available it would be to her without making it herself?

And, just in case the placement of the syringe filled with testosterone, chloroform, ethanol and water was tossed in the same area as garbage and not really connected to Caylee ~ Do you know, right off the top of your head, anything (other drug or application) that it could possibly be? TIA.

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Jolynna said:

There is a LOT in the entomology report.

Bug activity narrows the time of death to June and early July. The thriving 'coffin fly' colony and the pitiful amount of "blow flies' points to Caylee going into the trunk right after death or even before she died. If Caylee's body had been out "blow flies" would have been first on the scene.

"Coffin flies' prefer putrefied goopy remains. Which is what would occur quickly in an oxygen deprived hot moist trunk. The way the bug colonies formed is exactly what would be expected if a body was bagged, put in a trunk, then left out in a marsh and finally submerged.

Neal Haskell is a bug and murder genius. He knows his stuff and will put it in a way the jury willl get.

Google Brookey West. She killed her mother and stuffed her in a garbage can. The lack of blow flies and presense of coffin flies got West convicted. Neal Haskell's testimony put West behind bars. He will be able to explain how well the bug evidence and the condition of Caylee fits the circumstances.

P.S. There was no pizza in the trashbag. The oscar meyer salami container was empty. The velveeta foil looks wiped clean. The coffin flies in the trunk were thriving because what they like best is putrefaction that is starting to jell and is goopy. Which would have been Caylee's condition after 4 days in that hot anaerobic moist environment.

jmo

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Cat13067 said:

Mother's would call 911 not cover up an accident, sorry.

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DogMom2JoeAndWillie said:

I don't think she'd have any trouble getting her hands on some... makes more sense than making it. I mean, if I wanted some chloroform I'd just go up to the college I went to and I could easily pick some up. It's a pretty common solvent in lab work, anybody that REALLY wants to get their hands on some would probably be able to snatch it from our Organic Lab, P-Chem Lab, any of the research labs, or even from the chemical stockroom. If she didn't do that she could have just logged onto Sigma-Aldrich or Fisher Scientific and ordered a couple liters of it. I don't think you have to have a license to order supplies from a chemical company... but I've never tried to order something for personal use. I do know that anybody can log into their website and set up an account... go and try it out... see for yourself how easy it is. Kinda scary when you think about it, huh?
I have no idea about what could have been in that syringe. Nothing comes to mind right off... but I'll think on it, do some research, and ask around for some ideas.

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leila said:

i think there's a lot more that hasn't been released. When i first learned of today's document dump, and the syringe, i immediately thought about a media report that was in the local media about a week or two after the announcement late last december that the remains found on december 11th were those of caylee anthony.

In that media report, it stated that many investigators working on the anthony case believed caylee was deceased but felt her death was accidental. It was reported that after caylee's remains were found, every one of those investigators who had previously thought her death to be accidental had now concluded that caylee's death was a homicide.

It became apparent that there was something at the scene where caylee's remains were found that was definitive, something that made it readily apparent that caylee's death was a homicide. There was a lot of speculation here on what sort of definitive evidence might have been found.

Likely by the end of december 2008/early january 2009, the investigators knew the results of the tests on contents of the gatorade bottle and syringe. If there were fingerprints on the gatorade bottle and/or syringe, and if there was dna on the gatorade bottle, that is now known too.

If any fingerprints other than casey anthony's, or dna other than casey anthony's were found, there would have been another arrest in this case. But, there remains only one arrest, and one suspect, and that is casey anthony.

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jai-yen said:

This is all very interesting but I'm thinking this is something Casey did without Cindy's knowledge. She (KC) did show up at Cindy's workplace fairly often and could have stolen the syringe out of the medical trash that would have been at the office. I'm assuming the nurses who went out on call had to account for their use of materials and probably brought them back to Gentiva. If KC knew about it or saw it, she might have snarfed it right there.

Perhaps someone who works in that field might know something about how home nurses dispose of their medical waste.


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3doglady said:

Just thinking out loud here. If KC did steal the chloroform from a friend who used it for recreational purposes that bottle could have been around for a while. Young guys can be real slobs. Ethanol is the same as grain or drinking alcohol. So its possible some drank from the bottle and left it in the apartment. Then KC's friend decides to pickup some chloroform from his supplier and grabs the bottle to put it in. All the chemicals found in the bottle didn't have to be put in there at the same time did they?

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Yorkiegurl said:

I used to breed dogs and we could get syringes and needles from the vet supply catalogs for giving immunizations. They are very easy to come by...no prescription needed.

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Cat13067 said:

Mother's would call 911 not cover up an accident, sorry.

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