AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #5

seekjustice said:

Any mother who can say such horrific, disgusting things about killing her own child and describing his "blue body" is very, very much capable of taking his life and discarding of him.

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Ives said:

**cough** well considering I am 10 weeks preggo, with 3 very small children, and proof of pregnancy, I could probably find out how some of these places could "help" me??

I would like to go to the motel, but I ALWAYS have my 3 small children with me. and want safety for them first. Not to mention, I am all the way on the south side, and my poor 91 caprice- with bad tires may not like me so much, driveing so far, LOL.

Do we know what Hotel? I also have a friend closer to that side of town, and she recently gave a child up to a great cople for adoption. I remember they helped pay her bills and such. the couple even gave her a few rides after, and some cash once or twice, not much, maby 20 bucks to help her feed her other child. also she "did not know who the father was" ( I think she did, and have a small grudge against her, but in the end, she did what was best I guess), so... either way, she ended up telling him later. he is now Ok with it.

Oh man... Now that I think about it, the couple, have since moved to south America, the father was offered a job in a church or something like that?? OK, tell me I am crazy. My mind is grabbing at straws!!

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Amster said:

Originally Posted by mum View Post
Go to the hotel where EJ stayed and ask the pregnant girls which adoption agency pays for their stay there. Ask them if they met EJ.

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How do you know all of this info.? Are these legitimate adoption agencies? Maybe momsters expenses were paid.....interesting.

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Amster said:

Thanks....so at this particular hotel, there is an ongoing scam? Or, is it legit? Does LE know about it?

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WillenFan21 said:

I'm not understanding what is so hard to believe about that or why you think it is fake tears? People here on websleuths have cried when they have read about the possibility that a child has died when they have are following a case. I'm sorry I find your comment rude. I know you are just venting but Nancy would NEVER fake crying over a case where the chances are the child is dead. People here on WS get attached to cases so I don't get why you would think that Nancy wouldn't get attached too.

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mum said:

All depends. One is not suppose to bring moms over state lines for the purpose of adoption, but it happens all the time. There is no scam, but unethical as all get out. If LE is doing there job then they should know about it.

EJ could have very well told an agency "I trust you, you choose Gabriel's new parents" and she MIGHT have met them at the park and handed him over to the new family, as an agency would see it as a "mutual place" and a "happier place" then an office or hotel room.

No matter what NG says about "handing your child over to strangers" it does happen more often then people know.

I still question TPS in regards to her request for prayers for EJ and GJ as she was going underground and getting help. An agency would have wired money to EJ if she needed it. They would have also covered some expenses for her after placement.

I believe EJ went to florida because it was "far away" and somewhere she thought she could get lost for awhile. She would have needed to stay put for a few months until finaliaztion. Not sure how long that would have been in TX, I would have to look that up.

Also, if I haven't said it here. Adoption Services Associates place with couples in International Countrys. France and Belgium for sure.

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mum said:

Two agencys that have used this hotel is Adoption Services Associates and Adoption Alliance. Both very close to the hotel and park.

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mgardner said:

I know your hearts in the right place, but think of your safety, and your childrens safety. I wouldn't go to the motel if I were you. Stay safe my friend. Mel

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mum said:

I think a search between San Antonio and Victoria TX is in order on a massive scale.

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The phone pinged in Victoria on the 28th and she was already in Florida or almost there on that day? Who had her phone?

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Flmomof2 said:

I just found this thread mostly a lurker but decided to join and post.

Anyhow, my question is who has been caring for this baby for the last 8 months? Grandparents, nannies, dad? It seems odd to me to just suddenly want to give away/adopt your baby after you have spent so many months caring/bonding with him. I could see it more if she hadnt bonded with him at all and let others care for him all along. In the photos he looks clean, happy and well cared for so someone must have been meeting his needs.The media makes it seem as if EJ just up and decided one day she no longer wanted him and then fled/killed or gave him away. You would think it would have happened soon after he was born since the first few months are the hardest and most demanding. In Casey Anthony, the bonding was never there from the start so its easier for me to see how she could do it. Also was CPS involved with the family? The smiths statement about all EJ's "parenting" classes make me think it may have been court ordered in the past.

I pray Gabriel is safe and with good people and not in a dumpster

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Baznme said:

Of course it's possible. What can he say other than what he's already said? He's in the dark here.

Now, EJ is saying it's possible he's not the father!? She just doesn't quit, does she? She wants him and another guy to take a paternity test to see which one is Gabriel's father. That's what is foremost on her mind right now, not her child's safety. She's heII bent on hurting this guy no matter how far she has to go.

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Ives said:

do not worry! LOL, I was thinking more along the lines of calling a few of the agencies, to see how they could "help" a poor, homeless mother in the "family way"(I am not homeless FYI, poor, just a little)

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mum said:

All depends. One is not suppose to bring moms over state lines for the purpose of adoption, but it happens all the time. There is no scam, but unethical as all get out. If LE is doing there job then they should know about it.

EJ could have very well told an agency "I trust you, you choose Gabriel's new parents" and she MIGHT have met them at the park and handed him over to the new family, as an agency would see it as a "mutual place" and a "happier place" then an office or hotel room.

No matter what NG says about "handing your child over to strangers" it does happen more often then people know.

I still question TPS in regards to her request for prayers for EJ and GJ as she was going underground and getting help. An agency would have wired money to EJ if she needed it. They would have also covered some expenses for her after placement.

I believe EJ went to florida because it was "far away" and somewhere she thought she could get lost for awhile. She would have needed to stay put for a few months until finaliaztion. Not sure how long that would have been in TX, I would have to look that up.

Also, if I haven't said it here. Adoption Services Associates place with couples in International Countrys. France and Belgium for sure.

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Ives said:

do not worry! LOL, I was thinking more along the lines of calling a few of the agencies, to see how they could "help" a poor, homeless mother in the "family way"(I am not homeless FYI, poor, just a little)

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Marigold said:

It is my understanding that Gabriel, Logan and Elizabeth lived together as a family until Elizabeth threw Logan out. Offhand, I don't remember if that was late November or early December, but I'm pretty sure that both parents were active in Gabriel's life until they split up.

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time said:

The phone pinged in Victoria on the 28th and she was already in Florida or almost there on that day? Who had her phone?

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Dear Prudence said:

Every news article I have read states the cell phone pinged in Victoria on the 27th of Dec. the same day EJ left San Antonio on a bus. Could someone please post a link if they found it is actually on the 28th? Thanks.

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