Killing Fields North - Montgomery County

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JeannieC said:
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf

Her picture is at the link. If anyone can figure out how to post it here I would appreciate it.
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JeannieC said:
I have choosen to post missing and murdered from MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE Cold Case Squad – Homicide because I believe some of these cases are related to the killing fields. Some bodies have been recovered and some have not.

Serial Killers move around. One killing in Montgomery County probably killed in other counties surrounding Houston and Fort Worth. I believe there were several moving around in this area of Texas.

Some serial killers move the bodies to other areas so it is highly likely we could find someone missing from one county and remains located in another.

All of these cases are relevant to murders at the time. imo

I have not listed all the missing and murdered from Montgomery County. Please go out and take a look. Very frightening!

http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
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Just from the ones you posted...
They collected DNA PROFILE of a male on two or three of the ones you posted. Though they matched no one on record. I wonder if they tried to match them with each other? 2 or 3 killers just on the ones you supplied.

And I wonder if any of them would take a victims car and then use that vehicle in a short manor of time, to abduct and kill another before leaving it abandoned somewhere...........He may had been abandoning the vehicles where his was so he could leave the scene though just speculating.

Gloria Ann Stephan
Brenda Maureen Hackett
Just making a guess. But theirs a chance the person whom killed the one also killed the other.

Rita Mae Hughes......Perhaps a random abduction at the train station
since we do not know if she got on for sure or not.


Kristine Ann Budde........not knowing the distance between where she was and where she was found, if may had been a hit and run. Or she could have been abducted from the parking area where she was scene and made an escape from the moving vehicle and he killed her for it by hitting her with the car, they said evidence indicated the vehicle went back to where she was laying, perhaps he did to see if she was dead.

Laura Jean Donez
Laura Marie Purchase
*(Deanna Lynn Ogg)
*(And perhaps you could add ) her to the two.
Besides having he same first name. I would bet 70/30 that the same person whom killed the one killed the other almost exactly 30 days apart.
With same Mo as far as the method of death....strangulation and the setting of the fire in woods/logging area etc.

I only looked at the above for any comparisons I have not looked at any others.

THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART
NOTHING POSTED AS BEING FACT UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.
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kemo said:
Interesting stuff. It looks like there was a Serial Killer operating in Montgomery County in 1982-1984 who may have continued until the 1990's. His MO seemed to be to abduct women who were alone; often outside convenience stores. Apparently they brought the Henry Lee Lucas Road Show to town and were able to "clear the books" of a lot of their cold cases but this series of killing was never solved.

Montgomery Co is 40 miles North of Houston along I-45. Same freeway but the opposite direction of Galveston and the "killing fields". In the 1980's, it was rural (largest city Conroe) with an economy based on the fading oil and lumber industries. Now it a rapidly growing suburb of Houston.

No matter how similar or different two crimes are, LE can never be sure whether or not the same perp is involved without forensic identifying information. The sheer number of sexually motivated killing in such a small area, particularly in the years 1982-84, is pretty compelling evidence that one SK was doing most of it. What Happened? Did he die or get arrested for something else? Did he leave the area or just start operating in other parts of Metro Houston? Could he have stopped killing and still lives there today?

What is so distressing about the Killing Fields specifically and all the cases in the Houston area is not just the number of "low risk" type women who have died at the hands of sexual predators but the fact that most of these cases are unsolved and the killers are probably still out there.
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Ack, I wouldn't necessarily buy Henry Lee Lucas for having killed more than about 6 people. He was a known liar. On top of that, Montgomery Co. had internal problems back then, specifically a cop that was possibly protecting a relative who might have been a serial killer there. I'm working on that angle, but don't have all my ducks in a row to bring it up for discussion just yet.
 
Another possibility is that a serial killer, let's say from somewhere in or around Montgomery County owned a beach house at any of the beach or fishing locales off south I-45. If we have a person traveling back and forth between Galveston and Montgomery Co. routinely, it could lessen the number of possible suspects. it's a straight shot down I-45, and 68 miles or approx. 1 1/2 hours depending on traffic from Conroe to League City.
It's an hour and 40 mins. depending on traffic to get from Conroe to Galveston Island. This is not an unreasonable assumption to make distance wise. Much could depend on what kind of job a person had and how much free time he had.

I haven't taken a look at any time lines or checked out all the missiing or deceased women yet, but we could very well have at least one killer familiar with both territories, enough so that he felt completely comfortable operating in either locale. Obviously, some deaths have been attributed to certain people, but for the numerous others who remain unaccounted for as to their killers, we could look for a tie in between Galveston, Alvin, League City, Seabrook etc., and Montgomery County.

Thanks for all your work, JeannieC in looking up these old, cold cases. It's something that really needed doing, and is going to be so very helpful.

I want to add a very famous Texas case out of Montgomery Co. to this list, and that is the case of
Cheryl Dee Ferguson, a Bellville, TX volleyball player who was killed at Conroe High School August 23,1980. Clarence Brandley was framed, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death row for her murder, only to be released 10 years later. Two other names pop up as possible suspects, who like Brandley were employed at the school as janitors. I can't for the life of me understand why neither was ever charged, and one of them is possibly the killer of leisha Jackson, a Montgomery Co. girl. WTH was going on up in Montgomery County, and why haven't these men ever been charged? In the Ferguson case, the two were identified by eye witnesses as grabbing the girl who pleaded for help. In the other case, the possible perp lived a stone's throw from the victim, per info garnered from another site with similar focus as WS.

So here we have two cases with one possible perp involved in both. There are other murders that possibly fit. Wether or not this guy had any ties to the bays and beach locales, I haven't the foggiest as yet. But if not him, perhaps another possible perp might be out there who does have ties to both areas.
 
justthinkin said:
Ack, I wouldn't necessarily buy Henry Lee Lucas for having killed more than about 6 people. He was a known liar. On top of that, Montgomery Co. had internal problems back then, specifically a cop that was possibly protecting a relative who might have been a serial killer there. I'm working on that angle, but don't have all my ducks in a row to bring it up for discussion just yet.
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Please keep working on that. His protections just might have rolled into other counties. OR, we have another county with the same "protection" going on during that time. Like you I can't post it here yet. KWIM?
 
In 1976 the population of Conroe was close to 17,000. I doubt it would be that much more in 1979.

"Two and a half hours after she was last seen at the pier deputy L.B. Robinson arrived at the home of Lesia’s parents."
source: [PDF] PoliceNews Mont. Dec07
thepolicenews.net/html/tpnpwdec07.pdf
 
justthinkin said:
Another possibility is that a serial killer, let's say from somewhere in or around Montgomery County owned a beach house at any of the beach or fishing locales off south I-45. If we have a person traveling back and forth between Galveston and Montgomery Co. routinely, it could lessen the number of possible suspects. it's a straight shot down I-45, and 68 miles or approx. 1 1/2 hours depending on traffic from Conroe to League City.
It's an hour and 40 mins. depending on traffic to get from Conroe to Galveston Island. This is not an unreasonable assumption to make distance wise. Much could depend on what kind of job a person had and how much free time he had.

I haven't taken a look at any time lines or checked out all the missiing or deceased women yet, but we could very well have at least one killer familiar with both territories, enough so that he felt completely comfortable operating in either locale. Obviously, some deaths have been attributed to certain people, but for the numerous others who remain unaccounted for as to their killers, we could look for a tie in between Galveston, Alvin, League City, Seabrook etc., and Montgomery County.

Thanks for all your work, JeannieC in looking up these old, cold cases. It's something that really needed doing, and is going to be so very helpful.

I want to add a very famous Texas case out of Montgomery Co. to this list, and that is the case of
Cheryl Dee Ferguson, a Bellville, TX volleyball player who was killed at Conroe High School August 23,1980. Clarence Brandley was framed, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death row for her murder, only to be released 10 years later. Two other names pop up as possible suspects, who like Brandley were employed at the school as janitors. I can't for the life of me understand why neither was ever charged, and one of them is possibly the killer of leisha Jackson, a Montgomery Co. girl. WTH was going on up in Montgomery County, and why haven't these men ever been charged? In the Ferguson case, the two were identified by eye witnesses as grabbing the girl who pleaded for help. In the other case, the possible perp lived a stone's throw from the victim, per info garnered from another site with similar focus as WS.

So here we have two cases with one possible perp involved in both. There are other murders that possibly fit. Wether or not this guy had any ties to the bays and beach locales, I haven't the foggiest as yet. But if not him, perhaps another possible perp might be out there who does have ties to both areas.
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Great information! We'll have to get these girls listed here with pictures. Others might know something and can add to this. The more information we gather the better chance of solving these case.

HOPE LE IS READING! WE'RE HERE TO HELP!
 
justthinkin said:
In 1976 the population of Conroe was close to 17,000. I doubt it would be that much more in 1979.

"Two and a half hours after she was last seen at the pier deputy L.B. Robinson arrived at the home of Lesia’s parents."
source: [PDF] PoliceNews Mont. Dec07
thepolicenews.net/html/tpnpwdec07.pdf
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BBM

Justthinkin, can you post that with a link?
 
justthinkin said:
This is lengthy reading, but worth it. It pertains to the Clarence Brandley case, and mentions the names of the other two POIs in the murder of Cheryl Ferguson.
http://books.google.com/books?id=IC...page&q=brenda medina + james robinson&f=false
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WOW! So much information. We have Robinson who sold Amway and worked as a janitor at a school. At that time, Amway was sold door to door............

Acremen talked to Cheryl before her murder. A school janitor, taxi driver in Tx, long distance truck driver............

and of course Brandley, school janitor.

Then we have a non-responsive DA and over zealous LD tester!

Not an "innocent" one in the bunch!
 
1980 Case # 80-2138
Murder of Barbara Gale Whitten
July 8, 1980 – Wooded area, south of Roman Forest Blvd, New Caney, Texas
SYNOPSIS: At approximately 2:00 pm, a witness responded to the sight
of smoke in the area of the scene. Upon arrival, the witness observed what
appeared to be a log on fire and a 1976 – 1977 medium blue Chevrolet
Nova parked nearby. The Nova had what appeared to be two navy blue
racing stripes on the side. Two white males were observed closing the
vehicle trunk and upon entering the car, the males fled on Roman Forest
Blvd. MCSO Deputies responded and found that the fire involved a dead
body of a black female. Two freshly dug shallow holes were located
nearby. The victim was later identified by dental records as Barbara Gale
Whitten (23 yoa) from Wipprecht Street in Houston, Texas. An autopsy
revealed that she had been shot multiple times with a 22-caliber firearm.
In 1983, self-professed Serial Killer Henry Lee Lucas subsequently
confessed to several murders in Montgomery County, along with approx.
600 murders elsewhere. Investigators in 1983 thought that Lucas might
have been involved in Whitten’s murder. Lucas died in prison in 2001,
after his death sentence was commuted to life. Lucas had recanted his
confessions and it is believed that he is not responsible for most of the
crimes he confessed too.
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
[QUOTE]1985 Case # 85-28903
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains

November 29, 1985 – Lake Conroe, @ Rush Creek, Conroe, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On November 29, 1985, a citizen was fishing in Lake
Conroe, at Rush Creek, and hooked a human skull. MCSO Deputies
investigated and observed that the skull bore writing, which included
references to Japanese and World War II. MCSO Cold Case Detectives
have submitted the remains for DNA testing, Anthropological Analysis,
and submission to the Missing Persons / Unidentified DNA database.[/QUOTE]

http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
1995 Case # 95A011175
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains
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August 31, 1995 – Comer-Reinhart Rd ½ mile north of FM 1485, New Caney, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On August 31, 1995, a timber cutting crew unearthed
human skeletal remains in a concealed wooded area near the railroad
tracks, which was commonly used for illegal dumping. MCSO Deputies
responded and additional human remains were recovered from a shallow
grave at this location. Examination by experts revealed a possible
description: White or Hispanic female, 17 – 25 years of age, between
5’3” and 5’5” in height, a pearl type necklace and part of a “deck”
type shoe found with remains. MCSO Cold Case Detectives have
submitted the remains for DNA testing and submission to the Missing
Persons / Unidentified DNA database.
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
1998 Case # 98A008113
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains
June 11, 1998, – 600 block of Airline Drive, Conroe, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On June 11, 1998, a citizen was walking in a wooded area
behind his home in the 600 block of Airline Drive (Conroe, Texas) when
he observed what appeared to be the top portion of a skull protruding
from the ground. MCSO Deputies investigated and recovered additional
skeletal remains, along with a blue or black ball cap with a “Lone Star
Feed” logo. MCSO Cold Case Detectives have submitted the remains
for DNA testing and submission to the Missing Persons / Unidentified
DNA database.
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
1998 Case # 98A011288
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains
August 6, 1998 – 21000 block of Baptist Encampment Rd, New Caney, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On August 6, 1998, children playing in an abandoned
house in the 21000 block of Baptist Encampment Road (New Caney,
Texas) discovered human skeletal remains. MCSO Deputies
investigated and found that the remains were located on top of the
ground just inside the doorway. The area was flood prone. MCSO Cold
Case Detectives have submitted the remains for DNA testing,
Anthropological Analysis, and submission to the Missing Persons /
Unidentified DNA database
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
2002 Case # 02A000645
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains

January 12, 2002 – 20000 block of Hwy 105 East, Cleveland, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On January 12, 2002, MCSO Deputies met with a citizen
that had purchased an iron cauldron at a flea market located in the 20000
block of Hwy 105 East, Cleveland, Texas. The cauldron contained
books on the occult, along with a human skull. Investigation revealed
that the above articles had been purchased from a self-storage unit in
Houston, Texas, after nonpayment of rent. MCSO Cold Case Detectives have submitted the remains for DNA testing and submission to the
Missing Persons / Unidentified DNA database.
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf

OK.....throw things at me if you want, I just have to say it..........Be careful what you leave in your storage unit!
 
2002 Case # 02A018522
Unidentified Human Skeletal Remains
October 15, 2002 – Peach Creek Bridge @ Faulkner Rd, Cleveland, Texas
SYNOPSIS: On October 15, 2002, a citizen was checking Peach Creek
Bridge on Faulkner Road (Cleveland, Texas) and observed what
appeared to be a skull in the water. The MCSO Dive Team searched the
creek for additional remains, but none was found. MCSO Cold Case
Detectives have submitted the remains for DNA testing, Anthropological
Analysis, and submission to the Missing Persons / Unidentified DNA
database.
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http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
 
JeannieC said:
I have choosen to post missing and murdered from MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE Cold Case Squad – Homicide because I believe some of these cases are related to the killing fields. Some bodies have been recovered and some have not.

Serial Killers move around. One killing in Montgomery County probably killed in other counties surrounding Houston and Fort Worth. I believe there were several moving around in this area of Texas.

Some serial killers move the bodies to other areas so it is highly likely we could find someone missing from one county and remains located in another.

All of these cases are relevant to murders at the time. imo

I have not listed all the missing and murdered from Montgomery County. Please go out and take a look. Very frightening!

http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
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This case is so vast and there are so many persons involved.
I need to drop an anchor in this sea of madness to create a starting point. And perhaps others can choose a starting point for themselves and work outward over time. We may just connect somewhere along the way, and can look for familiarities to specific crimes.

I am going to stay with you JeannieC in Montgomery County.
As we investigate and expand outward over time, I will be able to return to my starting point of Montgomery County if things start to become extremely confusing or overwhelming. And then start again.
 
:+:MrTT:+: said:
This case is so vast and there are so many persons involved.
I need to drop an anchor in this sea of madness to create a starting point. And perhaps others can choose a starting point for themselves and work outward over time. We may just connect somewhere along the way, and can look for familiarities to specific crimes.

I am going to stay with you JeannieC in Montgomery County.
As we investigate and expand outward over time, I will be able to return to my starting point of Montgomery County if things start to become extremely confusing or overwhelming. And then start again.
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Thanks so much. You seem to have a pretty good handle on this. You are so right, this is overwhelming! I'm still wondering about the weapon of choice, a .22. I wonder if that is just the gun used most often during that period of time. I'm not up to speed on guns.

Also, those that were strangled. I noticed a difference in how they were listed. Whether it was just the spokesperson or if there is a difference, I don't know.

For instance some were listed as strangulation, ligature strangulation, manual stranglulation. Some with the use of a toothbrush. Some with stockings stuffed in their mouth.

Is manual with the hands only and is it the same thing as strangulation? Is stuffing something in a person's mouth the cause of death or was that in addition to strangling them.

Subtle differences but possibly important. I'm not sure. Would the same person use different methods to strangle a person and shoot the next victim? Can a perp be identified if they change their MO on each victim?

These murders don't appear to be the same person but identifying who was murdered by one perp is tough!
 
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