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I think both GA and CA KNOW they're daughter is guilty of something, but are not sure whether she sold Caylee, let someone adopt her, or killed her. I think they're trying to lean towards the 1st 2 options because they can't wrap their brain around the fact KC killed her own daughter.

I think during their blow-out on 6/15 or at some point when Mom wouldn't babysit Caylee, KC accused Mom of reneging on their deal. Therefore, she was going to get rid of the child. I base this on evidence I've read:

KC in chat to Tony R: "My Mom and I have a deal." Maybe CA made deal with KC to babysit and help her as much as she could if she would agree to keep the baby and not give her up for adoption. KC saw her as not keeping up her end of the deal when she couldn't go out with her friends when she wanted to. It wasn't working out as CA led her to believe it would, so she was going to get rid of the child.

CA to KC on 7/16: "What have you done?" She knows KC did something with the child as she threatened to, but doesn't know what.

GA to himself at tow yard: "Please, don't let this be my Caylee." before even know she was missing. He knew KC threatened to get rid of the child and feared at that point it was indeed Caylee that had been in that trunk. Doesn't want to believe, though, that his daughter would carry through on such a threat.

I think KC thought she could kill the child and get away with it because her parents would have thought she gave her up for adoption and she'd not have to tell them to who. Don't think she ever expected her mother to call the police on her.

Before Caylee went missing, KC told all her friends she was moving out and getting her own place. It was impossible for her to do so, but she could move in with TL without the child.

This doesn't answer where the child or her body is, but I think it may be why CA & GA are acting like they are. I thinking they're holding out hope that Caylee is alive and if they stand by KC, she'll eventually tell them where she is.

If KC planned the murder of her own child weeks before she did so, then she may have had a site all ready to dispose of the body when it was convenient for her to do so. I'd like to know why she got those 2 flat tires and whether or not she got new tires or got the flats fixed. If fixed, were the tires examined?

I think KC was quite frustrated when seeing Tony R because she wasn't getting near as much the free time to socialize without Caylee as CA may have led her to believe she would if she kept the child and didn't put her up for adoption.

She lost Tony R because of it and I think she feared she would also lose Tony L because of it.....and she just could not handle being alone.

Just thinking out loud here but no closer to even guessing what KC may have done with Caylee's body. Maybe her phone pings made around the same time she was searching the net about kidnappings and chloroform would reveal other places out of the ordinary for her? Does anyone know the dates of her internet searches and if the pings are available for around the same time?

Great post. I haven't seen anything regarding the dates of those searches on her computer. I thought her car was towed back to the A's and GA fixed them. Forgive if I'm wrong....pooped out..goodnight all.:rotfl:
 
KC's latest comment to be released; "They haven't even found Caylee's cloths yet."
I'm wondering if KC burned Caylee's cloths and possibly her own that she was wearing when she disposed of Caylee's body. That might explain the gasoline. But really...it wouldn't even take gasoline to burn clothing. Just a thought.

I'm liking your theory, she had to use the gas for something other than the car.
 
I think both GA and CA KNOW they're daughter is guilty of something, but are not sure whether she sold Caylee, let someone adopt her, or killed her. I think they're trying to lean towards the 1st 2 options because they can't wrap their brain around the fact KC killed her own daughter.

I think during their blow-out on 6/15 or at some point when Mom wouldn't babysit Caylee, KC accused Mom of reneging on their deal. Therefore, she was going to get rid of the child. I base this on evidence I've read:


KC in chat to Tony R: "My Mom and I have a deal." Maybe CA made deal with KC to babysit and help her as much as she could if she would agree to keep the baby and not give her up for adoption. KC saw her as not keeping up her end of the deal when she couldn't go out with her friends when she wanted to. It wasn't working out as CA led her to believe it would, so she was going to get rid of the child.

CA to KC on 7/16: "What have you done?" She knows KC did something with the child as she threatened to, but doesn't know what.

GA to himself at tow yard: "Please, don't let this be my Caylee." before even know she was missing. He knew KC threatened to get rid of the child and feared at that point it was indeed Caylee that had been in that trunk. Doesn't want to believe, though, that his daughter would carry through on such a threat.

I think KC thought she could kill the child and get away with it because her parents would have thought she gave her up for adoption and she'd not have to tell them to who. Don't think she ever expected her mother to call the police on her.

Before Caylee went missing, KC told all her friends she was moving out and getting her own place. It was impossible for her to do so, but she could move in with TL without the child.

This doesn't answer where the child or her body is, but I think it may be why CA & GA are acting like they are. I thinking they're holding out hope that Caylee is alive and if they stand by KC, she'll eventually tell them where she is.

If KC planned the murder of her own child weeks before she did so, then she may have had a site all ready to dispose of the body when it was convenient for her to do so. I'd like to know why she got those 2 flat tires and whether or not she got new tires or got the flats fixed. If fixed, were the tires examined?

I think KC was quite frustrated when seeing Tony R because she wasn't getting near as much the free time to socialize without Caylee as CA may have led her to believe she would if she kept the child and didn't put her up for adoption.

She lost Tony R because of it and I think she feared she would also lose Tony L because of it.....and she just could not handle being alone.

Just thinking out loud here but no closer to even guessing what KC may have done with Caylee's body. Maybe her phone pings made around the same time she was searching the net about kidnappings and chloroform would reveal other places out of the ordinary for her? Does anyone know the dates of her internet searches and if the pings are available for around the same time?

(bold mine) With a limited set of facts--and far from the totality of evidence--the most any of us can claim is our own interpretation of these limited facts. Personally I've long ruled out either of first two possibilities (that Caylee was sold, or adopted) based on the very real, scientific evidence ie Caylee's hair w death band and the decomp in KC's trunk. Consistent w this evidence then we are left w either murder scenario such as you describe--or one you fail to consider which is negligence or accidental drowning. W/out more evidence (search dates computer files were written to--not created eg) it is a rush to judgment to rule that out while missing even what pieces LE has to work with. And if there is one thing Caylee's death was not it is organized or planned. I see nothing but jumbled stories, easily disprovable lies, and clumsy attempts at a cover-up after the fact. JMO

Random thought:
If my memory serves me, didn't ChrisS bring Caylee's lifevest over to the A's a few days after Casey was arrested. I thought this was when C.A. had all the friends over to piece together what they knew. It struck me as a little odd as to why ChrisS had it and felt the need to return it right then. "They haven't even found Caylees clothes". Could she have taken them off to put on a suit and swim at a friends? I need to go back and read that interview. I guess CA had an extra lifevest that Caylee used on the evening of June 15.??

(bold mine) OR, could Caylee's clothes have been removed (by Caylee or KC) in plans for a swim in their own pool... but Caylee found her way there first. JMO
 
If 2 guys helped KC move her car off of the road to land in the Amscot parking lot, then how come no one has ever heard from these guys who could confirm her story, say they didn't smell decomp smell, etc. BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN - THERE WERE NO GUYS THAT MOVED HER CAR OUT OF THE STREET - IF THEY DID - THEY WOULD HAVE SMELLED THE DECOMP . . . in fact, I don't think she was in that car at all that day or she would have smelled like decomp and her groceries could have absorbed the smell as well

If KC was gone from the A home for enough time out of a day to appear to be working, then why hasn't anyone come up and said "Well, I wondered why she spent so much time at my house during the day if she had a job"? BECAUSE MAYBE SHE WAS EITHER HIDING SOMEWHERE OR MORE THAN LIKELY, SHE WAS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL AND HER CO-WORKERS AREN'T TELLING

I'm just so :confused: about the whole dang case!
 
If 2 guys helped KC move her car off of the road to land in the Amscot parking lot, then how come no one has ever heard from these guys who could confirm her story, say they didn't smell decomp smell, etc. BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN - THERE WERE NO GUYS THAT MOVED HER CAR OUT OF THE STREET - IF THEY DID - THEY WOULD HAVE SMELLED THE DECOMP . . . in fact, I don't think she was in that car at all that day or she would have smelled like decomp and her groceries could have absorbed the smell as well

If KC was gone from the A home for enough time out of a day to appear to be working, then why hasn't anyone come up and said "Well, I wondered why she spent so much time at my house during the day if she had a job"? BECAUSE MAYBE SHE WAS EITHER HIDING SOMEWHERE OR MORE THAN LIKELY, SHE WAS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL AND HER CO-WORKERS AREN'T TELLING

I'm just so :confused: about the whole dang case!


Or maybe there's a lot of information that has not been released to the public.
 
Does anyone remember the words of kc to one of her friends on the web when she said, I am moving to a house off Curry Ford Road, near the dump (her words, not mine). She said it was just for her and Caylee and no one else?

I remember reading that but wrote it off to her fantasy of buying the 'party' house from Exit13 (see his interviews with WS on site. I think that his house is on CF Road by the dump.
 
KC's latest comment to be released; "They haven't even found Caylee's cloths yet."
I'm wondering if KC burned Caylee's cloths and possibly her own that she was wearing when she disposed of Caylee's body. That might explain the gasoline. But really...it wouldn't even take gasoline to burn clothing. Just a thought.

She was habitually running out of gas, so I figured she was out of money again and needed the gas she stole for her car

Or maybe, she needed someone (the green truck guy) to take her somewhere and she had to give HIM gas to take her and she had no money. Why would she be in the green truck that day and not her car?? Has anyone wondered about that?? and if it's Annie's truck she was in -- who was with her? It was a dark haired male according to the neighbor. And HE was driving. Why did she need a TRUCK that day?? hmmm
 
She was habitually running out of gas, so I figured she was out of money again and needed the gas she stole for her car

Or maybe, she needed someone (the green truck guy) to take her somewhere and she had to give HIM gas to take her and she had no money. Why would she be in the green truck that day and not her car?? Has anyone wondered about that?? and if it's Annie's truck she was in -- who was with her? It was a dark haired male according to the neighbor. And HE was driving. Why did she need a TRUCK that day?? hmmm


What about that comment that George made re: he heard that there had been a rash of gas can thieveries in the neighborhood? Gee, wonder who was doing that?
 
random thoughts: I'll be the first one to admit during this case, I have been obsessed with filters and hoses. Pool filters and hoses, washing machine filters and hoses, vacuum cleaner and hand vacs and what evidence I am hoping LE had gotten from collecting such hoses and filters early on.

So today, I tried to watch Cindy's interviews. As difficult as this was, she mentioned they had an ice chest in the laundry room, between (I believe) the washer and dryer IN THE GARAGE. Now, I have no idea how big the ice chest is (was?), but my radar went up when she mentioned the laundry area is in the garage. How conveeeeeeeeenient! So I am wondering if Casey backed her car into the garage on those three occasions in June and did some laundry!

Perhaps she washed hers and Caylee's clothes and also, every time she came into contact with decomp, she went off to Cindy's to wash clothes. Why not dispose of them right away? Because they stunk. And where can you get rid of clothes without just throwing them away? The Salvation Army drop box! But you wash them first so they don't smell like decomp. Why not just go to the laundromat? Because she's CHEAP! (and the clothes stink). Makes me wonder if C & G ever smelled the decomp smell in the garage in mid June. They really should have.
 
She was habitually running out of gas, so I figured she was out of money again and needed the gas she stole for her car.
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If you have a daughter who is "habitually running out of gas", and you discover gas cans missing from your shed, why would you report it to the police? Wouldn't you check with the daughter first? "Rash of gas can thieveries"? Give me a break! You report missing gas cans but not your missing granddaughter?

This is one of those sore points that has stuck with me all along. To me, it indicates an ulterior motive. Any thoughts? C'mon, I'm easy. Throw me a bone.
 
I got to thinking about this last night, and my husband and I talked it over. I can't get past some of KC's attitudes about sexuality. The promiscuity, coupled with her seemingly very intentional inability to connect with anyone emotionally or in a long-term commitment. Add that to the possibility (this is unfounded, but a suspicion) that she might have been an escort/illegal prostitute/stripper etc.....

I started thinking back on some of the cases I was privy to when I volunteered for a young women's recovery program, as well as some of what I learned growing up with a family member who was in the sex industry....a fairly large majority of women with the outward attitudes of "sex is fun with anyone, anytime....it's just not a big deal" and their ease of essentially selling themselves as just a "pretty face" leads me back to how many of them have pasts that include sexual abuse. Either at the hands of a family member or family friend. We're talking about recurrent or long term abuse.

My husband and I started wondering....could KC have grown up being sexually abused? It seems almost impossible to point the finger at someone close like her father....but you can't always dismiss these things based on how 'nice' a person is (you know what I mean?).

I'd love to hear some thoughts and opinions from other WSers about this. Anyone connect with what I'm talking about? Want to discuss theories?
 
I got to thinking about this last night, and my husband and I talked it over. I can't get past some of KC's attitudes about sexuality. The promiscuity, coupled with her seemingly very intentional inability to connect with anyone emotionally or in a long-term commitment. Add that to the possibility (this is unfounded, but a suspicion) that she might have been an escort/illegal prostitute/stripper etc.....

I started thinking back on some of the cases I was privy to when I volunteered for a young women's recovery program, as well as some of what I learned growing up with a family member who was in the sex industry....a fairly large majority of women with the outward attitudes of "sex is fun with anyone, anytime....it's just not a big deal" and their ease of essentially selling themselves as just a "pretty face" leads me back to how many of them have pasts that include sexual abuse. Either at the hands of a family member or family friend. We're talking about recurrent or long term abuse.

My husband and I started wondering....could KC have grown up being sexually abused? It seems almost impossible to point the finger at someone close like her father....but you can't always dismiss these things based on how 'nice' a person is (you know what I mean?).

I'd love to hear some thoughts and opinions from other WSers about this. Anyone connect with what I'm talking about? Want to discuss theories?

This has been discussed at length here. IIRC, there has been no evidence at all to point to this, just lots of speculation. IMO, she does not display the personality traits that go along with that abuse.
 
This has been discussed repeatedly. I don't see this being a cause for Casey's behavioral problems or her sexual proclivities. What I see is that Casey found a way to manipulate and control men via sex. (Cindy subconsciously has no boundaries when it comes to men and Casey obviously observed this.) I honestly do not believe she was sexually abused earlier etc. Not that it couldn't happen, but I don't see it with her in particular.
 
:waitasec:GA is not working for three years, causes family debt to the tune of $30,000.00, Casey, shes stealing from family funds as well is pregnant, at home with newborn & Dad (He is on the computer constantly) stealing family funds as well and is also on computer constantly. Cindy is having to micro manage disabled husbands medical care, Daughter who is new mother, & care of newborn baby plus work because two people in that family are intent to destroy it. Lots of similarities between Dad and daughter. It certainly appears their family dynamics has been alittle askewd. Please elaborate if you wish on the three years daughter and father were together even though after giving birth she made sure she got out of the house daily. I don't feel grandma really cared if CA worked the first year of Caylees life. It's obvious CA wanted out of the house enough to start her deceit & lying These are things to ponder. Like grandma said in FBI interview we all want to put a neat bow around this case and call it a day but how can we when looking at the familys last 3 to 4 yrs.
 
Here's my random thoughts. I've done an "amatuer profile" on Casey. If I had access to cadaver dogs w/handlers, I would hit every dumpster in a triangular area from Anthony's to TonE's to Ricardo's back to Anthony's. If the dogs hit on a dumpster (and I really believe they would) I would then do whatever I could to have that specific grid of the landfill searched for the dates between June 16 and June 27, concentrating on 18th-22cd. If there were no dumpster hits, I would then take the dogs, handlers, and whatever searchers could be scraped up and do a search in that same triangular area, in any even slightly remote areas, from the road to about 300 yards in. If nothing found there, I would look same thing between Universal Studios to Anthony's, to TonE's, and to Ricardo's.
JMO, but MY gut tells me Casey went to as little effort as possible to dispose of Caylee's body, and that includes driving around scoping out an area.
Lanie
 
MISSING / CONNECTION

LEE'S HOUSE

SAME CELL TOWER
HE TRAVELS A LOT
1 MILE FROM GA AND CA HOME

JUNE 15 KC DID NOT SPEND THE NIGHT AT GA HOUSE IT WAS LEE'S AND THEN SHE WENT BACK IN THE EARLY MORNING TO GA HOME.

JUNE 16 12:50 CELL PHONE RECORDS SHOW KC LEFT AS GA SAID SHE DID HOWEVER, THE PINS ARE INTERPRETED AS IF SHE NEVER LEFT---AKA SHE WAS AT LEE'S HOUSE.....SEE THE CELL PHONE RECORDS LOOK AT THE PINS FOR BEFORE AND AFTER 12:50 YOU WILL SEE WHAT i AM SHARING.........

THE TICKET IS

KC MURDERED CAYLEE IN LEE'S HOUSE WITH__________ON JUNE 16

Ditto....I totally agree with you!!!!
It fits all the ping areas when gone missing.
Has LE ever searched Lee's house or his back yard????
What is Lee being so evassive about?????
Sometimes the most guilty are those who say the least!!!!!
After all how many interviews did Lee undergo????
 
I've been thinking that the character names she used such as Juliet, Jennifer, Annabelle, Jeff etc. could have come from TV shows. I found these two and both episodes were about Chloroform and contain some characters with the above names. Anyone know of a series with TGIF in it? Both of these series were from May.

CSI Episode involving Chloroform May 15, 2008
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/csi/...ale-19465.aspx

LOST episode involving Chloroform May 2, 2008 Notice that one of the Characters in named Juliet
http://ksatbrokennews.wordpress.com/...ice-back-home/
 
Whatever happened at the fight on Father's day was a bomb............KC decided to do her 'plan'.......she researched sinkholes, choroform, missing kids, etc and took her rage out on CAYLEE.......then someone mentioned she went to a church???? Then bought crosses at JCP? did I get all this correct? At JCP........when was that date? and did she buy a suitcase? big bag? container? anything to put a 2 year old in?

How about a dress/suit bag?
 
FWIW, I have a picture of my son at the same age, madder than a hornet at me and crying and trying to get away from me. He wasn't being abused. He was mad because I was trying to take his superman costume off. I also have a similiar pic that I took with his dad, again madder than a hornet trying to get away from him. No abuse.
Yes but then again your niece didn't disappear without a trace, and her mother in jail on inditement for murder and her grandparents - well - lets just say your family isn't like this one right ? ;)

I still think there is something fishy about him

Usually those that YELL and carry on the loudest have nothing to do with it , its the quiet ones you have to watch for (my Mum always told me that !)
 
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