GUILTY NY - Leiby Kletzky, 8, Brooklyn, 11 July 2011 - #2

I get local NY news. The 5pm news just game on and they're saying they're expecting a news conference for the indictment.

DA says evidence in Aron's apartment could connect him to other children.

Conference expected at 5:15pm

Other children? Scary.

I hate to keep coming back to this, but the only other child missing in all of New York, male OR female, age 5-12, that's NOT a family abduction...is Patrick Alford.

Specific to Brooklyn, Patrick is the ONLY child missing in the last 10 years not listed as a runaway or family abduction.
 
Been doing a lot of research and posted what I found on my blog: http://theydontseethroughus.blogspot.com/2011/07/levi-arons-story-and-fact-he-left-out.html

VERY disturbing... some tid bits:
He tried to abduct his neighbor in the past 2 years but the boys mother scared him away by screaming. (and there was even ANOTHER boy who he stalked..an 11-year old)
His ex-wife says she Levi wanted to be famous and was "inspired" by the excessive Casey Anthony coverage.
He would stare at children in the park and the neighborhood parents tried to keep their kids away from him.
Also, there's a still from a CCTV camera showing Leiby moments before being abducted.
(lots more on the post)


very creepy stuff
 
Due to the Wednesdays news, NO WAY did LA panick when he saw the fliers. If he did, he would have killed and discarded quickly.

This is NOT a manner of quickly killing and discarding someone in a moment of panick. The cocktail of drugs would have taken some time to take effect. Dismemberment of all limbs, removing feet from the legs and decapitating someone takes time. Imo, it is the actions of someone who chose to torture in a slow and methodical manner. Perhaps LA was even enjoying the time spent with LK knowing what he was planning on doing in the next 24 or so hours. Delaying and prolonging the gratification he would get from torturing and dismembering.

What remains a question is why he chose a slow torture for this boys death and whether it had anything to do with his psychological problems.

jmo
 
I never implied NYPD scratched up Aron's hands etc.

I just don’t see how LK could have been conscious when he was smothered and in a position to resist and fight back like we’ve been led to believe he did. It doesn't jive IMO.

If LA forced LK to swallow a potent combination of drugs on an empty stomach in a hot apartment where he had been all day long before he suffocated him, LK's energy level would be very low and he wouldn't have the energy to fight for his life but maybe LK's willpower sustained him and he was able to overcame the powerful effects of the drugs he was given and I am mistaken.

In addition, if LK was lying in front of the television after he ingested these drugs, he would have been docile and he would have passed out and slipped into a semi-conscious state very quickly. Therefore I think he was semi-conscious not conscious state when he was smothered by Aron. Prosecution believe LK was murdered in the living room.

Yes that is true, maybe LA's drugs were prescribed for a chronic back condition. LA said he had a sore back and that's why he didn't plan to stay long at the wedding Monday evening but no one else has come forward and said LA suffered from chronic back pain and was taking medication for pain control; so when this news story broke, I was very surprised.

It’s possible LA was extremely anxious when he was dismembering the body and his knife slipped numerous times.

MO is LA wanted to spare the child from experiencing a painful and agonizing death.

There were ligature marks on Leiby. It is possible the wounds on LA's wrists were inflicted from Leiby resisting being tied up and bound with a rope.

He said ligature marks on the boy’s wrists “would indicate that at some point he was tied up.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/n...ed-before-being-suffocated-official-says.html
 
Considering the police were at his apt in the wee hours of 7/13, it sounds like they just missed actually saving Leiby's life?

If this had been called into the police immediately... and had ALL resources working on it immediately... yes... they may not have missed saving Leiby.

That few hours of keeping it within their own community... cost them the resources of the NYPD and possibly cost Leiby his life.


With all due respect, I seriously doubt that NYPD scratched up Aron's arms and/or planted pharmaceuticals in Aron's apartment.

Muscle relaxants and pain medication could be prescribed for back pain Aron told NYPD he suffered from:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/tragic_boy_fought_till_end_gdo1SamYbOgMjlvMs94P9J

Aron told police that he drove Leiby to the wedding, but left early due to back pain and took the boy back to his attic apartment, "thinking I'd bring him to his house the next day."

And Seroquel is not only used for psychotic symptoms. It is also used for more common things such as bipolar or even as a sleep aid (which to me is nuts but it happens.) It isn't that hard to get these meds.

Levy also may have known someone who was on some of or all of these drugs and not necessarily taking them himself.

I think the fight occurred before the killing.
When Leiby realized he was not leaving...
When Levy tried to assault him...
When he tried to tie him up...
When he tried to smother him without him drugged... something.
 
The police also said Leiby was killed sometime late Tuesday afternoon or early that evening. Investigators now believe that the portion of his remains that were discovered inside a suitcase in a Dumpster had been deposited by the suspect after midnight that Tuesday, shortly before investigators went to his home at 2:40 a.m. Wednesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/nyregion/leiby-kletzky-was-drugged-before-being-suffocated-official-says.html

The above would indicate LA spent hours dismembering this boy. HOURS! Those were hours LE could have busted into that apartment and caught LA in the process of dismembering this child. NOT indicative of a panick killing. Hours after he learnt of the disappearance while at work. MSM reports LA participated in prayers for the boys safe return while at work. No one at work indicated LA appeared panicked in any way.

According to one of those employees, the suspect took part in prayers Tuesday, that Leiby would be found, a day after the boy went missing.

http://vidyid.com/levi-aron-had-prayed-for-leiby-and-corrected-name.html

There was another link from a coworker stating the only thing he noticed unusual about Levy on Tuesday while at work was his change in appearance and I can't seem to find it right now, but it is posted within the two threads for Leiby.

I do not believe Levy panicked. I believe he knew his time was short when he realized a search was on for the boy and he could no longer delay or prolong his desire to torture and dismember this child.

jmo
 
And Seroquel is not only used for psychotic symptoms. It is also used for more common things such as bipolar or even as a sleep aid (which to me is nuts but it happens.) It isn't that hard to get these meds.

Levy also may have known someone who was on some of or all of these drugs and not necessarily taking them himself.

.

Respectfully snipped.

Police officials said Wednesday that they had already been investigating the possibility that Leiby had been drugged because they found prescription pills in Mr. Aron’s name inside his apartment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/n...fore-being-suffocated-official-says.html?_r=1
 
His attorney, Pierre Bazile, has asked for the rancor over the case in the public and press to be dialed down, and hoped the judicial process could take its course.

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=4&id=44877


:boohoo:
So he's not going the Jose Baez route. My reply to Bazile, Leiby was a victim. His story deserves to be told - not brushed aside and forgotten as if Leiby never mattered. Your client is NOT the victim here, he confessed to and claimed he understood what he did was wrong. If he is smart he will plead guilty, accept responsibility and save the good tax payers of NY the expense of a trial. A guilty plea and moving onto the sentencing phase is what will 'dial down' the media and public outrage/discussion of this case.

jmo
 
If this had been called into the police immediately... and had ALL resources working on it immediately... yes... they may not have missed saving Leiby.

That few hours of keeping it within their own community... cost them the resources of the NYPD and possibly cost Leiby his life.

I don't know about that. Remember the citizen that "found" Leiby on the videos (good samaritan - his son was one of Leiby's teachers at the day camp) - seems like his actions were what put everything into place for the police. Not that the police didn't do a bang up job - not saying that at all. Just seems like everybody (citizens and police) were on this immediately.
 
A day after a grand jury indicted Levi Aron for allegedly kidnapping, murdering and dismembering 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky, police have returned to Aron’s home to search for possible evidence of other child victims.

CBS 2′s Kristin Thorne reported investigators removed a sizable quantity of children’s clothing as well as an array of medications from Aron’s Kensington, Brooklyn home


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/07...f-levi-aron-accused-of-killing-leiby-kletzky/

A sizable amount of children's clothing? OMG this may be bigger than at least I previously thought... I hope not.
 
I wonder if any of that clothing matches up with the clothing Patrick Alford, also missing from Brooklyn was wearing when he was last seen.
 
A day after a grand jury indicted Levi Aron for allegedly kidnapping, murdering and dismembering 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky, police have returned to Aron’s home to search for possible evidence of other child victims.

CBS 2′s Kristin Thorne reported investigators removed a sizable quantity of children’s clothing as well as an array of medications from Aron’s Kensington, Brooklyn home


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/07...f-levi-aron-accused-of-killing-leiby-kletzky/

A sizable amount of children's clothing? OMG this may be bigger than at least I previously thought... I hope not.

Why in God's name would any single adult have a sizable amount of children's clothing?

Could he have a fetish where he collected them from people's clothes lines, trash cans, etc?
 
Why in God's name would any single adult have a sizable amount of children's clothing?

Could he have a fetish where he collected them from people's clothes lines, trash cans, etc?

Perhaps he's a pedophile
 
Oh no...I hope it's not more frozen feet in the freezer. I'm sorry there is something about him that reminds me of Dahmer.

Me too. Dahmer drugged his victims too... plus other very weird and terrible things in attempt to create a sex slave.
 
The new details that have come out, have me absolutely livid. :furious::furious:

I had refrained from commenting on his sisters death, but, obviously there are new questions regarding that issue.

There is new video out from the gas station at 8:15 pm, the last known sighting of little Leiby. More info at article below.

As for the revelation of children's clothing being found in his apartment, well, I guess there is much more to come. :(

Police also spent four hours yesterday scouring newly discovered color surveillance video from a New Jersey gas station that shows Aron escorting Leiby to the bathroom late July 11 — the last known images of the little boy.

They were returning from a Rockland County wedding that Aron bizarrely took Leiby to after allegedly kidnapping him off a Brooklyn street that day.

"It gave me chills in my spine," said an attendant at the Sunoco station on the Palisades Parkway after looking at still images from the video, time-stamped 8:15 p.m. "I know the child is dead. It made me sad."
The footage shows Aron opening his car door for Leiby, and the two walking into the bathroom together.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...klyn_boy_7XOU5JBVA5u2czR15jmGFO#ixzz1SkejZoua
 
Parents of dismembered NYC boy set up website

The Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund website


(Note:CBC does not endorse and is not responsible for the content of external links.)



The family of eight-year-old Leiby Kletzky has set up a heart-wrenching tribute to the boy, who was abducted in New York City before being brutally killed.

The website, called The Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund: Coping with Grief by Doing Good, was set up after the boy was snatched from his Jewish neighbourhood last week when he stopped to ask a stranger for directions.

He had become lost after leaving his day camp.

He was dismembered in a case that has horrified the nation, given that most culprits behind child abductions aren't strangers.

Leiby's family hopes to raise $1 million US through the fund. As of 8 a.m. ET, more than $47,000 was in the fund.

The website features photographs of Leiby as an infant and toddler and says anyone donating to the fund will help the family "accomplish all the wonderful things that Leiby would have achieved had he lived."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/07/21/dismembered-boy-charity-website.html
 
IMO If LA was on his way back from the wedding as early as 8:15pm he clearly attended for one reason and one reason only, an attempt to establish an alibi away from involvement in LK's kidnapping.

So much for his story about arriving home late.
 
They're digging in his back yard again.

Police are digging in Aron’s backyard to see if there is anything that leads to other missing children.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/07...f-levi-aron-accused-of-killing-leiby-kletzky/

Also from the article: Police confirmed Aron drove Kletzky to upstate Monsey last Monday night, where he attended a wedding while the boy stayed in the car.


That right there tells me he was of "sound mind." He knew he would get a lot of questions and/or weird looks if he brought Leiby in with him.
 

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