**GRAPHIC**- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder: ***DISCUSSION OF THE VIDEO ONLY***

matou said:

Which photo are you referring to Amandes? Is it the one with the purple hoodie?

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yes

Shimmers said:

Also look at the mount, i know it is very difficult since it is ffining grainy. I think luka's upperlip is fuller that this one. We need to look up a profile pic of luka and compair it with this one, i suggest. Any volunteers??
Also it looks like the person in the pic is wearing glasses aswell.

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The lips look right to me, but the nose....

I didn't notice the glasses before, but I see what you're talking about,

Haunted82 said:

I don't believe it was on liveleak, but the widely circulated copy may have been from 'theync' as their tag is stamped all over the most frequently circulating copy. Now i wished I'd kept that orig one to see if it had the pic at the end.
So possibly some sites did some editing of their own on the video.

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it was on liveleak......and still is

Sigh Sister said:

The lips look right to me, but the nose....

I didn't notice the glasses before, but I see what you're talking about,

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Likely did doctor it a bit prior to uploading it. That way it could cast some doubt as to its authenticity. All part of the game.

Haunted82 said:

Likely did doctor it a bit prior to uploading it. That way it could cast some doubt as to its authenticity. All part of the game.

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That's what I'm thinking. It would fit with his claims that he is being framed by his "insane agent".

Well that picture was released weeks before the murder even took place. The face has clearly been "painted".

Can we talk about his *advertiser censored* here? I can't create a new thread.

The simulated humping in the kill vid is just as passionless as in his *advertiser censored* work. My guess is that he's asexual. Very common in sociopaths, which is why a large portion call themselves bisexual. Due to the lack of a real investment in the sex itself, the gender of the partner is really irrelevant.

My guess is that for Luka, sex was another useful tool for manipulation, and a bridge for his darker more violent urges.

I was wondering about the ice...does anyone know that local area,where could Luka have bought that much ice..did I understand there was an ice machine there??
did he have it there when Jun Lin arrived and how did he explaine that?
did he have Jun Lin bring some??? could go to sure guilt at the trial
can anyone guess as to the ammount shown and how fast it would have melted

is it possible to mail something in dry ice{but I know it would weigh more too}

I mentioned it in another thread, if you're referring to the parts in the tub (that quick still shot in the vid at the end thats so fast you have to pause it to actually look at) that may be water droplets instead of ice. It appears they were in the tub to either be rinsed or temporarly stored. If it is ice, you can easily buy bags of ice at most variety stores. He could have bought it after the killing for all we know, or just had it sitting in the tub. There is a variety store just next to the building by the Place Lucy side called AKK Depanneur, so he was literally a few steps away.

RE: "Pre-release" photo

I agree that it could be challenging to definitively ID the person in the photo as LM. Still, I believe there could be lots of circumstantial evidence in that photo that makes it compelling. If LE found the wig, poster, clothing and/or ice pick at the crime scene or in LM's belongings upon arrest. Maybe other photos could be used showing LM wearing the hoodie and/or wig....and we know he posted other pics of him with the poster in the background. Perhaps some sort of specialist could compare LM's profile with that observed in the photo and confirm that the profile is "consistent" with that of LM. If numerous points of information come together that support the photo is consistent with that being LM, that along with all the apt evidence is pretty damning IMO.

I screwed up yesterday by putting a post about this video in the "Lin Jun's Head" thread, so I thought I'd bring the topic here before I derail the other discussion.

I had a strange experience of attempting to watch this video with music but kept my eyes shut through most of it. Then, I watched it all the way through without music on a second try only to realize I could barely remember what I had just watched.

vorpal22 mentioned having a similar experience with accompanying depression for several days, so I thought maybe it might help to talk about how people are coping with having been exposed to this video.

Personally, I've had some depression from trying to view it. My broken heart won't let my mind fully comprehend it. Many reactions I've seen outside Websleuths have been little easier to bare with comments like how boring the video is or how wonderful Magnotta is for having made this abomination.

My video (and this case) experience, if anyone is interested:

I watched it about 2 times when the case hit the news. To be honest, I did very well - I think I have the ability to distance myself a bit through the computer screen and because I didnt know much about Jun Lin, LM and the rest of the case, it was not that bad for me.
However - I then started to learn more about the murder, joined your wonderful webite, read ALL the many pages on here. I learned about the poor victim Jun Lin, saw his photos and his bright smile. I learned about LM, who in some pics and videos seems so arrogant its unbearable - and in some, to me, he seems pretty normal. I also learned about Canada, how and when exactly the crime happened and a lot more. All that time I never watched it again.
Then I felt the need to check something once more in the video and went back to see it. But this time I was overwhelmed. I could not watch, it made me really sick, sad and angry. I was surprised by how much my emotions had changed. I even had the impression of being able to smell the bloody mattress, and that was the point when I closed the site and decided to never watch it again and let Jun Lin rest in peace.
Also, when I first talked to my boyfriend about the murder 2 weeks ago, I described him some details and then all of a sudden I felt very sick. I was probably imagining to dismember a human body myself, actively, and that was too much. I dont mind reading about disturbing details, but talking about it went too far for me.
Strange, huh
But I have to say I am very happy that I indeed felt sick and sad at some point, I was a little scared of myself at first because I thought I wouldnt have any empathy or emotions at all.
I dont know if I regret watching it... I realised that I forget the content very fast. I somehow felt bad for watching it because LM actually put the video in the web because he wanted people to see it, and I feel like doing him a favour by watching it. I also feel like doing him a favour every time I write a post about this case on here. I imagine him getting out of prison someday in the future (dont hope so, but I dont know!) and reading everything on here and feeling very good.

And something else is my mind these days (sorry for the long post, I feel the need to share it)...
There will be for sure similiar stories in the future, murders being uploaded on the internet, for the fame and attention.
And just because a few idiots just like LM (and the disturbed people who enjoy child *advertiser censored*) need to do such senseless ********, the internet will change completely and get more and more censored.
The world wide web is such a great invention that can be used for so many good things - but the dark side of humans will make it impossible to use.

LM is a loser. The world doesnt need him anymore.

Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

Jujercu said:

Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

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OMG, I've just watched the youtube comparison and the chest and underarm hair does look like it belongs to Magnotta, not JL. I can't discuss any further since I never watched the killvid, but it looked like LM in my opinion. Strange

Jujercu said:

Not sure if this has been posted but on YouTube sail1991 has a great video that shows that the alive JL in the killvid might be LM. It is called luka Rocco magnotta is an accomplice ...there are some nice vids of JL as well. This is obviously the Chinese poster who posted on WS awhile back...interesting! Check it out!

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Just watched it and now I have more questions than answers...
Certainly another potential twist...

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Donyale said:

OMG, I've just watched the youtube comparison and the chest and underarm hair does look like it belongs to Magnotta, not JL. I can't discuss any further since I never watched the killvid, but it looked like LM in my opinion. Strange

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i just watched the beginning of the video again, where it shows someone alive, but blindfolded and a mask around his jaw (like bank robbers in the old west used, you know?) and then i fast forwarded it to a shot of the body after it is not alive, and it seems the pec muscles are very different, more formed, not flat like the first part...more like what jun lin's were depicted like in photo's of him without a shirt on...i find that really weird, i am now thinking the beginning part is not lin at all...you don't see lin being actually killed in the video, it is edited...(and to be clear, the dead body has pec's like lins, i know some have said muscles look different laying down, but these two parts were different, the live body were really flat and not 'worked out', so to speak)...pretty strange, opens up a whole new realm of questions for me...

katriana said:

i just watched the beginning of the video again, where it shows someone alive, but blindfolded and a mask around his jaw (like bank robbers in the old west used, you know?) and then i fast forwarded it to a shot of the body after it is not alive, and it seems the pec muscles are very different, more formed, not flat like the first part...more like what jun lin's were depicted like in photo's of him without a shirt on...i find that really weird, i am now thinking the beginning part is not lin at all...you don't see lin being actually killed in the video, it is edited...(and to be clear, the dead body has pec's like lins, i know some have said muscles look different laying down, but these two parts were different, the live body were really flat and not 'worked out', so to speak)...pretty strange, opens up a whole new realm of questions for me...

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I watched the whole video again, and I agree with you. The first part seems to show somebody tied up, but not Jun Lin. This leads me to question whether, Jun Lin and Magnotta were "playing" before the murder, you know like sexual role-play. Who knows maybe that is Luka himself being tied up in the beginning and Jun filming? Then they switch, and that's when Luka decides to become evil and sadistic?

I dunno, but after analyzing the video more, I'm still puzzled.

Haunted82 said:

I mentioned it in another thread, if you're referring to the parts in the tub (that quick still shot in the vid at the end thats so fast you have to pause it to actually look at) that may be water droplets instead of ice. It appears they were in the tub to either be rinsed or temporarly stored. If it is ice, you can easily buy bags of ice at most variety stores. He could have bought it after the killing for all we know, or just had it sitting in the tub. There is a variety store just next to the building by the Place Lucy side called AKK Depanneur, so he was literally a few steps away.

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I won't watch the video again and didn't give that much thought other than thinking that they were probably soap bubbles. I recall thinking the parts all looked particularly clean so perhaps that's why soap came to mind rather than ice or anything more logical.

HastingsChi said:

Just watched it and now I have more questions than answers...
Certainly another potential twist...

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Me too! That nose thing...and the feet! They are both LMs features not JL. I am thinking more than ever now that the alive person in the video is not JL. It would explain a lot but yes..it also opens up a whole new set of questions. :banghead:

I do think there is more than meets the eye. Why would he disguise himself in the video yet make obvious references in the video that it was him? (Casablanca post for example) I still think the " stabber" in the video might not be LM either...too thick..different body structure IMO

We have been assuming it was JL and LM each in their respective roles...but I think that might not be the case ...thinking the alive JL isn't JL ..the people who did that research are also Asian and would be sensitive to Asian features...something i never paid attention to before..I think they make an amazing point with that video they made...kudos to them!

Just my opinion but it's been weeks now and I can't shake those feelings. I keep going back to it. Something definitely isn't as it appears in this video...