In Case You Missed It. . .2012 is a Great Year for the Truth in the JBR case

[midwest mama]

Originally Posted by UKGuy

midwest mama,
This is new stuff, and it shows Patsy engaged in staging. Its a question many have long wanted answered, why did she wear worn clothes?
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My interpretation of Patsy's morning of the 26th garb is this:

Patsy had worn a two-piece sweater ensemble with black slacks to the Christmas dinner at the Whites. The two piece sweater ensemble was a black and red Essentials jacket, (fleece - if I recall) that was worn over a red sweater.

When they arrived home, Patsy supposedly prepared JB for bed, and then had some last minute trip preparations to make. My theory includes her finding a place to rest for a moment, falling asleep due to exhaustion, and being awakened due to the crime against JB having escalated to the point she had to be come involved. I do not think she had enough time to change out of her Christmas dinner clothing and into anything fresh before French arrived, but I do think that she would have wanted to remove the top layer of the sweater ensemble because it was just too hot with both sweaters on and all the activity involved.

[UKGuy]

Originally Posted by DeeDee249

Actually, when you look at the evidence lists, BOTH red and black fibers from Patsy's fleece sweater/jacket were found, not just the red. There is some confusion about Patsy's clothing that night. She wore a solid RED sweater UNDER the red/black fleece sweater jacket. It was the fleece acrylic fibers from the sweater jacket that were found.

The dark fibers found in the panty crotch were wool from JR's shirt. The red and black fibers in the garrote, paint tote and cord were acrylic, from Patsy's red/black acrylic sweater jacket.

DeeDee249,
Here you go, confirmation on those fibers.

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town

Meanwhile the duct tape was sent to the FBI, which had a large database for matching purposes. Special Agent Douglas Deedrick, an FBI hair and fiber specialist who had testified in the O. J. Simpson criminal case, notified the Boulder PD that he had found what seemed to be red and black microscopic fiber traces on the duct tape.

The four fibers would have to be analyzed further to determine what kind they were. Shortly afterward the FBI began a chemical analysis of the adhesive on the duct tape. Eventually they hoped to be able to locate the manufacturer and possibly even find out the approximate date of fabrication. They told the police they might even be able to trace the tape to where it had been bought.

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[UKGuy]

Originally Posted by midwest mama

My interpretation of Patsy's morning of the 26th garb is this:

Patsy had worn a two-piece sweater ensemble with black slacks to the Christmas dinner at the Whites. The two piece sweater ensemble was a black and red Essentials jacket, (fleece - if I recall) that was worn over a red sweater.

When they arrived home, Patsy supposedly prepared JB for bed, and then had some last minute trip preparations to make. My theory includes her finding a place to rest for a moment, falling asleep due to exhaustion, and being awakened due to the crime against JB having escalated to the point she had to be come involved. I do not think she had enough time to change out of her Christmas dinner clothing and into anything fresh before French arrived, but I do think that she would have wanted to remove the top layer of the sweater ensemble because it was just too hot with both sweaters on and all the activity involved.

midwest mama,
Yes, it appears something along those lines occurred. Now those red and black fibers were particular to that fleece sweater, am I interpreting this correctly?

They were found on the sticky side of the duct tape, in the wine-cellar somewhere Patsy said she had not placed foot that day or evening.

Then she removes the fleece for whatever reason, so what was going on?


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[DeeDee249]

The info on the black AND red fibers has been available for years in the evidence lists taken from the body on ACR.

[midwest mama]

I am going to try to put two images in this post that have been bothering me. The first is of the mark on JB's right cheek, and the other is of the red line mark in her hand. The first time I tried to enlarge the cheek mark, I looked for what others have previously said might be "prong" marks, but I kept noticing what looked to me like 3 triangular dark dots in the middle of the mark. The "heart" drawing in JB's palm never really did look like a heart to me, even though Patsy said "pretty good little heart" when questioned about it during one of her interviews. And, there was a reference in the autopsy as it being a heart. But I only see two abstract marks with a loopy line drawn between them. In the upper abstract mark - again, upon enlarging the photo as best I can on my PC, I see again, 3 triangular marks - like red dots. Am I seeing things, or can anyone else look at these two photos and tell me if you see them as I do?

Sorry the images may not come off well in this post, as I am not very techie when it comes to these sorts of things like some of you others. But maybe if you go out there on the sites where the photos are, you can pull them up and see if you can get better aspects yourself.




You can click on the photo to enlarge it for better reference.

[Bonnette]

Midwest Mama, you have posted many pertinent, revelatory photos with excellent commentaries and questions...thank you so much!

Yes, I see those three dots in each of the photos you posted here, and my thought is that they might represent elements within an electrical setup; depending upon the heat generated by a current, such dots would show up as darker or lighter within the central marking. And I agree that the heart might not be what it seems (or is stated to be).

It drives me crazy that nothing in this case is beyond argument or interpretation, save that a little girl is dead and her murderer(s) got away with it!

[midwest mama]

Originally Posted by Bonnette

Midwest Mama, you have posted many pertinent, revelatory photos with excellent commentaries and questions...thank you so much!

Yes, I see those three dots in each of the photos you posted here, and my thought is that they might represent elements within an electrical setup; depending upon the heat generated by a current, such dots would show up as darker or lighter within the central marking. And I agree that the heart might not be what it seems (or is stated to be).

It drives me crazy that nothing in this case is beyond argument or interpretation, save that a little girl is dead and her murderer(s) got away with it!

Only for now, Bonnette - DON'T LOSE HOPE!! Those of us who stay interested and will not let JB's death become just another Cold Case on a shelf just might be the ones who trigger something, sometime that will cause someone to pop this case wide open. That fact that the murderer(s) are not caught or convicted, YET, doesn't mean that they never will be! If I couldn't believe in that.........

[Bonnette]

Agreed, midwest mama, one must not lose hope...I don't hold out much hope for a trial and conviction (though I'd love to be wrong about that), but we might still learn the truth at some point.

[crimedoesnotpay]

I am not as familiar as many of you with all the details and the more you read the more and more to the story there seems to be. if the family had been to Frank's house that night and it appears he was one of the first called to the house to help look... and if the extortion was pre-mediated (possibly by communal paedophiles or a faction thereof within the community but in thus instance with the personal interest of financial gain) then someone with access to the child on a perpetual basis and also access to the family home could easily make sure evidence is planted. Why is there evidence against Patsy but many traces of evidence are not apparent? A clumsy criminal doesn't remove significant traces and then leave others so blatantly. The note said do not call the police - so if as suggested by some the child was not present upon first inspection of the basement by Frank, then maybe his resentment and breakdown towards the dad became apparent once he started projecting or transferring his guilt into them for the child's death because they called the police and if they hadn't perhaps he believed Jonbonet would have been returned alive.

Also, if there were religious motivations against the family as Christians then those type of people would have been judging them as Christians so technically anything they did which was perceived as wrong could have been reason or justification to those sort of minds for rationalising that they (the parents) were ultimately responsible for the consequences of their actions though they had no part in those consequences which were the horendous crime. Even trusting in the police and not in God can be perceived as a crime if your mind is prepared to rationalise for its own means and ends. Anyway - I ramble.