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I have to say I'm really not surprised. To me it's always seemed that the "higher ups" were probably taking direction from Paterno, not the other way around.
And we sort of knew there had to be a conspiracy of some kind involving Paterno, since McQueary got a job and Jerry was still around campus involved with Second Mile and getting tickets to take boys to games with him. It always smelled like a cover-up, but with this new information it seems worse.
My only problem is that now J.J. and I don't have anything to argue about. Just kidding!
Am I being stupid? :waitasec:
Because if I am interpreting today's news stories correctly, they strongly suggest that JP quashed his higher-ups' instincts to do the right thing by reporting JS's activities to the Second Mile and child welfare authorities.
How does that equate to JP doing the follow up?
Bah. (Not intended at you, WFGODOT, just jumping off from your post).
IMO the NCAA has about as much credibility as that man behind the curtain that Dorothy wasn't supposed to pay any attention to.
It only now butts in after the conviction?
Again I say bah.
(and O/T, I can't believe I just now figured out what WFGODOT refers to. And my degree is in English! :ashamed:
My understanding of the emails was Curley had a 3 step plan in place (1. Talk to JS; 2. Report it to 2nd Mile; 3. Report it to authorities). However, after Schultz (and Curley?) spoke with Joe, they decided to do nothing. Hence, the thought would be Joe persuaded them to keep it "in house" and not go further with it.
the ncaa sent the letter in November, iirc.
the ncaa sent the letter in November, iirc.
OK, if that's what J.J. meant, then I was being dumb. I interpreted J. J. as saying Curley, not Paterno, was the driving force behind changing the plan.
"For Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno, the responsible and 'humane' thing to do was, like Governor Corbett, to carefully and responsibly assess the best way to handle vague, but troubling allegations. Faced with tough situations, good people try to do their best to make the right decisions."
Curley's and Schultz's lawyers issued a joint statement:
Quote:
"For Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno, the responsible and 'humane' thing to do was, like Governor Corbett, to carefully and responsibly assess the best way to handle vague, but troubling allegations. Faced with tough situations, good people try to do their best to make the right decisions."
The subtle inclusion of Paterno with the three stooges is interesting. It definitely seems to contradict Paterno's testimony that he simply kicked the allegation upstairs and was done with it.
Does anyone know how grand jury proceedings are conducted? Were MM, Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier aware of each other's testimony?
OK, if that's what J.J. meant, then I was being dumb. I interpreted J. J. as saying Curley, not Paterno, was the driving force behind changing the plan.
I wouldn't call Paterno the "driving force," but that e-mail indicates he advocated it to Curley. He was on board with it.
Honestly, I don't think the NCAA will anything to Penn State, unless the Freeh report uncovers NCAA violations. I really don't think they will touch the Sandusky stuff.
From the recent articles I've read in the last couple of days it seems Paterno was. Curley didn't "change" his mind until right after the meeting with him. Seems to me like Paterno used some powerful dissuasion with him- like how it would impact the precious football team...I wouldn't call Paterno the "driving force," but that e-mail indicates he advocated it to Curley. He was on board with it.
From the recent articles I've read in the last couple of days it seems Paterno was. Curley didn't "change" his mind until right after the meeting with him. Seems to me like Paterno used some powerful dissuasion with him- like how it would impact the precious football team...
I am now in agreement with those who call for taking down the statue of Paterno. He is no hero! How humane was it to let more boys be victimized while turning a blind eye? And nothing was done when Sandusky didn't change and just kept bringing more victims to the Penn State locker rooms and showers!:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
More heads need to roll for enabling Sandusky, and the NCAA should also take severe action against Penn State.
Curley's and Schultz's lawyers issued a joint statement:
The subtle inclusion of Paterno with the three stooges is interesting. It definitely seems to contradict Paterno's testimony that he simply kicked the allegation upstairs and was done with it.
Does anyone know how grand jury proceedings are conducted? Were MM, Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier aware of each other's testimony?
True, but my gut tells me some verbal arm twisting went on, on Paterno's part... He minimized the victims the way he worded it as "sex between a man and boy", as if it was consensual.We don't know how powerful.
It could have been, "Can we just get Jerry some treatment?" It could have been something more forceful.
A damning commentary from the Patriot News:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_scandal_at_penn.html
Is there anyone out there wondering why I call this Central Pennsylvania Gothic.
Pennsylvania launches far fewer child sexual abuse investigations than other states: 8 per 1,000 children versus 40 per 1,000 children nationally.
The Keystone State also lags behind in determining a child to be a victim of child abuse: 1.3 per 1,000 children compared with 9.2 per 1,000 nationally, according to the Child Abuse Coalition of the state District Attorneys Association.