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Experiment results... First, Chris peeled lid with left hand, held cup with right hand, handed straw with right hand.
LindaDanette: first thought CC was left handed, then right due to the right handed passing of the straw
LD's dinner guests: all righties, peel lid with the right (did not pass straw)
dgFred: would say CC is right handed
Ziggy: is a rightie, never handles lid with left hand
OrdinaryLife: thinks CC seems right handed
Knox: is a rightie, removed lid, handed stick, replaced lid w right hand
Impatient redhead: is a rightie, stabilize cup with left, use right for lid, stir, hand off
Who Knew: is a rightie, holds cup with left, removes top with right.
Mr. Who Knew: is a leftie, holds cup with right, remove top with left.
Vegas Bride: is a rightie, uses right hand to take off a coffee lid
Mr. Vegas Bride: is a leftie, uses right hand to take off a lid.
Kimster: is a X handed person, holds cup with the left, takes lid off with the right
Kiki's son: is a rightie, holds cup with left, use right for lid, stir, hand off
Kiki: is rightie, holds cup w right hand, takes off lid with right [sic] hand. OH MY!
Kik noted videos -- thinks CC is right handed.
Mr. Wrinkles: is a rightie, holds cup with right, unscrews lid or removes lid with left
Wrinkles: is a rightie, holds cup with right "twists off lid" with left
Edited add:
Christee: thinks CC is lefty, maybe ambidextrous... Christee is rightie, holds cup with left, removes lid with right.
I could not be objective with a hot cup of coffee with a pull off lid (nothing to test with and was thinking too much about it). I seem to recall stabilizing with right pulling off with left, handing with right.
Unfortunately, the experiment could not produce proper study results. First of all, it was not controlled enough, a number of people knew the ultimate answer being looked for as they tested themselves (which hand do I use). It was not like being blindly handed something, then asked to perform something while someone else observed.
More in a minute... But everyone can look at the above, what do they see, is Chris a rightie, a leftie or ambidextrous.
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Unfortunately, the experiment could not produce proper study results. First of all, it was not controlled enough, a number of people knew the ultimate answer being looked for as they tested themselves (which hand do I use). It was not like being blindly handed something, then asked to perform something while someone else observed.
More in a minute... But everyone can look at the above, what do they see, is Chris a rightie, a leftie or ambidextrous.
YouTube - Joyce Meyer Fan is Excited
Forward to about 1:10 and get ready to pause - notice the chick in the red sweater "helping" CC? This video was either taken at the borders in Winter Park or Barnes & Noble in Ft Lauderdale on May 1st, 2008. CC was in Florida then and I'm just about willing to bet the farm that he and MM started the "trouble a year ago" back then.
Orlando is just an hour and a half drive from the Tampa Bay area. I've gone to a JMM in Orlando myself.
http://www.joycemeyer.org/jmmweb/jmmads/STTH/secret-true-happiness-book-tour.aspx
I think you pointed out something that may be pathologically telling - I couldn't tell what hand CC favors, because he was so accommodating to JM. It appears that he's well trained to "keep out of the way" and the long smoldering resentment may have turned into a cat and mouse game in his mind. He watches JM's every move and uses the hand that appears to be "least intrusive". What other behaviors might that kind of hatred spawn??
Okay all,
I started to list the things we know that are indisputable -- then I thought about what we do not yet know...
Question for those who were in court yesterday... Was the injury on Chris' arm noted as an "abrasion" or was it a "cut" (as one newsreporter said in a video after the prelim.)
I'm sure there is a photo of it, if what we heard was true that they photo'd CC's body after the fact (May 5th). I'm also sure it was "noticeable" as the police saw it and asked CC about it, as did his dad. Now then, just what did the injury look like -- how big was it (where exactly was it located), could it have "dripped blood" -- abrasions may ooze or, if very big/deep, drip blood, but they are usually (in my estimation) less likely to do so than a cut (which can pour blood).
AHA, some info...from page 5 of SW document:
>>ISP-205 Two swabs of reddish injury on the suspect's right forearm sealed in a cardboard box
ISP-206 Two swabs of scratches on the suspect's right forearm, sealed in a a cardboard box<<
Reddish injury sounds like an abrasion (a scuff of some sort). Scratches could be gouges, cuts as in cut (slices) with fingernails OR cut with wire (have we definitely learned what the ligatures were made of?)
I feel sure that they took fingernail clippings of the victims -- was Chris' skin beneath their nails? OR a ligature, was it wire (not cord) that could have cut Chris? How might Chris have received this/these injuries.
Oh I would really like to see photos of these injuries to start thinking...
Also, I wish I knew if Chris were right or left handed. Hmm...can we figure that out from the StarBucks coffee clip video?
NOW THEN, remember we heard something about a piece of mattress with blood on it that was cut away -- we saw that in one of the SW's I believe.
Uh huh, here, page 20:
>>ISP-607 sealed envelope containing piece of cloth cut from mattress in master bedroom with rbls.<<
Was this an older or "fresh" blood stain, and my bet is that it was "fresh."
We do not know so far, to my knowledge, what the injuries were to Sheri, i.e. whether she had bled at all. We do know about something on Chris. Is it possible that whatever was showing on his arm had bled and that was found on the mattress?
I see your train of thought Wrinkles. If CC incapacitated them with his right arm across their neck in a downward force, while looping the ligature around the neck with the left hand, even asleep, I guess the reaction would be to come awake and intinctively claw at the force which is on their neck, the right arm.
Ewwwwwwwwww Kiki,
Nice new word "obsequisous" [sic] -- actually "obsequious" I have never heard that word, cool! Thanks for the new word.
I thought about the possibility of how CC might have really hated the position of being "guard" who might have felt to be useful or have been asked to "make himself useful" while standing guard. I mean do you just stand there all day, or do you interact, or are you asked to interact, i.e. I'm paying you, do what you can to assist along the way. Some people like to be more than useful -- hey, I'm here, you are paying me, give me something to do. Some do not like the position of servitude -- but guess what, when you are employed, you are servant to your employer -- don't like it, save your dough and/or just get the h**l out and create your own deal (this takes courage).
Very interesting story you told (very interesting how you told it too!)...a story which I'm sure could be written up in a book. I would like to hear what eventually happened to this person who grew to loathing. PM me with more if you have the time!
So...did years of guard duty and feeling like you had to "protect a woman" (when maybe you had little respect for women in the first place) just so piss CC off that he was going to not only take out the vibrant woman in his life, but her offspring (forgetting they were his too?) Ummm, while using another woman...
ITA yes there seems to be a "theme" here, dare I say (or spell) mysogyny...?
arrot:
Wish we knew more about the relationship between RC & Connie. My hubby is extremely considerate of his mother and is also a wonderful husband and father. Sure there are numerous studies that link "objectifying" women with the mother/father relationship in the home you were raised in.
I remember we discussed plastic at some point - was that rumor or speculation? Is it possible he slipped plastic bags over their faces and then the ligatures?