UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #7

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Stephanie Sloop cried as she answered the judge's questions. Her husband, Nathan, appeared to twitch slightly. As he was led out of the courtroom, he looked out at the courtroom audience to find his mother. Upon spotting her, he mouthed the words: "I love you." Nathan Sloop's mother declined to comment to reporters. She was led out of the courthouse with a security escort, having received some threats.


http://www.fox13now.com/news/ethans...urder-in-death-of-ethan-stacy,0,3353492.story​
 
You know what picture (besides the obvious one) that just makes me crumble? The picture of his bedroom with the Cars bedspread. It's not even of little Ethan, but as a mom of a toddler boys I know how much little guys adore that movie. My little three year-old has watched it no less than 70 times, and I think I've watched it with him almost every time.

Seeing Lightning McQueen there just kills me. Knowing every line of that movie by heart like I do and picturing my little boys' faces while watching it...I can only imagine little Ethan laying on the floor with a blanket, watching Chick Hicks and Doc and Mater and...I just start sobbing. I'm really not prone to really emotional reactions to these cases, but I'm *weeping." I think I'll always see that film as a talisman of my boys' toddler years and to know Ethan isn't coming back to his room and that bed just really brings this case home for me.

I'm sorry. I know this isn't productive, but I've always felt like I could keep some vestige of objectivity when it comes to these cases and this case has just shattered that. I didn't even cry this hard for Benjamin Sargent, and I thought that was the worst I'd ever read.
 
Sadly, I predict that by the time this case goes to trial, there will be no appointed PD. Some high power lawyer will take on S Sloop as a client pro bono, have her declared indigent (taxpayers will then pay costs for experts,ect) and float a battered, terrified woman defense. :(

This case is breaking new ground and the free publicity will prove to be too tempting to resist. Some lawyer will want to make a name for themselves and go down in history.
 
http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15182519

According to the PC statements, Stephanie Sloop told police she knew Ethan needed medical attention following an initial May 5 disciplinary beating by Nathan Sloop, but that she was afraid he would harm her, too.

BBM...The excuses have already started floating!:banghead:
 
Paintr said:
Sadly, I predict that by the time this case goes to trial, there will be no appointed PD. Some high power lawyer will take on S Sloop as a client pro bono, have her declared indigent (taxpayers will then pay costs for experts,ect) and float a battered, terrified woman defense. :(

This case is breaking new ground and the free publicity will prove to be too tempting to resist. Some lawyer will want to make a name for themselves and go down in history.
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Sad to say, you are probably right. I didn't think I could dislike an attorney more then I do JB but I don't even know who this will be and I hate them already.
 
I have been thinking a lot about the posts that SS and NS felt Ethan was a connection to Joe and she wanted to retaliate against him and such. I have a slightly different opinion. We all know how sociopathic she and NS are. We know from what Southern Brunette has told us that it seems she was always craving attention and took credit for being the mother to Joes other children. She seemed to be very insecure about herself, she hooks up with NS and they are "so in love" and she is messaging other girls on the FB account that they are married or getting married and she would appreciate if they would stop contacting him, she deleted some of his friends. She for once was "in control" in this relationship. I don't know any woman that is so insecure they have to send messages to a guys friend to stop contacting him.

I for one feel very much like my son is an extension of me, he is part of me, I carried him in my womb for 9 months, gave birth to him, he is in fact part of who I am.

I am thinking that SS felt Ethan was a part of her and a part of her past of being insecure, I think she felt like NS let her do what she wanted and controlled him and who he talked to and for once in her life she felt like she was getting the control she wanted. Ethan came to their home and was too much in the way, he was hindering their blossoming sick love affair, he needed her, expected her to do motherly things for him and wanted her attention but she was too busy trying to please NS and start a new life. I think NS probably encouraged her to think that Ethan was part of her past, her insecurities and that all they needed was each other and could have their own child together and Ethan was part of her she needed to let go of so she could be free to be her new self and have a new life. I'm sure it had something to do with Joe as well, but I think this was more about her and Ethan reminded her too much of what she no longer wanted to be. JMO, as this case has really had me thinking about what if something happened to my son, I would no longer be the same person, almost all of me would be gone with him. :twocents:
 
I also really do not know what to say about NS mother. If she did in fact notice signs of abuse she should have called it in. I know as mothers we want to protect our children, his actions towards the mother of his daughter and who knows what other actions of violence he has done I'm sure she knew that he obviously lacked self control. You are far better off as a parent to report your child for abusing another child then you are to ignore it and let it go. If she did know abuse was happening, she could have saved the life of another child and the life of her own child.

These two would be facing a lot less right now had the abuse been reported, not that any abuse is right, but to put a stop to it before it leads to death and the painful torture Ethan went through is far better then ignoring it and thinking it will stop or never go that far. Ethan would have been returned to Joe where he was safe and there is nothing better than that, he may have had a broken jaw and other injuries but he would have been alive and these two worthless white trash scumb would not be facing LWOP or DP. I would report my child if they were doing these things and I would have taken Ethan from that home and kept him safe and hoped my child could get the extreme mental help they needed, but I would feel good about saving an innocent victim. I'm sure she loves NS, he is her son, but love is about trying to prevent you from further screwing up your life and the lives of others.

I just don't know what I would feel if my child did this....I would hate their actions, I would hate what they did and want the most suited punishment for them but I can't say that as a mother I would fully stop loving them, I just don't know. It has to be very hard to be the mother of a person who does something like this, I could not imagine. But you have an ethical responsibility to others and God, not just your own children. This case is on my mind all the time, all us mothers and even non mothers and fathers and just normal human beings do not understand it and it makes us sick and our hearts hurt for Ethan and his family. But I cannot say that I expect NS mother to not continue to love him, I do expect her to do what is right in the first place and now I expect her to accept his punishment but I'm sure she will never loose the true love a real mother has for their child, which is why Stephanie is no mother, she is a self serving and I hope she dies.:furious:
 
DairyGirl said:
Sad to say, you are probably right. I didn't think I could dislike an attorney more then I do JB but I don't even know who this will be and I hate them already.
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I don't hate them. I don't envy them either. The only defense either had has been nullified by their words and actions. A "win" for them will be LWOP to avoid the DP. They're certainly not going to get less than that, and they sure as he11 aren't getting acquitted.
 
Calliope said:
I don't blame you.

Wasn't it posted some time ago that NS's father was an Evangelical pastor?
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I think so.... didn't pay much attention to it as the best I could make of Nathan in his best light was a lamp shade.

JMO
 
songline said:
WOW! thanks....
So she put photos of her abused child on face book???
That is normal??? Is it a cry for help? or is it a sick joke?
Is it a plead for a 911 call or is it a big revenge to her previous husband?
what is that ? who puts pictures of their abused child on the Internet.
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SS was delusional enough to think that pic portrayed a happy family. She wrote something like, my two favorite boys playing video games. It wasn't a cry for help, and only a sociopath would put those pics on the internet. jmo, imo, moo, etc etc etc
 
Calliope said:
From SS's charging document:



She actively engaged in the abuse and the abuse resulted in his death.

DoD appears to have been before she claimed, as we suspected all along.

Thank God for the excellent work of the police, ME, and Mr. Rawlings in this case. Ethan has some good people fighting for him.
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What is DoD? and where in the doc's do you see that?
 
Ok, IMO, there is simply no way that SS was afraid of NS. She was deleting women off of his fb. ALSO, she was probably the one to change the fb page from just NS to both of them together. Imo, an abusive boyfriend/husband isn't even going to let the woman have a fb, much less share one with her. SS seems to be controlling the situation. I really didn't want to think that because it's hard to wrap my mind around how a 'mother' could do this. But after the card to Becky and the HA HA HA, I'm pretty sure she was controlling the situation or they were equally responsible. Furthermore, Mr. Rawlings must have thought so too otherwise they would not be charged with the same things. The first PC statements were not going to charge her with aggravated murder. They obviously found evidence that changed that.

On a side note, I think my backspace button is going to be toast by the time this case is over.
 
luvlife said:
So, if this is true, and they started abusing him on the 29th of April, wouldn't NS's mom have been aware of what was going on with Ethan? I think there is something hinky going on with her and that whole situation. There is no way, imo, she didn't have any idea that little boy was being abused.
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Early afternoon it was pointed out the media misprinted the facts... :angel:

In other words the abuse started BETWEEN April 29 and May 8. Not beginning April 29.
 
Just thinking out loud...

When I was a little kid my Dad worked in NYC. He got home from work about 7:30 pm or so. First thing my mother would tell him all the bad things we children did that day. We would hear the heavy tread on the stairs and quiver with fear in our beds. The covers were pulled back and we were spanked for the transgressions of the day. All these years later I believe my father reacted to my mother's anger. I guess what I am trying to say is perhaps NS was SS's extension to hurt Joe and also Ethan. I am not giving that filth a pass, believe me. I am just wondering if she does not hold as much/ more guilt than believed.

For God's sake, she was his MOTHER!
 
Cubby said:
What is DoD? and where in the doc's do you see that?
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Sorry. Date of death; I saw appears to be earlier because the dates are 4/29 through 5/8. Not 5/9, as she claimed.
 
Cubby said:
Early afternoon it was pointed out the media misprinted the facts... :angel:

In other words the abuse started BETWEEN April 29 and May 8. Not beginning April 29.
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True, but it could have started as early as that. Mr. Rawlings must have some evidence pointing to that being the case or else he wouldn't have put that date in there; he did indicate that they'd found much more evidence than what was noted in the probable cause docs. IMO, it started much earlier than we suspected.
 
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