Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #2

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sorry intermezzo, i didn't see that at the time i posted and then found the correct thread. If a mod can move mine - please do (i don't know how). thanx!
 
wenwe4 said:
sorry intermezzo, i didn't see that at the time i posted and then found the correct thread. If a mod can move mine - please do (i don't know how). thanx!
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:blowkiss:
I posted here before I realized the other thread was opened...
 
Oakley said:
These lyrics call to my mind those thousands of icon images she had downloaded. Both give an eerie glimpse into her state of mind, IMO. <shivers>
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She is some weird-arse chick.
 
I don't believe the diary is actually written in 2008 or has not been shown to be?
 
Solace said:
I don't believe the diary is actually written in 2008 or has not been shown to be?
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I believe so. The very first page shown on the slide of the OCSO numbered sheet and dates it as 12/08. At least that's what I saw.

I'll go try to find it.

Here is the slideshow that shows the OCSO sheet referencing the date.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html

It's for Dec. 2008, my mistake, but that is the day they did the search in KC's bedroom. Since the year is not on the page in the journal, seems Yuri M. had a computer study done to see if there had been any searches for the word combinations written in the journal. Lo and behold, more than one was found to have been deleted on 6/21/2008. Very unlikely that it was coincidental since all that was done at 5am in the morning. Here is the report about the computer study requested by Yuri.

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161355/detail.html

Please take note that of the phrases that were found, they are tied to 6/16/2008
 
Baznme said:
I believe so. The very first page shown on the slide of the OCSO numbered sheet and dates it as 12/08. At least that's what I saw.

I'll go try to find it.

Here is the slideshow that shows the OCSO sheet referencing the date.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html

It's for Dec. 2008, my mistake, but that is the day they did the search in KC's bedroom. Since the year is not on the page in the journal, seems Yuri M. had a computer study done to see if there had been any searches for the word combinations written in the journal. Lo and behold, more than one was found to have been deleted on 6/21/2008. Very unlikely that it was coincidental since all that was done at 5am in the morning. Here is the report about the computer study requested by Yuri.

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161355/detail.html

Please take note that of the phrases that were found, they are tied to 6/16/2008
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Thank you so much Baznme. Can you help me here. I can't get the phrases that were found to open.

Question: What did they do word searches for that would have to do with the diary. I am not following.

What was deleted on June 21st. I am sorry for all the questions, but if she wrote this in June of 2008, it is incredible. Please reply.

Are you referring to Seize the Day and Everyday is a brand new beginning?
 
Okay, I get it. This is unreal. Yuri is just great. Did you read the words to New Beginning? It is chilling.

Also, I had read that Cindy said the diary was written in 2005 or something, but Yuri had contacted the company and found the diary was a special edition and it did not come out for a couple of years later. I have the times not exact, but if this comes into evidence, I mean, I will be speakin in tongues.

It appears that the date on the left is 2003, the date on the written page is June 21st - there are pages removed. I don't know. What do you think?
 
Is there another link to more results of that study? The PDF in the second link doesn't help much as the only two matches are titles of songs that were pretty popular in the last decade. I think I have the one on my hard drive. I'm not seeing that OCSO found anything other than a couple common phrases used as song titles.

The diary, while probably not necessary for a conviction, is the one piece of evidence that I desperately want admitted into trial. Because it is a smoking gun in every since of the word.
 
Solace said:
Okay, I get it. This is unreal. Yuri is just great. Did you read the words to New Beginning? It is chilling.

Also, I had read that Cindy said the diary was written in 2005 or something, but Yuri had contacted the company and found the diary was a special edition and it did not come out for a couple of years later. I have the times not exact, but if this comes into evidence, I mean, I will be speakin in tongues.

It appears that the date on the left is 2003, the date on the written page is June 21st - there are pages removed. I don't know. What do you think?
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Intermezzo said:
Good Post JennyB

The State can prove the Journal was produced and sold in 2004.
The Defense brings in a witness to offer testimony that the ghost writing was about an event in 2003 early 2004.
So If the State decides to introduce it, it would come down to who the Juror believes? the Manufacturer of the Journal or the recollection (possibly foggy recollection) of a witness?

IMO and moving on from that it still would not prove, at least to me, that the June 21 entry did not occur in 2008 though.

IMO this is definitely an intriguing issue
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Here is your answer-therefore the 2003 was obviously backdating.
 
JWG said:
From the FBI report:

The K42 photojournal was manufactured by Penman Paper. According to information obtained from a representative of Penman Paper, the Penman Paper photojournals were a one-time specialty item distributed to Dollar General Stores in 2004.
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So much for the entry being written in 2003.
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LinasK said:
Here is your answer-therefore the 2003 was obviously backdating.
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I know I read that thread where it is thought somone put '03 on the opposite page and there was a whole comparison with Cindy's numbers. I think the most interesting thing is that the company said they did not make the diary in 2003. If that is true, then someone has some splainin to do.:maddening: But Cindy lies so much, e.g. on the stand about her prescripton change - Linda specifically asked her and she said my usual meds so here I am). I can see Cindy saying I don't know what to say someone made a mistake, mistakes get made all the time and therefore and such.

Where did KC learn to lie like this.

I will say this about that. A friend has toddler twins and she says the girls lies about everything; doesn't matter. So I know the mother is not teaching her that, but the idea is to put an end to it. Oh forget it, KC is a pathological liar and it is starting to look like Cindy and George are also.
 
And I know that I have unused journals around that I bought years ago. So while it's clear that it was backdated, it could have been written anytime up until the point KC was incarcerated. It doesn't look like they found anything too constructive in the computer search, but has anything ever been released on the ink itself? Is the '03 the same ink as those diary entries? Same pen? Was the pen around? Were there pages before THE entry written in another color? Does it appear the same writer wrote the date and that entry and at the same time? How time sensitive can QD specialists get--like if something was written weeks apart, can they tell? All questions I need to know the answer to, LOL. I think if there are pages in other colors and yet the date and the journal entry are both in red, then that's so telling to me. But that would show consciousness of guilt, so why would she even bother to write the entry anyway? why not destroy the journal? Did Cindy do the date after she was in jail? Is that the theory?
 
Solace said:
Okay, I get it. This is unreal. Yuri is just great. Did you read the words to New Beginning? It is chilling.

Also, I had read that Cindy said the diary was written in 2005 or something, but Yuri had contacted the company and found the diary was a special edition and it did not come out for a couple of years later. I have the times not exact, but if this comes into evidence, I mean, I will be speakin in tongues.

It appears that the date on the left is 2003, the date on the written page is June 21st - there are pages removed. I don't know. What do you think?
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The date on the left is from the OCSO identification sheet, correct? It has to be 2008. They weren't there in 2003.

The letter references 3 instances of a match, 2 related to songs and one to a facebook message that was deleted at some strange hour, 1am?

Thing I'm scratching my head about is GA said he saw ICA and Caylee leaving around noon right? Was Caylee on her shoulder but already deceased unbeknownst to him, but she snuck her out of the house saying she was sleeping? Because her writings indicated she had already done what she had no regrets about. I don't know. I'm as confused as anybody but it seems there is some merit to this investigation of the journal.
 
Starting on pg. 18 there is a lot of good discussion and sleuthing about this.
 
Baznme said:
The date on the left is from the OCSO identification sheet, correct? It has to be 2008. They weren't there in 2003.

The letter references 3 instances of a match, 2 related to songs and one to a facebook message that was deleted at some strange hour, 1am?

Thing I'm scratching my head about is GA said he saw ICA and Caylee leaving around noon right? Was Caylee on her shoulder but already deceased unbeknownst to him, but she snuck her out of the house saying she was sleeping? Because her writings indicated she had already done what she had no regrets about. I don't know. I'm as confused as anybody but it seems there is some merit to this investigation of the journal.
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No, look on Page 13 of the 75 pages you were nice enough to post for me. It says '03 at the top in the left hand corner, then "Seize the Day" and something else. Opposite that she writes about how she feels - there are pages ripped out also.

I read that some believe CA put in "03 after she found the diary and had heart failure reading it.

Regarding George seeing them. He saw them on the 16th. She wrote this on the 21st.

I don't see the discrepancy in that? Am I understanding you?
 
Solace said:
No, look on Page 13 of the 75 pages you were nice enough to post for me. It says '03 at the top in the left hand corner, then "Seize the Day" and something else. Opposite that she writes about how she feels - there are pages ripped out also.

I read that some believe CA put in "03 after she found the diary and had heart failure reading it.

Regarding George seeing them. He saw them on the 16th. She wrote this on the 21st.

I don't see the discrepancy in that? Am I understanding you?
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yes, you are right. GA saw her on the 16th of June with Caylee. The entry in the journal was 21st of June. I get that June - July timeframe confused. Sorry.

It was July 16th that the deletions showed up on the laptop, the day she got arrested. Could Yuri's investigation on this journal and the words she used have any correlation to the timeframe in question with Caylee's disappearance? Do you see any way LE can use this journal?
 
Solace said:
Okay, I get it. This is unreal. Yuri is just great. Did you read the words to New Beginning? It is chilling.

Also, I had read that Cindy said the diary was written in 2005 or something, but Yuri had contacted the company and found the diary was a special edition and it did not come out for a couple of years later. I have the times not exact, but if this comes into evidence, I mean, I will be speakin in tongues.

It appears that the date on the left is 2003, the date on the written page is June 21st - there are pages removed. I don't know. What do you think?
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My Problem with the journal is the fact that she apparently didn't have it at Tony's. Yuri Mellich emailed a picture of it to Tony. There was IIRC something in a recent discovery release from Tony's father, stating, that Tony did not recall seeing the journal. And didn't Tony pack all her gear up in anticipation of Lee coming over July 15th/16th.

For those 31 days Casey was sneaking back to the house (emphasis on sneaking). Per her phone pings, she was there primarily for short periods of time, probably raiding Cindy's fridge, looking for cash and picking up clothes. And ofcourse quite possibly on one trip, trying to bury Caylee. :thud: I just don't see her taking time out to go seek out her old journal, jot down some very deep and potentially incriminating thoughts then leave Hopespring without it. :waitasec: Whether fantasy or not, I don't think ICA figured she would have to live with the folks ever again.

MOO
 
Granted, we don't know when the backdating was done, only that it wasn't written in 2003, had to be after 2004. But the simplest, most obvious explanation is that it was written in 2008 to explain Casey's happiness at her new found freedom from motherhood and wondering if she will get caught.
 
krisskross said:
My Problem with the journal is the fact that she apparently didn't have it at Tony's. Yuri Mellich emailed a picture of it to Tony. There was IIRC something in a recent discovery release from Tony's father, stating, that Tony did not recall seeing the journal. And didn't Tony pack all her gear up in anticipation of Lee coming over July 15th/16th.

For those 31 days Casey was sneaking back to the house (emphasis on sneaking). Per her phone pings, she was there primarily for short periods of time, probably raiding Cindy's fridge, looking for cash and picking up clothes. And ofcourse quite possibly on one trip, trying to bury Caylee. :thud: I just don't see her taking time out to go seek out her old journal, jot down some very deep and potentially incriminating thoughts then leave Hopespring without it. :waitasec: Whether fantasy or not, I don't think ICA figured she would have to live with the folks ever again.

MOO
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Hi KK,

I find it hard to be lieve that she would take a chance like this myself. But knowing the chances she took outright, killing her and driving around with her in her car and then returning to the house twice and backing in to the garage tells me it is possible. She could do that. She could have been in the house. It was quiet; saw her diary and wrote that. Would not have taken long - Could have been a little nervous and felt that writing it would be good. She says in the diary - she is a little nervous. I can see her doing it. She doesn't think like you or I.

I don't believe it can be proven, I know they mentioned the diary at the hearing.

But I could see her doing that. She was back and forth a lot. Look how she just walked in on George. That tells me she was feeling pretty "safe"; she did not care at that point. Just came right in.

You can't get much crazier than driving around with a dead child in your trunk - seriously. She might have done the diary thing.
 
JSR said:
Beach, I don't think LE COULD confiscate it. It probably wasn't listed as one of the items on the search warrant. And whatever wasn't listed on the search warrant wouldn't be collected legally and could be thrown out as evidence all together.

I'm just so thankful they took the pictures. I'm sure without the proof that it existed Cindy would have destroyed it. And it would have been a he said/she said deal.
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The following is just MOO, based upon studying the threads in this forum and the evidence. Thank you to everyone who has spent hours researching, analyzing and posting about this fascinating case. I will be following the trial along with you next month

Assuming that SB and GA are correct about the smell of human decomp in the Pontiac's trunk, and that eyewitness accounts and KC's lack of a credible alibi place her under suspicion...

The period of time between mid-June and early July offered plenty of time for this diary entry to have been written. By the time KC was in custody, both KC and CA had had access to KC's diary between the time of her first arrest and when it was submitted to Conway. Regardless of who scrawled "'03" in the same angle as "June 21" in the opposing page corner, it's obviously a coverup!
 
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