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Many of the individuals listed in the who's who thread seemed to groom their victims, abused the same ones over a period of years or had multiple victims but no history of murdering them. Jacob's case is different- he was snatched (in front of two witnesses) and has never been seen since.

I realize there are many types of pedophiles, (i.e. groomers, victimize and release, repeatedly victimize same child, kidnap and keep, kidnap and murder) and there seemed to be a rash of attempted abductions or at the least, something strange going on in that area before and after Jacob's abduction. Is it possible someone with a history like Parnell's or Devlin's was passing though MN (or even from a neighbouring town) and took Jacob?

I keep going back to the number of young boys who went missing in the mid to late 80's across the US and those pictures that surfaced years later that many suspect contained an image of JG. We've heard of women in recent years who are being trafficked for money, is it too far fetched to believe the same was happening years ago with young males?

Mossad keeps dropping bread crumbs in the direction of someone local. Jared was released. If the same perp took Jacob then why not release him too, unless something went horribly wrong or Jacob recognized him?
 
I don't think anyone knows. If they do, don't you think LE should be told?
 
thenotebook said:
Which matches perfectly with the weird 'medical cop' sitting in the parking lot just minutes after the abduction.
I'd love to know how/why LE was able to 'clear' Feeney. Seems to be too many odd coincidences with him in the area, on Jacob's actual street at the time of the abduction, has radios in his car, his perverted history, etc.
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^^^this^^^

Assuming the email sent to the website is accurate, MF has voluntarily placed himself at the right time and place to abduct Jacob. This little email is something of an alibi-explanation to anyone who might have seen him that night in all the wrong places. Sounds like BS, sounds like Kevin's story to me - meant to explain why he might be sighted all over the place that night.

Who wants to try to verify if MF really dropped off a kid that night?
...and even if he did....
he could still be involved in Jacob's crime. This is just too coincidental. You don't have an alcoholic and a missing bottle of booze without thinking the alcoholic drank it.

shergal said:
..., so you may think he’s too young to have been involved in Jacob’s abduction. He would have been the same age as Kevin in 1989....
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You might read any of the criminal profiling books by Ressler or Douglas.
Teenagers can't get away with sophisticated crimes. They are inexperienced, irrational, immature. It just never happens. They make mistakes all over the place and invariably get caught (or at least identified) within a few days of any crime they commit.

I'm not saying don't look at this guy, I'm saying this crime is too much for a boy like him or Kevin to pull off...but both of them still have some explaining to do.

puppyraiser said:
Many of the individuals listed in the who's who thread seemed to groom their victims, abused the same ones over a period of years or had multiple victims but no history of murdering them. Jacob's case is different- he was snatched (in front of two witnesses) and has never been seen since. ...
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Right, Jacob's case points to something very different. In fact, most sex crimes and most violent crimes in general are not 'stranger danger' crimes, they are from someone known. Most sex criminals groom their victims, and those that are snatcher types tend to be disorganized, leave clues, etc. because they are truly disturbed and not thinking rationally.

Also, no one all of the sudden becomes a sex criminal in their mid 30s. There is always a pettern before and after. Likewise, no one starts at age 19 with the ability to abduct a boy forever and get away with it.





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puppyraiser said:
Many of the individuals listed in the who's who thread seemed to groom their victims, abused the same ones over a period of years or had multiple victims but no history of murdering them. Jacob's case is different- he was snatched (in front of two witnesses) and has never been seen since.

I realize there are many types of pedophiles, (i.e. groomers, victimize and release, repeatedly victimize same child, kidnap and keep, kidnap and murder) and there seemed to be a rash of attempted abductions or at the least, something strange going on in that area before and after Jacob's abduction. Is it possible someone with a history like Parnell's or Devlin's was passing though MN (or even from a neighbouring town) and took Jacob?

I keep going back to the number of young boys who went missing in the mid to late 80's across the US and those pictures that surfaced years later that many suspect contained an image of JG. We've heard of women in recent years who are being trafficked for money, is it too far fetched to believe the same was happening years ago with young males?

Mossad keeps dropping bread crumbs in the direction of someone local. Jared was released. If the same perp took Jacob then why not release him too, unless something went horribly wrong or Jacob recognized him?
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Part in bold - the claims that those pictures are of Johnny Gosch lack credibility to say the least. And while I've no doubt there was, and still is, a trafficking business specialising in children, I don't believe that they snatched children like Gosch, Wetterling etc. Those who engage in people trafficking don't snatch middle class women from secure families who will search for them off the side of the road - they exploit women from poor countries who are desparate to get into America, or they exploit women who are runaway or throwaway or somehow down on their luck. I see no reason to believe that child traffickers would behave any different.

As for the question in your last paragraph - Jared's abductor asked him repeatedly if he could recognise him, and Jared said no. Yet when Jared went to the police he was able to give a complete enough description for them to produce a picture to release to the media. If the kidnapper saw that, and he most likely did if he was local, that would reduce the chances of his next victim being allowed to live to tell the tale.
 
You'd think LE would have been told or know by now but that's obviously not the case.
 
When I saw the one perp sketch on Charley Project, Arthur Shawcross came to mind immediately. Although he is remembered as a prostitute killer, in 1972 he lured a 10-year-old named Jack Blake into some woods where he sexually assaulted and murdered the boy. The problem is that Shawcross was apparently in New York the day after Jacob's abduction murdering a woman named June Stott. Extremely unlikely that he made a 16 hour drive to commit two murders
 
STANDREID said:
When I saw the one perp sketch on Charley Project, Arthur Shawcross came to mind immediatly. Although he is remembered as a prostitue killer, in 1972 he lured a 10-year-old named Jack Blake into some woods where he sexually assaulted and murdered the boy. The problem is that Shawcross was appaerntly in New York the day after Jacob's abduction murdering a woman named June Stott. Extremely unlikely that he made a 16 hour drive to commit two murders
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Unless he hightailed it out of state with Jacob to avoid detection, and then as a result ended up in New York where he murdered June Stott.

Like Parnell, its not terribly likely but his name should be noted as a potential anyway.
 
Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case. Vern Hartenburg, Dean Runkle and others. (Dean Runkle's picture closely matches that of a man with glasses who attempted an abduction in St. Joe before Jacob was taken.)

Amy Mihaljevic was murdered 25 years ago on October 27, 1989. Fibers found on Amy’s body trace back to a brown Pontiac. Her killer may have kept a number of items that were never recovered. Turquoise horse-head earrings; a Buick “Best in Class” binder; her backpack; her boots.

The date is very close to Jacob’s abduction, and none of his items (jacket, etc.) where ever found.

Main site:
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com

This is a list of those who were questioned other possible suspects who could be checked on also.
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com/p/persons-of-interest.html
 
shergal said:
Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case. Vern Hartenburg, Dean Runkle and others. (Dean Runkle's picture closely matches that of a man with glasses who attempted an abduction in St. Joe before Jacob was taken.)

Amy Mihaljevic was murdered 25 years ago on October 27, 1989. Fibers found on Amy’s body trace back to a brown Pontiac. Her killer may have kept a number of items that were never recovered. Turquoise horse-head earrings; a Buick “Best in Class” binder; her backpack; her boots.

The date is very close to Jacob’s abduction, and none of his items (jacket, etc.) where ever found.

Main site:
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com

This is a list of those who were questioned other possible suspects who could be checked on also.
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com/p/persons-of-interest.html
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It's interesting to me how much more interest there is in Jacob's case than Amy's. Amy's case has 68 posts on WS, Jacob's case has 18,000 posts. They were both 10-year-old kids abducted five days apart in a mysterious and sensational manner. There are suspects for both cases to discuss. They both have the whole bogeyman angle. Maybe if Jacob's abduction had gotten huge national coverage in '89 and it completely overshadowed Amy, that could explain it, but I don't believe that occured. Is it due to Amy being found dead, and Jacob still being missing? But even that doesn't seem like an adequate explanation. Maybe there isn't one.
 
shergal said:
Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case.
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Amy's killer was IMO found by the FBI and Robert Ressler who says about the prime suspect in his book Whoever Fights Monsters:

"The day that the finding of Amy's body was reported in the newspapers, the suspect mixed dry gas in a glass of Coke and drank it, committing suicide."*

This suspect was scrutinized because he inserted himself into the investigation for no legitimate reason and sent a bizarre sympathy card to Amy's mother. The family sanitized his one-room dwelling upon his suicide before the FBI and police could search for conclusive evidence.

Besides, Amy's body was found. Fairly quickly. Jacob's wasn't. This is of critical importance because it indicates the difference between a sloppy crime committed by a disorganized, mentally unbalanced criminal versus the crime committed by a pro with rational thinking and effective technique as we see in Jacob's case. Amy's case is on many levels different than Jacob's....abducted in a public place, stalked the victim, lured the victim, body found, known attempts by the abductor to lure other girls (the phone calls to Amy and her classmates.)

There is really a lot of information about abductions in the relevant literature. Looking at the known evidence in Jacob's case and studying it thoroughly is key. We can surmise quite a bit about his abductor based on similar crimes. Similar crimes are not similar because they happened at around the same time. Understanding the factual and evidence-based techniques of criminal profiling and how they relate to Jacob's case will keep us from unlikely connections. The information is out there, use it.



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N. Minneapolis kidnapper may have struck before.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...ls-released-in-mpls-kidnapping-case/20454041/

Stranger abductions are very rare -- only about 115 per year nationwide -- and Feigh says the abductors fit a profile.

"It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."
 
Sasquatch321 said:
N. Minneapolis kidnapper may have struck before.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...ls-released-in-mpls-kidnapping-case/20454041/

Stranger abductions are very rare -- only about 115 per year nationwide -- and Feigh says the abductors fit a profile.

"It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."
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"It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."

Completing the profile, Feigh says stranger abductors are overwhelmingly white men in their late 20's to early 30's and two thirds have a criminal past
 
One third do not have a criminal past.
 
1) We know MF had a gun or an access to guns (search Webslueths for pic of MF with Gun)
2) We know MF is an actor and had access to props and make-up (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
3) We know MF is an actor and has the ability to change his voice to be a "character" (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
4) We know MF was near the scene at or near the time of the abduction (his own words....see link in previous comment)
5) We know MF had a blue/dark blue police style car (auctioned off police car?.........it had the spotlight)
6) We know MF had an affinity for radios/scanners (FCC license)
7) We know MF has molested children in the past on multiple occasions
8) We know MF rented Police Props ([video=youtube;K1wFeCw34dA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1wFeCw34dA[/video]) That is MF to the right of the "perp" as the perp crawls out of the manhole cover. I can't prove that MF rented the costumes for that "shoot" (in that I can't provide a verifiable link) so I will just say that in my opinion he rented them for that "shoot".

What we don't know, is what MF says is his alibi for the night JW was abducted. How do we sleuth the answer to that?
 
Mickleham said:
1) We know MF had a gun or an access to guns (search Webslueths for pic of MF with Gun)
2) We know MF is an actor and had access to props and make-up (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
3) We know MF is an actor and has the ability to change his voice to be a "character" (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
4) We know MF was near the scene at or near the time of the abduction (his own words....see link in previous comment)
5) We know MF had a blue/dark blue police style car (auctioned off police car?.........it had the spotlight)
6) We know MF had an affinity for radios/scanners (FCC license)
7) We know MF has molested children in the past on multiple occasions
8) We know MF rented Police Props ([video=youtube;K1wFeCw34dA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1wFeCw34dA[/video]) That is MF to the right of the "perp" as the perp crawls out of the manhole cover. I can't prove that MF rented the costumes for that "shoot" (in that I can't provide a verifiable link) so I will just say that in my opinion he rented them for that "shoot".

What we don't know, is what MF says is his alibi for the night JW was abducted. How do we sleuth the answer to that?
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LE has cleared him twice. So why is the solid alibi still a secret? Because if you had to clear him twice, it may take three times. Only LE, MF, or his attorney can make it known, so we have to talk to them.
 
StinkSprings said:
Are you attempting to steer this conversation towards DR? This thread is for Non-POI discussion.
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Hm. That is who came to mind ? Interesting.

If 1/3 do not have a criminal history, that sure increases the candidates.

What can we post about Hollinger and the guy who was in prison or was it jail who had the car taken apart?
 
Both Freeney and Bahner have put themselves at or near the crime scene that evening. Unless they're all connected somehow someone is lying or embellishing.
 
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