Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

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Has anyone been able to determine whether LB had any tattoos &/or piercings?

In the TPS press conference Det. Carbone mentions that Laura has her navel pierced and that she is deaf in her left ear. On the Help Us Find Laura FB page there are photos of the bow-shaped ring and the hamsa charm necklace she often wore, although it has not been confirmed she was wearing either at the time of her disappearance.
 
Although the phone numbers that text messages were sent to would be available, the actual contents of the message aren't kept in a database by most carriers. Telus keeps them for 30 days for troubleshooting.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/03/27/technology-telus-text-messages-scc-decision.html

In spite of that, I can understand him not wanting to tell someone who was "only an acquaintance", in writing, that he had been supplying someone with drugs, which is what SL has claimed he said.

But were there text messages ??? of course we may never know.....
I did read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing. One friend says she called him on July 1st never left a message and he did not call her back. He said he had not heard from her in the year before that. I find that rather odd..... why was LB trying to find someone to speak to ????? Where was she and what was she trying to tell someone??

Mods...Can we link the 'Please Help us Fuind Laura Facebook'? please advise and sorry if this has been asked before and I have missed it.

If someone is frantically calling people she has not spoken to in ages, I think you have to ask why? Where was she and what was so important?
 
Yes you can link the HUFL FB page but of course MSM links are preferable.

Just a reminder you cant copy and paste. You can paraphrase and point to a comment you find that may reference your line of thinking. Also, use initials only please.

I do want to add a post from FB still considered unsubstantiated information (rumor), and members can use their own discretion to believe it, disregard it, or consider it as a possibility. It's not a valid basis for argument. For example, I could say, "according to LB's aunt, she might have contacted someone on July 5. See the post at this link from June xx at xx:xx a.m." But if I post, "it's a known fact that LB was in contact with someone on July 5," the post would be snipped or removed.
 
But were there text messages ??? of course we may never know.....
I did read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing. One friend says she called him on July 1st never left a message and he did not call her back. He said he had not heard from her in the year before that. I find that rather odd..... why was LB trying to find someone to speak to ????? Where was she and what was she trying to tell someone??

Mods...Can we link the 'Please Help us Fuind Laura Facebook'? please advise and sorry if this has been asked before and I have missed it.

If someone is frantically calling people she has not spoken to in ages, I think you have to ask why? Where was she and what was so important?

bbm
I brought this topic up because of a quote from SL stating DM refused to discuss anything via text message, my thoughts on it were that anything DM said would have been 'in writing' so to speak, whether or not it was permanent SL would have had at least something to show. My opinion is if DM had nothing to hide, he wouldn't have been so concerned to discuss it with SL via text
 
But were there text messages ??? of course we may never know.....
I did read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing. One friend says she called him on July 1st never left a message and he did not call her back. He said he had not heard from her in the year before that. I find that rather odd..... why was LB trying to find someone to speak to ????? Where was she and what was she trying to tell someone??

Mods...Can we link the 'Please Help us Fuind Laura Facebook'? please advise and sorry if this has been asked before and I have missed it.

If someone is frantically calling people she has not spoken to in ages, I think you have to ask why? Where was she and what was so important?

Blomquist - can you advise where you read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing?

While you ask if the 'Please Help us Find Laura Facebook' be linked, you are not clear if that is your source for the 'several calls' especially since you only mention one call.

FWIW - I think you are correct in the now closed 'DM Innocent Dupe?' thread, page 9, post #215 '... IMO I think we need more solid information before we can ascertain any viable theories ...'

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209843&page=9
 
I have to say, when people i usually never hear from come out of the woodwork to call me, (rather than email), they want something. They're never calling to say hello. It doesn't happen to me often but the times that it has, they've wanted one thing desperately and that's money.

The following comments are MOO.

LB may have asked people for drugs or a place to stay, or she may have asked for money to get these things herself, and that can be construed as he same thing by some. Keep in mind that if she had a bad habit it may not have been the first time she asked people and nobody is going to keep dishing out if they see she is on a downward spiral OR more selfishly because she didnt it pay back the first time. I am not saying this happened, because I do not know any of LB's friends. Given that many friends were the age to still be students, she may have persisted in calling DM because a) he can't say he doesn't have the money; b) he probably has shown a laissez-faire attitude about drugs in the past therefore he wouldn't judge her or c) he's sympathetic, a pushover or just a nice guy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "relationship" LE talked about had just as much to do with drug supply as it had to do with romantic supply. 100% Speculation by me.

The sad part is that while she was looking for a home, LB looks like she came from a very loving one, but going back there didn't seem like an option in her mind. Perhaps there were conditions she wasnt prepared to meet? I really feel for her mom. I felt so bad for her when media showed up at her door and then she was criticized for being "unfazed" by the Millard connection like she was cold-hearted. I can only imagine what she'd been through already and what she is going through now. It sickens me when someone is judged because they didnt get dramatic or emotional enough for the cameras. If I could meet Mrs.B on the street I would want to give her a big hug.
 
Jonesing?

Again it's easy to keep diverting back to drugs sex and alcohol IMO

What if she had been taken and holed up somewhere ?

What if she was hiding and scared and trying to get help?

What if she was being followed and was frantically texting to get hold of someone?

What if she was depressed and needed a friend?

What if she was suicidal and calling for help?

So many possibilities and yet no-one really thinks about it. IMO

She was obviously under some kind of pressure in the months before her disappearance .... even SL said her demeanor changed. Was she being hounded...was she being threatened?

I know its easy to keep harping on about drugs, sex and alcohol but it's not the be all and end all....JMO
 
I brought this topic up because of a quote from SL stating DM refused to discuss anything via text message, my thoughts on it were that anything DM said would have been 'in writing' so to speak, whether or not it was permanent SL would have had at least something to show. My opinion is if DM had nothing to hide, he wouldn't have been so concerned to discuss it with SL via text

That's what I thought as well Skatergirl (MOO)
 
I have to say, when people i usually never hear from come out of the woodwork to call me, (rather than email), they want something. They're never calling to say hello. It doesn't happen to me often but the times that it has, they've wanted one thing desperately and that's money.

The following comments are MOO.

LB may have asked people for drugs or a place to stay, or she may have asked for money to get these things herself, and that can be construed as he same thing by some. Keep in mind that if she had a bad habit it may not have been the first time she asked people and nobody is going to keep dishing out if they see she is on a downward spiral OR more selfishly because she didnt it pay back the first time. I am not saying this happened, because I do not know any of LB's friends. Given that many friends were the age to still be students, she may have persisted in calling DM because a) he can't say he doesn't have the money; b) he probably has shown a laissez-faire attitude about drugs in the past therefore he wouldn't judge her or c) he's sympathetic, a pushover or just a nice guy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "relationship" LE talked about had just as much to do with drug supply as it had to do with romantic supply. 100% Speculation by me.

The sad part is that while she was looking for a home, LB looks like she came from a very loving one, but going back there didn't seem like an option in her mind. Perhaps there were conditions she wasnt prepared to meet? I really feel for her mom. I felt so bad for her when media showed up at her door and then she was criticized for being "unfazed" by the Millard connection like she was cold-hearted. I can only imagine what she'd been through already and what she is going through now. It sickens me when someone is judged because they didnt get dramatic or emotional enough for the cameras. If I could meet Mrs.B on the street I would want to give her a big hug.

Totally agree! I had a friend contact me last summer by calling, that I had previously only heard from via facebook or text message for the occasional :hey, how's it going" and when I got the phone call, it was indeed to ask for a 'loan' of money. This is a 'friend' which I know is involved with drugs, and more than just the recreational pot use now and then. It doesn't take much in that world to get in over your head, and despite what a lot of people think, the majority of people involved in hard drug use, whether it is personal or for profit, doesn't have any direct involvement with any form of OC. All JMO
 
Blomquist - can you advise where you read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing?

While you ask if the 'Please Help us Find Laura Facebook' be linked, you are not clear if that is your source for the 'several calls' especially since you only mention one call.

FWIW - I think you are correct in the now closed 'DM Innocent Dupe?' thread, page 9, post #215 '... IMO I think we need more solid information before we can ascertain any viable theories ...'

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209843&page=9

There were several calls to various people showing on her phone bill. There is one number on it, other than DM, who she called/texted 5 times on July 1st and 2nd.

http://websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34525&d=1370022410
 
Blomquist - can you advise where you read that LB called several people in the days prior to her going missing?

While you ask if the 'Please Help us Find Laura Facebook' be linked, you are not clear if that is your source for the 'several calls' especially since you only mention one call.

FWIW - I think you are correct in the now closed 'DM Innocent Dupe?' thread, page 9, post #215 '... IMO I think we need more solid information before we can ascertain any viable theories ...'

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209843&page=9

Here is the Facebook page for Laura :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/448222475198966/?ref=ts&fref=ts

If you go back to last year you will find a few interesting posts including about Laura calling people.

Thanks...yes I do believe we need more solid evidence...its surprising to me that so little is available.... JMO
 
Again it's easy to keep diverting back to drugs sex and alcohol IMO ...

... even SL said her demeanor changed. Was she being hounded...was she being threatened?

I know its easy to keep harping on about drugs, sex and alcohol but it's not the be all and end all....JMO
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If we are to believe SL that her demeanor had changed, then why do we not believe SL's other claims about DM, and more specifically when he says that DM had been supplying LB with cocaine for months?
 
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If we are to believe SL that her demeanor had changed, then why do we not believe SL's other claims about DM, and more specifically when he says that DM had been supplying LB with cocaine for months?

I don't necessarily believe anything I read.... and I think people can believe whatever they like. I did not read anything about cocaine....and I personally believe that DM was used as DP claims.... I also think SL's version of things is questionable...but thats JMO
 
I don't necessarily believe anything I read.... and I think people can believe whatever they like. I did not read anything about cocaine....and I personally believe that DM was used as DP claims.... I also think SL's version of things is questionable...but thats JMO

But cherry-picking to believe one claim made by SL (re her demeanour), while at the same time discarding his other claims (DM selling LB cocaine for months), IMO doesn't make sense. You either find the guy credible or not.
 
I have to say that I feel very badly for LB's family, there is no closure for them and there may never be. It is very sad to think that something happened in LB's life to take her from a her good family and promising school path to a place of desperation where she may have been somewhat cast-off by her friends when they didn't or couldn't favourably respond to her calls for what I have to assume were seeking help of one kind or another. I agree with you, Snoofo that usually when someone calls after a long absence it is usually because they need or want something, and sadly, when people realize that is the point of the call, they often find an excuse to get off the phone and maybe not answer it again the next time they call. Or even if they call regularly, but lately have always been asking for things, it makes a person not want to answer their calls anymore. I can see that as being a logical reason why DM might have ignored the phone calls. I don't think the next logical jump is to kill the annoying caller though, and I cannot see why anyone would assume that, no matter what purchases were made that month. If DM had bought a chainsaw that month instead, or the wood chipper, or even a baseball bat, would it still be so readily assumed that he had killed her? Is it too difficult to also suppose she might have instead said to herself 'Screw all these so called friends who won't answer my calls, I'm outta here!'?

To me part of the mystery is that if she had a good friend like SL who cared for her and was willing to provide her with the things she needed, why did she still have to call around to everyone else, weren't her needs now met? Did she perhaps not want to be obligated to him? I am one of the people who are of the opinion that she may have only taken his help out of desperation, but was still perhaps trying to distance herself from their past relationship. In my personal experience, the only time I was in a relationship with someone who wanted to know my passwords, especially for FB and such personal sites such as email or banking, it was because they felt the need to control more of my life and snoop through my correspondences looking to see who might be hitting on me. And for what it's worth, that person ended up pleading guilty to an assault charge as a result of an email. That's only my experience, I cannot speak for Laura, but I believe that to LE this is a fairly common story, and I can imagine that LE might jump to the conclusion that she had left to get away from a controlling ex.

To me, the thing that gives me hope that she is still alive somewhere in the world is that she brought her dog back home before she left. From what I hear, in the world of escorts, there are a lot of opportunities for international travel, especially for pretty, fresh faced young blondes or those seeking adventure (or escape or so called easy money). I imagine it is often on short notice, and even if an animal had all the necessary paperwork and shots and possible quarantine in time, is there really someone willing to pay for their escort to bring her dog along? And would one really be able to take care of it in a foreign land while working full time (which, in that occupation could really be 24 hours a day or more)? In that case I think the only thing to do would be to drop it off somewhere safe, where you know that they won't just get sick of your dog and give it away (or try to keep it), especially if you are not sure how long you will be gone for.

But I have to be honest and say that dropping off her dog is also the same thing that makes me sadly also suspect that she may have killed herself instead. Before the escort allegations came out, when her friends on the the FB page seemed to be acting like there was something no one was saying, I remember seeing the word 'tendencies' pop up frequently in reference to LB, and I honestly thought that they were talking about suicidal tendencies, since 'suicidal' is a word that often comes before 'tendencies'. I wouldn't say someone has prostitutional tendencies, I would associate the word prostitution with words like 'dallying in' or 'dabbling in' or 'penchant for', but maybe I'm a word snob. And I have known people to kill themselves over lessor things than heavy drug use or feeling degraded from selling their body or being homeless. Some people will kill themselves because someone they really loved broke up with them, which could also possibly explain the large amount of phone calls in a short span that went unanswered.

There are many possibilities about what could have happened to Laura, but I feel strongly that someone does not drop their dog off with their parents because they are planning on being murdered. I believe someone also pointed out that there are some heavy drugs like meth that can so dramatically alter your appearance in such a short time that she could be living on the streets in Toronto and be completely unrecognizable, and also have her brain be so fried out that she doesn't realize what's going on at all. Or she could be somewhere great, doing well, and fully aware that DM is suspected of killing her, and thinking it's funny how when she needed his help he turned her down, now look who needs whose help. There are too many possibilities and no real clues. But, honestly, I really don't see any motive for DM to harm her either.
 
Is it too difficult to also suppose she might have instead said to herself 'Screw all these so called friends who won't answer my calls, I'm outta here!'? bbm from Jubalee's post

That's truly optimistic in this case and I would hope that's really what happened.

Maybe she was tired of hearing friends' and loved ones' solutions to her problems and just wanted some silence.

IF she's heard via the grapevine of DM's current legal problems she may be loathe to help or show up at all.
 
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