Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #5

AllyG said:

I'm off for the night. Just thought I'd post a beautiful picture of the beautiful lady who may be gone, but is definitely not forgotten.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/05/09/1226351/429271-allison-baden-clay.jpg

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A beautiful photo. It's so very heartbreaking...

Zorro said:

There was no 'Lord Baden-Clay' - Baden-Powell.
GBC and his siblings were born as 'Clay'. NBC changed the surname by deed poll after they were born.

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Sorry... Lord Baden-Clay was obvious type... should have read Lord Baden-Powell.

Topic 2 - The Accounting Career

There has been a bit of media (and also on C21 website) about him being a high achiever with particular mention of his accounting career.

In GBC Linkedin account it says he worked for a big 4 accounting firm (deliberately not named here) straight out of University. In such firms it is normal for graduate accountants to work for 12 months at the firm before enrolling in the Professional Year Program with the Australian Institute of Chartered Accountants in their second year. I dont recall his Linkedin account saying he ever attained the Chartered Accountant status... so what happened?

My sources who worked at that same firm with GBC say that whilst he received an offer of employment in mid 1990 (final year of uni) to commence in January 1991, he subsequently failed one or more subjects at Uni in his 3rd year so was not eligible to graduate at the end of 1990. Despite this, he started employment with the firm and reinrolled in the failed subject/s parttime hoping that the firm would not find out. Alas... the problem was compounded when he failed the subject a second time...still no degree!. Whilst he again reinrolled to take the subject a 3rd time, the problem was that all the firms graduate accountants (him included) were coming to the end of their first year and were now required to enrol in the PY program. The catch... the Institute requires applicants to show evidence of their degree... which GBC could not do. At this point I think he was sprung as questions were asked as to why he had not enrolled. I imagine his days were numbered at the firm after that. He subsequently jumped ship into an accounting industry role but stayed less than a year before taking an entry level position with Flight Centre as a Travel Consultant... hardly an acounting career to boast about but then again, never let the facts get in the way of a good facade of respectibility

coolcat said:

I too have suffered terribly with Depression and have moments of highs and Lows..But it is not for anyone else to comment on and use as an excuse for certain behaviour and my point in saying this RE: Olivias comments were because given what we suspect GBC was having an affair this could possibly be a reason for her depression provided she actually suffered from it in the first place. So for GBC's family to openly state and insinuate her disappearance could be due to depression is insulting and just plain disrespectful.

Wouldn't it have been easier or nicer for them to have said "Allison Please come home and if there is anything we can do for you we can help?" But "NO!" it sounded more like an accusation and rather blaz'e in the tone of the whole statement....IMO

so like I said before had Allison just dissapeared and not been murdered if I were her I would of been Damn Cranky that she had told the world that I was depressed.

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I hear what you are saying now......they had no right to even mention Allison's personal feelings thoughts state of mind, especially at that point? especially seeing as they weren't even close enough and loving enough to shed a coupla TEARS???? oh yeah...i hear you, and thanks for your reply to my reply !! i normally don't like to directly question most people on the forum..I just wanted to clarify the stigma of depression

I dont see anything suspicious about not wanting to drag the poor canoeist into everything media-wise. I see no reason why they would publicise anything about that person. The poor thing would probably get harassed and I'm sure they're traumatised enough as it is :-(

I don't think TM is the mistress, if there is one, for what its worth. My gut tells me she is being protected and has already provided the necessary info to QP, back on day 1. I may be completely wrong, but I am going with my intuition. Arrests will happen soon. TM may be involved but she is not the mistress I feel.

Agree Minni and Coolcat.....Hugs

beachylife said:

It seems something is up! This from Spencer Howson (breakfast radio host in Brisbane) on twitter:

"Police are doing something tonight that they've asked us not to tell you about (till the morning). I'll be able to fill you in at 5.05am"

https://twitter.com/#!/SpencerHowson

Wouldn't it be wonderful if it were an arrest for Allison's murder.

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Yes, but seriously irresponsible of that twerp if it is.

Neuromancer said:

Yes, but seriously irresponsible of that twerp if it is.

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Hell yeah.....I hope he hasn't compromised anything by putting that out there. Idiot.

AllyG said:

I think he sequestered himself as there has been a lot of comment within the media about his notable absence. Also when she was found near Kohlo bridge Superintendant Mark Ainsworth was filmed on camera saying something along the lines of that to his knowledge GBC was never asked to not join the search.

Hope that makes sense.

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Thanks, yes it does now. It is so strange...I always try to find the best in someone or reasons to explain actions...but I am struggling on this one.

I guess there is no ideal time for a suspect to be arrested but if that suspect is GBC would it be more appropriate before the funeral or after?

Solaris said:

I don't want to reignite any speculation re involvement of the canoeist in the crime, but there are a few things that don't add up there.

Allison's body was found in an area that was nowhere near the "hot zone". If it wasn't for the canoeist accidentally finding the body, the police would not have access to some pretty crucial evidence and the family would not have the type of closure that the finding of a body can give.

In my mind the canoeist (though accidental) is a hero of this case. If so, then why hasn't the name of the canoeist been splashed around in the media? There have been days when there have been no new developments regarding the case, so why hasn't some journalist been working on a side story about a person who has inadvertently had a big impact on this case?

Sure the police may have told the canoeist to keep it on the down low, but is it reasonable to think that if a person finds a body in such a high profile case that no-one else knows about the identity of this person who wouldn't be willing to spill the beans to a hungry media?

Or is it the case that the media has been told not to report on the canoeist by the police?

I don't think any of this is very crucial, but it just seems a bit odd to me.

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You are so right in everything that you have said - assuming there was a canoeist?!

IMO the QPS and the media have been outstanding in their working partnership of this case. The Police would most definately have so much info and evidence, and I'm positive that the media are not far off knowing just as much. They are working in total alliance, so that no team jeopardises this case ......... however, they are just killing us (sorry bad choice of words) in not being able to give us the details that we are so badly wanting to know and hear!

I believe that if there was infact a canoeist, the media is leaving him/her alone for many reasons. I'm fairly sure that the media have left many "situations/people/evidence" etc alone and have decided not to report any of this info ........... bravo to them!

All will be revealed, in time. The wait is incruciating, but I guess it's absolutely necessary. We don't want any parties to stuff up.

willough said:

Hell yeah.....I hope he hasn't compromised anything by putting that out there. Idiot.

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Exactly, there's a few reasons cops do certain things at odd hours of the morning, and most of them are to do with preventing a potentially dangerous/tragic situation getting out of hand.

That idiot may have just blown two weeks' worth of planning.

Bayside said:

I guess there is no ideal time for a suspect to be arrested but if that suspect is GBC would it be more appropriate before the funeral or after?

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Its a tough one isnt it? Before and it might distract from the funeral - which would be a real shame! After and it gives him the chance to attend. If it was him and he is arrested on Friday then what a day for her family - so many emotions in one day.

bellgirl said:

I believe that if there was infact a canoeist, the media is leaving him/her alone for many reasons. I'm fairly sure that the media have left many "situations/people/evidence" etc alone and have decided not to report any of this info ........... bravo to them!

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No games, no scheming....

The MAJOR & only reason would be is he requested his name be withheld....as any normal person would want to do.

Bayside said:

I guess there is no ideal time for a suspect to be arrested but if that suspect is GBC would it be more appropriate before the funeral or after?

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Personally I think before. I think IF it was him, it's innappropriate for him to attend and would be disturbing to his children when they get older. To be comforted by the very person who took away your mother doesnt seem right to me-in fact i would consider that a further betrayal. Not to mention how awful it would be for her other friends and family, it would be like a slap in the face! But like you said... There would never be an ideal time would there.

Neuromancer said:

Exactly, there's a few reasons cops do certain things at odd hours of the morning, and most of them are to do with preventing a potentially dangerous/tragic situation getting out of hand.

That idiot may have just blown two weeks' worth of planning.

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I would be hoping that the media were not told what was happening until whatever was happening was already over.......hope that makes sense :what::what:

Neuromancer said:

Exactly, there's a few reasons cops do certain things at odd hours of the morning, and most of them are to do with preventing a potentially dangerous/tragic situation getting out of hand.

That idiot may have just blown two weeks' worth of planning.

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I'm not sure the QPS would send out a media release (with or without embargo) on something they've yet to carry out. If a leak would seriously jeopardize the operation, that is...

When they did this car experiment at the roundabout the other day- was that in the early hours of the morning?

pickle99 said:

Its a tough one isnt it? Before and it might distract from the funeral - which would be a real shame! After and it gives him the chance to attend. If it was him and he is arrested on Friday then what a day for her family - so many emotions in one day.

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We were just discussing this at home and it would probably be easier on the children for him to be at the funeral. I know if I was dear Allison I would not want the killer (if he is) at my funeral.

beachylife said:

It seems something is up! This from Spencer Howson (breakfast radio host in Brisbane) on twitter:

"Police are doing something tonight that they've asked us not to tell you about (till the morning). I'll be able to fill you in at 5.05am"

https://twitter.com/#!/SpencerHowson

Wouldn't it be wonderful if it were an arrest for Allison's murder.

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It's Thursday night. My tip is that they are going to do a re-enactment to see if their theories/evidence hold together and perhaps pull in more witnesses. Hence embargo till 5am.