George Zimmerman's Injuries #1

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KateNY said:
Dunno? May be smeared a bit, down at the bottum...
you can see his hairline through/under the blood

or his blood is awfully thin
OMHO..
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The blood on GZ's head reminds me of that fake blood my grandson put on his face last Haloween..JMHO
 
gxm said:
I know I sound like a broken record but let me say one more time: I had my head repeatedly slammed into a hard surface (a tile floor, not a sidewalk) and I did not bleed. IMO, the amount of blood is not important. But clearly, the man was involved in something that made his head bleed, which is consistent with his story.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:
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BBM

Not according to the investigator who took the stand at the bond hearing, which is why the detectives wanted charges and was nixed by Wolfinger..but he did say GZ's story was inconsistant with the evidence...
 
Cher352 said:
Repost from my last week's posting:

This is why I think the blood is not smeared in the photo we have seen.

There are no straight drip lines on the back of his head. If he had been walking around bleeding there should have been lines that ran straight down his scalp.

What I see is that all the lines run down and then break to one side or the other of the center of the back of his head. This makes me think that the head had been clean off just prior to the picture being taken and all the drip lines we see are fresh blood that ran while his head was in a semi tilted down position.

Of course that is just how it appears to me.
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The pictures was taken at 7:19pm. The only officer there at the time was Smith. So who would have wiped his head? SFD had not arrived yet??? jmo
 
I have read that a LE officer took the picture and I have read that a neighbor took the picture. Have I missed if the phone has been identified yet? Do we know yet who it belonged to? And do we know for sure that it wasn't taken on GZ's phone by someone else? TIA
 
LiveLaughLuv said:
BBM

Not according to the investigator who took the stand at the bond hearing, which is why the detectives wanted charges and was nixed by Wolfinger..but he did say GZ's story was inconsistant with the evidence...
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Did he say that GZ's injuries did not match his story? IIRC, all he said was that there was some inconsistency, he didn't go into detail. Or am I misremembering?
 
Nova said:
And GZ has good reason to lie. Simply because a killer is the only witness left alive does not mean we take his word as gospel.
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I'm not saying his word is gospel. I'm saying, with the evidence we have to date, there is no way to refute it beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe the SA has something up her sleeve but so far, IMO, the case for 2nd degree murder against GZ is weak at best.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:
 
Nova said:
And GZ has good reason to lie. Simply because a killer is the only witness left alive does not mean we take his word as gospel.
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And yet, if GZ had been beaten to death (with an untouched gun in his waistband no less), and TM's story was that he had to kill GZ in self-defense, we would be saying he was the one with a reason to lie.

What a conundrum.

Or, if after GZ shot TM that night, TM had survived the gunshot wound, we could compare both of their stories. But alas, the only story we have is GZ's.

IF GZ's story of being attacked and defending himself happens to be true (as his injuries may or may not indicate), he has a very good reason indeed to make us believe that truth; to convince us that it is NOT a lie. Otherwise we will unjustifiably convict him of murder.

You point out that GZ has reason to lie. I point out that this is only true IF GZ is, in fact, lying.

See? Conundrum.
 
LiveLaughLuv said:
BBM

Not according to the investigator who took the stand at the bond hearing, which is why the detectives wanted charges and was nixed by Wolfinger..but he did say GZ's story was inconsistant with the evidence...
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Do we have a list of detectives (plural) who wanted charges that night, before the alleged surreptitious meeting with NW? And do we know that the reason "they" allegedly wanted GZ charged was because of inconsistencies between his injuries and his statements/evidence? I have not heard any of this... if you have info, please explain. TIA

JMO
 
Desdemona said:
Do we have a list of detectives (plural) who wanted charges that night, before the alleged surreptitious meeting with NW? And do we know that the reason "they" allegedly wanted GZ charged was because of inconsistencies between his injuries and his statements/evidence? I have not heard any of this... if you have info, please explain. TIA

JMO
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We have this about Det Serino

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T6BJrdUZtVs

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The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman............
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Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.
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Need that doc dump ....
 
My biggest thing about injuries is that we just don't know how they feel unless they're happening directly to us. I can't extrapolate much, if anything, from the one picture we've seen of GZ's injuries. It might not look like much, but we don't know how it felt in the moment. JMO.
 
LambChop said:
The pictures was taken at 7:19pm. The only officer there at the time was Smith. So who would have wiped his head? SFD had not arrived yet??? jmo
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Maybe the same person that took the photo???
 
KateNY said:
We have this about Det Serino

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T6BJrdUZtVs

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Need that doc dump ....
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Then we have what Serino actually said:
"Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

Possible crime being investigated - key words.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency
 
Cher352 said:
Maybe the same person that took the photo???
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LE would never let anyone touch GZ unless it was SFD. Plus GZ was suppose to be in handcuffs at that time???? There is an answer and I'm sure Officer Smith was questioned about this picture. I don't think SA will accept it at face value because someone had to have taken the picture which conflicts with the police report. jmo
 
vlpate said:
Then we have what Serino actually said:
"Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

Possible crime being investigated - key words.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency
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And it's no like Serino was feeling any pressure from the Chief to give that statement after stating that their were inconsistencies in his stories. Wow, shows you there is really a serious problem in that police department. No wonder the Chief stepped down. jmo
 
So Zimmerman had bandages on the back of his head and his nose the day after he shot Trayvon. Why were there none on him the night of the shooting? Usually a bandage is used to prevent bleeding or to help keep the wound clean. I would think that a bandage would be best applied immediately after receiving the injury instead of hours later deciding to go ahead and put one on. Unless of course one uses the bandages as simply a sign to others that yes, they were injured even if the injuries were not severe enough to require bandages. I also thought that someone, was it Zimmerman Sr?, said that Zimmerman had a protective covering on his nose. Is he considering a bandage the protective covering or is talking about a splint like covering that is commonly used for broken noses?

MOO
 
TorisMom003 said:
So Zimmerman had bandages on the back of his head and his nose the day after he shot Trayvon. Why were there none on him the night of the shooting? Usually a bandage is used to prevent bleeding or to help keep the wound clean. I would think that a bandage would be best applied immediately after receiving the injury instead of hours later deciding to go ahead and put one on. Unless of course one uses the bandages as simply a sign to others that yes, they were injured even if the injuries were not severe enough to require bandages. I also thought that someone, was it Zimmerman Sr?, said that Zimmerman had a protective covering on his nose. Is he considering a bandage the protective covering or is talking about a splint like covering that is commonly used for broken noses?

MOO
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So what WOULD convince you that there were injuries? I mean COME ON. No bandages, means no injury, bandages means FAKED to indicate an injury that wasn't there. Police report that there were injuries, well, police report must have been faked. A PICTURE of one of the injuries. Nope, must have been faked, and if not, well, he caused it himself maybe, and where are the pictures of the OTHER injuries.

Lets be honest, you are placing an UNFAIR amount of pressure on GZ to "prove" he was injured, then shooting down EVERY offering that he was injured, NOT with "reason" or investigative techniques, but with UNREASONABLE statements and accusations.
 
GZ lies and that has been proven at the bond hearing. GZ tells a story and some take it as fact. But he is the only one here to tell the story and he certainly has a vested interest in the story being believed.

But, really, what has this man done to warrant the blind faith that some people have in him or his word?
 
zenreaper said:
So what WOULD convince you that there were injuries? I mean COME ON. No bandages, means no injury, bandages means FAKED to indicate an injury that wasn't there. Police report that there were injuries, well, police report must have been faked. A PICTURE of one of the injuries. Nope, must have been faked, and if not, well, he caused it himself maybe, and where are the pictures of the OTHER injuries.

Lets be honest, you are placing an UNFAIR amount of pressure on GZ to "prove" he was injured, then shooting down EVERY offering that he was injured, NOT with "reason" or investigative techniques, but with UNREASONABLE statements and accusations.
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What would convince me would be written documentation from either LE or the paramedics accompanied by verified photos that LE took, not some unproven source that could have been photoshopped, or wounds self-inflicted by George after the fact, and not statements from unreliable eyewitness neighbors that saw bandages the next day at a distance!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
The photos that are out there in the media are tabloid-quality material, doesn't prove anything. I wanted verified photos with timestamps that are shown in court!
 
LinasK said:
What would convince me would be written documentation from either LE or the paramedics accompanied by verified photos that LE took, not some unproven source that could have been photoshopped, or wounds self-inflicted by George after the fact, and not statements from unreliable eyewitness neighbors that saw bandages the next day at a distance!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
The photos that are out there in the media are tabloid-quality material, doesn't prove anything. I wanted verified photos with timestamps that are shown in court!
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So the police WROTE that he had blood on his nose and the back of his head, and there is a PICTURE of the injury, but because you don't have VERIFICATION that the picture is TIMESTAMPED, you don't believe the police report either? Huh?
 
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