Accused: Guy Heinze, Jr - Multiple Killings Reported in GA Trailer Park, Aug 2009 #2

[Sonya610]

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

Also the type of blood found on his clothing can be highly significant. If it was blood spatter then that shows the blood was airborn at the time and landed on his clothing.

I haven't followed this case, just searched and found it to see how it turned out. Surprised to see it hasn't even gone to trial yet.

Yes the blood on his clothing will be a HUGE big deal. I would expect blood splatter to be all over the killer, in his hair, on the back of his shirt, shoulders etc.... I am doubtful that Heinz could have done this by himself.

This is sooooo very much like the Woolfolk murders (circa 1885, Bibb County), 7 family members killed with an axe and the sole survivor, the son, was charged and tried even though it seemed very unlikely one person could have done it. Ocean if you haven't read the book about it, Shadow Chasers, you should, it is a fascinating and rather sad story.

[JoeFromLB]

Originally Posted by Sonya610

I haven't followed this case, just searched and found it to see how it turned out. Surprised to see it hasn't even gone to trial yet.

Yes the blood on his clothing will be a HUGE big deal. I would expect blood splatter to be all over the killer, in his hair, on the back of his shirt, shoulders etc.... I am doubtful that Heinz could have done this by himself.

This is sooooo very much like the Woolfolk murders (circa 1885, Bibb County), 7 family members killed with an axe and the sole survivor, the son, was charged and tried even though it seemed very unlikely one person could have done it. Ocean if you haven't read the book about it, Shadow Chasers, you should, it is a fascinating and rather sad story.

Another case comes to mind, that of the Deering family murders in 1866 in Philadelphia. Six members of the family and two others were killed by a hired hand. Axed to death. The murderer claimed that he had an accomplice, but none was ever found. The defense argued at his trial that it was unlikely one man could have done this. He was convicted, though, and executed soon after.

http://murderbygasslight.blogspot.co...04/horror.html

[sigsky]

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...jr-made-police

No trial date yet

[joe jones]

well there case is weakend a little further, seems they got the evidence on the shorts in but only after a fight, if they had lost that I wonder how much evidence they would have left, and as reported he did say he must have got the blood on his shorts when he went into the scene as I am pretty certain if he is the killer the clothes he wore to do the killing would not be the same clothes he wore to return to the trailer,

and am beyond horrified to read the state may wish to use Byron as a witness, he was 2-3 when it happened, he has no place ever being in a court recounting anything he may or may not know, he is 6 now but what on earth can he offer as a reliable memory when he was a baby who suffered brain injuries,
says alot to me about the states case if they wish to use a witness who was 2-3 at time of murders,

in my opinion he will be damaged further if asked to do this

[sigsky]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...idence-testing

Looks like further delays.

[joe jones]

pleased to read they took fingernail scrapings from under the victims nails, I wonder if the hair found was pulled out from the root therefore there could be DNA

and some of the DNA will be finished testing on Friday, sounds like the judge wants this case finally resolved

[oceanblueeyes]

Originally Posted by joe jones

well there case is weakend a little further, seems they got the evidence on the shorts in but only after a fight, if they had lost that I wonder how much evidence they would have left, and as reported he did say he must have got the blood on his shorts when he went into the scene as I am pretty certain if he is the killer the clothes he wore to do the killing would not be the same clothes he wore to return to the trailer,

and am beyond horrified to read the state may wish to use Byron as a witness, he was 2-3 when it happened, he has no place ever being in a court recounting anything he may or may not know, he is 6 now but what on earth can he offer as a reliable memory when he was a baby who suffered brain injuries,
says alot to me about the states case if they wish to use a witness who was 2-3 at time of murders,

in my opinion he will be damaged further if asked to do this

The shorts with blood on it is compelling evidence or the state wouldnt want it in. If he got blood on them it would have to be transfer blood if it was going to help him. With the defense fighting for it not to be entered shows me it isnt blood that was transferred. It also has to belong to Michael only. We know he did not check on everyone because Byron was alive yet he never mentions him needing help ASAP! It is obvious imo that Jr is no rocket scientist. The hiding of the weapon is proof of that. So he may have thought that LE would think the blood on his shorts came from him kneeling by Michael. I am sure he did not know that much can be learned by the pattern of the blood found.

What will sink his ship is if the bloody shorts show blood spatter. Blood spatter can only be applied when the blood is airborne and struck the shorts as he bludgeoned them to death. Or if other victims blood is found on the shorts mixed together. That will be a major problem.

A police officer can read from their notes if they talked with Byron. He was three at the time and I dont know how close to four he was. Christa Worthington's little girl was only 2 years old at the time her mother was murdered. In the trial a female police officer testified to what Amy told her. Also in the Jessie Davis case her child Blake was 2 years old at the time. His statements of "mommy's in the rug' and 'daddy hurt mommy' came into the trial. So there are other ways of getting Bryon's statements in. There is nothing that says Bryon had permanent brain damage. From what I have read he is doing great.

I think they have plenty of other evidence but it makes sense that they want his clothing entered. That tells me it does show that this not transference blood but something much more sinister and they also have the weapon that he hid and then lied that it was stolen. Why would he lie about that when he had to know it belonged to one of the adult men that lived in the home with him? Why would he even hide a shotgun with a splintered butt? How could he have the wherewithall to even think about a gun when he supposedly had just seen the most gruesome scene of his life? The police officer immediately saw blood on the shotgun but Jr didnt see it?

As far as some of his statements being dropped some of them will not be. And I believe he told the officers about the shotgun when he was at the scene and on scene officers' testimony the Judge allowed in.


imo

[Soulmagent]

In The Media.

Feb 8 2013

Heinze denied pretrial reveiw.


http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...-Home-Slayings

Feb 16 2013
New balanced jury pools causing Georgia courts problems

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz2LPImocTq

[joe jones]

From those articles they hope to have a trial before the end of this year, about time, I am eagerly looking forward to hearing the evidence state has and whether they have a strong case

[3kgirlsmommy]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...egin-september




Judge wants Guy Heinze Jr.'s trial to begin in September

Defense says it has been stalled by prosecutors and can't be ready by then

[3kgirlsmommy]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...storyid=310276


Judge wants fall trial in 2009 Brunswick mobile home slayings

BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) -- A judge says he wants a September trial for a coastal Georgia man charged with killing his father and seven others who were severely beaten inside a mobile home near Brunswick in 2009.

[3kgirlsmommy]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia...a/-/index.html


Guy Heinze Jr. awaits trial in 2009 mass murder
Man accused of killing 8 people in Glynn County mobile home

[Soulmagent]

The next hearing date on this case is in May according to the link above. The defence wants to wait until JAN 2014 to go to trial ,and the judge want to set a date in Aug 2013.
Hard to believe it has been 4 years and it sounds like the state is blaming the defence for not being ready but I seriously know some delay has been with ,the state labs, the state waiting to have evidence testing the courts issues itself .Even as recent as last year the state was waiting for some evidence which was expected to take months .

So the defence has not had 4 year to prepare for this case as the state said in court today. They have had 4 years to wonder what the state was sending out and testing and what those results were. I wish court TV would follow this trial.

[joe jones]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...egin-september

the defence has a right to be pissed at the loss of the tape, and they are still arguing years after the murders over DNA testing, I hope when we get to trial the state has its act together a little better than they have so far