MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #4
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I wonder if LE told them they wanted to give them LDTs, and that's what made them balk.
They haven't retained an attorney though, have they?
They haven't retained an attorney though, have they?
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Would someone from Texas be licensed to take a case in Missouri?
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Updated timeline:
Lisa Irwin Timeline
Monday October 3, 2011
Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.
UPDATEaccording to police spokesman window may not be correct.
3620 block of North Lister 64117
CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011
Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisas father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldnt call anybody, including 911.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbies and the 8 year old is Jeremys from previous relationships.)
Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy
Mother is a SAHM--Debbie
Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.
**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence, Parscale said, but then my husband drove off so were thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.
**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.
UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speakingParents story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served its purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.
*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story
Tuesday 9:25 p.m.
Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.
Wednesday October 5, 2011
9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speakingbasically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.
** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv
**conflicting reports unless the Grandparents are being referred to as neighbors
NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisas grandparents are watching the couples other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
2:00 news conferenceJeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.
Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Loves gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesnt seem to be a major lead.
Thursday October 6, 2011
**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.
**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old
** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.
**per Debbie, Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.
**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.
**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.
***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story
**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4
Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]
[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM
Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM
Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg
Lisa Irwin Timeline
Monday October 3, 2011
Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.
UPDATEaccording to police spokesman window may not be correct.
3620 block of North Lister 64117
CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011
Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisas father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldnt call anybody, including 911.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
_____________________________________________________________________
Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbies and the 8 year old is Jeremys from previous relationships.)
Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy
Mother is a SAHM--Debbie
Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.
**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence, Parscale said, but then my husband drove off so were thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.
**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.
UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speakingParents story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served its purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.
*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story
Tuesday 9:25 p.m.
Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.
Wednesday October 5, 2011
9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speakingbasically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.
** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv
**conflicting reports unless the Grandparents are being referred to as neighbors
NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisas grandparents are watching the couples other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
2:00 news conferenceJeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.
Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Loves gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesnt seem to be a major lead.
Thursday October 6, 2011
**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.
**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old
** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.
**per Debbie, Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.
**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.
**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.
***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story
**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4
Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM
Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM
Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg
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I am stunned. I had no real theory yet. Still don't. But I sure wasn't expecting this!
1st - thing that comes to mind is the information regarding the phones. Did LE need/want that info held close? Did they fuss at them about that causing rift?
2nd - Phones again. Did the family feel threatened by the renewed search close by today? Maybe LE not taking their "bait"?
3 - Were they contacted by abductor? (as suggested above by another poster)
4 - Or are they folding under pressure of public opinion and possibly LE pressure?
I got no clue but I have lots of questions.
1st - thing that comes to mind is the information regarding the phones. Did LE need/want that info held close? Did they fuss at them about that causing rift?
2nd - Phones again. Did the family feel threatened by the renewed search close by today? Maybe LE not taking their "bait"?
3 - Were they contacted by abductor? (as suggested above by another poster)
4 - Or are they folding under pressure of public opinion and possibly LE pressure?
I got no clue but I have lots of questions.
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Didn't LE just say (earlier) that there were 'no holes' in the stories of the parents? I'd link if I could find...
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No reward as of yet
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none!
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You got it. we HAVE to
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No, never offered.
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KC Star's new article up:
Police: Missing baby's parents no longer cooperating with them
much more at link
Police: Missing baby's parents no longer cooperating with them
much more at link
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What was interesting to me was the way it was stated earlier about the two other children...seems like the LE said
The other two children will remain out of sight.
I thought that was strange wording.
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Ransom makes no sense to me; these people don't seem to have extra money and we all know how rare ransom kidnappings are, even more so than stranger kidnappings...
I can't think of ANY good reason for them to stop cooperating...
I can't think of ANY good reason for them to stop cooperating...
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Yes, it sounds to me like the parents know what happened, and don't want to come clean. JMHO.
Any other ideas as to what this could mean?
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I found that statement strange... almost as if they (LE) believe the other two children may be targets too....
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I have no idea what to say. Hoping it's either a staged thing by LE and the parents, or else maybe, considering the stress, turmoil, lack of sleep, the frustration this morning with the search, maybe they felt attacked and just lost it. Maybe they're feeling like LE us focusing too close to home, and they just said to hell with it, and stormed off?
Hoping thats what all this is. :sigh:
Hoping thats what all this is. :sigh:
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