Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #20

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I agree....but I think the purpose was to slip him the chip....LOL

That could explain it, however what's to hide and be coy about?
Wjhy not just walk in a say "Howdy Pardner" and slap the chip on his
forehead - who cares? Is there something clandestined or against rules
that one cannot be given a poker chip at a gaming table? The whole world say it anyway!
 
Unreals, I am not sure that you have been given the link to the archives records in the NH case, But I feel that they show the true side of JVS (which is not good) there are also interviews with the Kalpo Brothers as well as Paulus Vandersloot, although I do find it a bit hinky that PVS is the only person who has missing pages in his interview's, there are also interviews with others related to this case..If you will actually go thru and read the whole web site, you will see that there is definitely a different side to JVS that the nice guy that some want to portray his as..

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm
 
I never saw this pic before. I only saw one pic at the link-I did not see a pic with a brown bottle, but if it was brown and was labelled hydrogen peroxide, it is used for mouthwash, cleaning injuries/cuts and disinfecting. I use it all the time to clean my children's cuts and scratches. It will not lighten hair unless you sit in the sun for a while, similar to lemon juice. The type of peroxide used to dye hair is a 2-part chemical mixture. I base this on working in a pharmacy and having my cosmetology license.

The tin with the red and green label next to the shirt looks exactly like the tin of henna I order online from overseas.
Strange that he would choose that, as it's pretty messy-though it will quickly turn light hair to a strange shade of orange. Unless you use gloves, it will turn your hands orange as well. It is a plant and is applied like gritty mud. You really have to shower well to get that out of your hair/scalp. Perhaps it was all that was available while he was on the run. It would be interesting to hear what excuses people may have for why he henna'd his hair while running.

BBM; SNIPPED:

Here is the link to the brown bottle previously discussed, and speculated to be a bottle of peroxide, cleaning fluid, etc.:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page;next

I posted this last night (below) because the tin triggered an old memory of a taller tin of Egyptian Powder Henna I recall being available many years (too many) ago:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5334556&postcount=203"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #14[/ame]
 
Another way to look at it is that Joran could easily have called the same police back to deal with the situation. One can try to imagine it was a savage attack by the 'bum', or one can focus on the fact that the word 'annoyed' was used several times. Being annoyed by someone isn't really a good excuse for physically accosting them.

Tossing someone off a bridge for annoying isn't usually what people would call hero behaviour. Hardly matters if the person was killed or not. It's hard to imagine, seeing how physically large Joran is, that a bum was doing much more than was admitted- annoying him.

Doesn't really matter much, in my opinion. Makes him look like a jerk, but has nothing to do with evidence in this case. Unless it can be used as evidence in this case, it's just something interesting to talk about concerning Joran's character. And character, or lack thereof is not what he's going to be tried for.

What impresses me is his apparent willingness to step in with a starnger
he cannot know the reality of - is armed, not armed, etc. He stepped in
and takes a risk which easily could have turned sour no matter Joran's size. Once gain his compulsive side is on display. (They could have just walked away?)
 
SP claimed the chlorine in the pool turned it red.....LOL
Joran had to have bought it while on the run.....could it be that Henna is a dye that most Peruvians tend to use? Could it be that that was the first color he grabbed? It's reported that he is very very tall.....well over 6/2
while most Peruvians and Chileans are shorter... so whether or nor he colored his hair......he would still stand out in a crowd.

I'm sure his pic was plastered in every newspaper too.

He ran but he just couldn't hide.

This I have never heard! You have to be kidding but sure you arent.
Who did he say this to ? Police I am guessing. - Cl turned his hair RED?
I think that's chemically impossible... He forgot to use beet juice?
Its just an example of him clutching for straws ...
 
I think you mean the brown bottle in the crime scene photo - bottle of peroxide (to lighten hair or to clean blood from carpet), or a cleaning fluid, etc.

Believe Henna speculation was made concerning what appears to be a tin container in different photo on RDL:

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/71357/2010/06/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloot#image-load

Two different photos.
Has anyone been able to read the label on that brown bottle?
Is it mentioned in the things found at the crime scene? I missed it if it is..
 
Yes and YES, to your entire post, marikesh!

As to my bold above, JR had and still has many reasons to defend JVS and divert any attention away from him. Not the least is being one of AVS's closest friends. She's the editor in chief of 'Aruba Today', who's primary interest is to promote tourism in Aruba and was affiliated with many other tourism groups.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html


The following is another interesting (albeit long) read on just how deep the corruption ran in Aruba regarding Natalee's 'disappearance'.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.c...-max=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=50

The renewed world interest and focus on JVS surely has to have many people in Aruba not sleeping well at night. IMO

I think you bring up an excellent point - defenders/helpers in the first crime when Paulus was alive and present could easily turn into opponents now, to save their own you know whatz. Deals could get made to remove
the problem child?
 
You know...and I hate to say this, but I think the chances of Joran ever coming up with the actual scenario of what happened to Natalee are flat zero. He won't tell because he would lose face, he would also be giving up his ace in the hole and I don't think he would do that, but we can live in hope.

Unless he senses they have turned on him so he turns and gives them all up ... to get a better sentence. Joran could turn out to be a GIANT LIABILITY BACK IN ARUBA?
 
The two balls are metal, probably have a worked design on them and have something inside that makes a 'jingling' or musical sound. They are supposed to be a relaxation device- you hold them in your hand and rotate them and the sound is supposed to be soothing. [/quote]

As in Humphrey Bogart in Cane Mutiny? :waitasec:
 
Unless he senses they have turned on him so he turns and gives them all up ... to get a better sentence. Joran could turn out to be a GIANT LIABILITY BACK IN ARUBA?

Now this....a collapse on both sides with each giving up the other I would really enjoy!
 
BBM; SNIPPED:

Here is the link to the brown bottle previously discussed, and speculated to be a bottle of peroxide, cleaning fluid, etc.:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page;next

I posted this last night (below) because the tin triggered an old memory of a taller tin of Egyptian Powder Henna I recall being available many years (too many) ago:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #14

H Peroxide is photo (light) and heat sensitive - will easily change back to
water and oxygen (H2O & O2) because these are the more stable molecules - always in light resistent containers so that makes sense vrs. cleaning agents almost never in a light protected container. We may have actually solved something here! :waitasec::angel: I tried to read that label by
enlarging and filtering the photo, but got nowhere - the photo just too poor. (grainy)
 
Now this....a collapse on both sides with each giving up the other I would really enjoy!

Nature abhores a vacuum. Plenty of Joran and those other fellows to go around for a quick plugging of the hole in the dike!
 
I noticed her rubbing her eyes after she sat down and I even tried her walk- I got the impression that she was tired and probably walked with a quicker gait- but if she was on her monthly with tight pants, maybe she was uncomfortable.
Weird thing to bring up but sometimes that time of the month makes you crampy and feeling bloated, not to suggest her feet were bloated, but maybe she was feeling tighter in those pants than she would have.
Pardon this post if it is offendive.
S

You make lots of sense, it was a tired like walk in casino instead of insecure. Understandably about bloating time too, had to be exhausted playing poker all night. Imagine being up all night & then going through a brutal killing. OMY, on that note, good night everyone.
 
It is an ultra polite limp handshake, really not a hand shake but him
merely extending his hand and her touching his hand then quickly broken
by Joran .... it is like a feined (false) handshake of someone trying to
say "I really dont know this person". Now why would he pretend not knowing her?
I have posted a thread earlier from a poker site. I won't quote it because it will get edited, but...on the poker thread there is a question whether or not Joran and Stephany were "colluding". You can look up collusion in the poker dictionary- just search for poker terms and it will come up.

this is not to support that theory just to add a possible reason why the handshake is weird. Not my theory- but it is out there in the poker world.
S
 
You make lots of sense, it was a tired like walk in casino instead of insecure. Understandably about bloating time too, had to be exhausted playing poker all night. Imagine being up all night & then going through a brutal killing. OMY, on that note, good night everyone.

G/N and sleep tight!
 
The two balls are metal, probably have a worked design on them and have something inside that makes a 'jingling' or musical sound. They are supposed to be a relaxation device- you hold them in your hand and rotate them and the sound is supposed to be soothing.

As in Humphrey Bogart in Cane Mutiny? :waitasec:[/QUOTE]

Did he use these balls to bash her head, her face?

Why give the relaxation balls away with red striped shirt, tin of powder henna, cell phone, etc. to the taxi driver, presumably to dispose of for him?

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/71357/2010/06/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloot#image-load
 
I have posted a thread earlier from a poker site. I won't quote it because it will get edited, but...on the poker thread there is a question whether or not Joran and Stephany were "colluding". You can look up collusion in the poker dictionary- just search for poker terms and it will come up.

this is not to support that theory just to add a possible reason why the handshake is weird. Not my theory- but it is out there in the poker world.
S

I have been following your posts very closely & very interested because we all know gambling was Joran's life. So looking the poker world is like
looking into Joran.

I am no expert on what must be done on this site but I think quoting
snips from a website is allowed here. ASK J BEAN FOR ANY QUESTIONS
AND SHE IS VERY GOOD TO HELP YOU! That is my experience.

I think your perspectives are very worthwhile here from the gambling world to know Joran's thinking and addiction better ...
 
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