17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #18

mikeysmommom said:

How do you know he was not? Unless something has come out that I missed no one knows who started the physical confrontation.Do you have a link that GZ was the one who attacked TM?

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i.b.nora said:

Here is one source for the ambulance audio:

Trayvon Martin Ambulance Audio Recording - YouTube

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“The defendant stated that the victim stood up and approached him in a threatening manner, at which time he grabbed his Beretta 9 mm, chambered a round of ammunition and pointed it at the victim,” according to a complaint affidavit written by investigator Katherine Bowker. “He further stated the victim stated, ‘What are you going to do now, shoot me?’”

Thompson then shot Barter twice in the chest, Stanford said.

Stanford said the shooting was not in self defense, pointing out that Thompson had already won the physical altercation and could have left the scene without being harmed.

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csziggy said:

When I was a freshman in college I was warned not to open my car window or door if I was pulled over by a cop car with a single officer in it. It seems that a rogue cop in my home county had been pulling over single women driving alone and raping them.

Afterwards he'd tell them if they tried to press charges, he'd charge them with solicitation - a couple of women who did try to press charges actually spent time in jail because of that.

The advice given was to open the window just a crack and pass the officer my driver's license and insurance card through the crack. I did actually do that one night when pulled over by an officer. He asked me about it but as soon as I told him where I was from, he understood since the case was highly publicized.

That was forty years ago. I hope things have improved, but sometimes I despair.

JMO, IMO, etc.

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Chris_Texas said:

The question to ask is this: does ANY of this sound plausible given what we know of Trayvon's following actions (running away, expressing his concerns to his girlfriend, etc)? Did Trayvon REALLY go strutting towards Zimmerman, hand in his waistband like a gangbanger was packing heat, or was this just a set up?

JMO MOO etc

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itsreenw said:

I don't know if many would love to believe that as opposed to believing it was something else. I don't think many have weighed that as a significant factor.

But it's possible the kid was scared and crying when he saw a gun pointed at him? And some people do cry right before they die. I have seen it myself.

And usually when one rain drop falls, there are more to follow. Seems like his face would have sprinkled drops all over but I don't understand why you're pointing this out?? Please share if it might shed some light on things that we haven't discussed.

Thanks

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m00c0w said:

I thought Tracy Martin's recounting of the events was unassailable truth? What happened? :waitasec:

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Peliman said:

It can be debated what suspicious behavior is. I/E

Suspicious Behavior:
What Is It?

A person isn't suspicious, his/her behavior is!

Here is a list of some suspicious signs and behavior:

A person running: If he or she were looking about furtively, as if he or she were being watched or chased.

http://www.rpi.edu/dept/public_safety/safety/suspicious.html

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Adrienne37 said:

I haven't seen this photo of Trayvon before. I love it. Such a nice looking kid. Such a tragic story. Arrest George Zimmerman NOW!

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mdana said:

Her statements are contradictory and actually give credence to GZ calling the police, because it was apparently odd to be walking in the neighborhood. From the CNN article page 1.

"I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window because it had just started pouring out rain," the witness said. "And then I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, who's out there walking their dog in the rain?'

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angelmom said:

Thank you for sharing this. It's heartbreaking.



Actually, I think this statement points out perfectly how UNjustified GZ's suspicion was. When she thinks there is someone outside, she doesn't automatically assume, "Someone's coming to rob me!" or "Someone's coming to kill me!" even though, presumably, she has also lived in this neighborhood where there have been recent break-ins.

No, she assumes that someone is walking their dog. So, not an unusual thing, but something that has to be done in the rain sometimes. Like getting home if you walked somewhere before the rain started.

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LambChop said:

From your link:

One or more people sitting in a parked car checking out the area: They may be lookouts for a crime in progress (burglary/robbery) or for plotting a crime.

So it appears TM would have been within his rights to be suspicious of GZ. jmo

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JeannaT said:

Absolutely. Both are within their rights to be suspicious, and very wary, of each other. They are NOT within their rights to bang each other's head on the ground.

At that point, whoever is getting their head pounded is within their rights to shoot the other to death.

This is the core of the entire thing, and all the rest of the story is just extraneous information.

If one is getting their head pummeled by the other, he is within his rights to kill in self-defense. Period.

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rbrnmw2 said:

I am not at all convinced GZ's head was pummeled into it doesn't make sense and there wasn't enough time. No matter how you add it up,going by the time the gf's call ended and the shot on the 911 call was from 44 sec to 1 min.
IMO that was not enough time for this life or death fight GZ claims took place. MOO

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LambChop said:

From your link:

One or more people sitting in a parked car checking out the area: They may be lookouts for a crime in progress (burglary/robbery) or for plotting a crime.

So it appears TM would have been within his rights to be suspicious of GZ. jmo

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angelmom said:

Thank you for sharing this. It's heartbreaking.

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