2011.06.06 Sidebar (Trial Day Eleven)

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YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
 
LOL! Hubby says that joke doesn't work because I DO make bread. :insert eyeroll: Whatever...still funny.
 
SummerRaye said:
I didn't read all the way through to find the answer.

But I decided that I would do a workout every time he objected and was overruled or a sidebar was caused....the workout was as follows as in...like the first time he was overruled, I did 10 squats. The next I did 10 situps, the next 10 pushups, the next 10 burpees.

By 2:00-2:30 (AND I WOKE UP LATE so started at 9:30) ((and of course missed some cause I couldn't catch my breath or feel my legs)....

I had done about 80 squats, 70 situps, 70 pushups and about 25 burpees (as i broke my ankle in January and burpees with barefeet tweek said ankle((and replaced burpees with Good Morning hamstring workouts))) and about 45 Good Mornings...

i wont be able to walk tomorrow or lift a diet coke.
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RBBM--oh Summer! Here, the DT had one of these left over for you for tomorrow's Diet Coke:

istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6919793/2/istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg


(Also, please share what is a "burpee"? Last I checked, that was a seed catalog. Perhaps Ynot should reacquaint herself with a personal trainer, hm?)
 
Niner said:
WOW, this is unreal - !! Just counted up the sidebars and objections from JUST this morning - JA with Dr. Vass, with JB objecting!

It is 4 sidebars - 2 before the morning break (~10:30am)

27 objections!! only 2 sustained; 11 objections before the morning break ! about 10:30am
after break, with the jury out, 3 objections... :fence:
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Niner, you are a champ. :rocker: This one is just for you:

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4488004745_ccc3a17414.jpg
 
I missed almost the whole day!:maddening:
I just read in Today's News Thread the link stating that the DT is going to call Dr. Vass as THEIR witness? WTH?:waitasec:
 
TotallyObsessed said:
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
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I don't know. It is a lot of circumstantial evidence but when you connect all the dots there's only explanation really. When you have numerous pieces of circumstantial evidence all pointing in the same directions, carrying them, collectively, to a specific conclusion, they are usually quite reliable. The blanket, the car, the tape, the bag, her behaviour, the phone call, her lies, Dr Vass. And if it was an accident, I think an ex-police officer who knows the basics of law, would come to the conclusion that there's no jail time involved. Now, hiding a body on the other hand, is a crime, is a disgrace. No one attacks a mother for an accident. Therefore there's no reason to dispose of the body. I think George, really, based on his job experience, would've weighted both the options and chosen the reasonable one.
 
cloud9 said:
I missed almost the whole day!:maddening:
I just read in Today's News Thread the link stating that the DT is going to call Dr. Vass as THEIR witness? WTH?:waitasec:
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Maybe the defense has some divining rod evidence they would like Dr. Vass to give his expert opinion on. ;)
 
ynotdivein said:
RBBM--oh Summer! Here, the DT had one of these left over for you for tomorrow's Diet Coke:

(Also, please share what is a "burpee"? Last I checked, that was a seed catalog. Perhaps Ynot should reacquaint herself with a personal trainer, hm?)
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respectfully snipped

Burpee:

[ame="http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Perform-Burpees-Exercise-121354519"]How to Perform Burpees Exercise Video – 5min.com[/ame]

(I always hated them as a kid :giggle:)
 
OK.. I only got to watch bits an pieces.. .. quick guestion tho.. when JB was asking about the pot was the jury in or out of the room? anyone.. please lol
 
LyndyLoo said:
I am listening to JVM ( who I dont like) interviewing Dr.Kobalinksy (KOBO)..and I find his remarks rather superficial..He is a forensic specialist ( Blood/DNA) however since this testimony by Dr.Vass is ground breaking,,He cant help himself but poo poo it...wonder where he stood before DNA got recognized???..LOL..

I have no doubt in the future this man ( Dr. Kobo) will use this as a foundation for HIS findings in the future.....All these Forensic specialist will ALL GAIN from Dr. Vass's research...They are just waiting for it to be found credible by the courts....

BTW Dr. Kobo nor most paid forensic specialist would waste their time on research..they only capitalize on all the HARDWORK performed by researcher's such as Dr. Vass.....I find it rather odd that these TH's would Badmouth this man...especially if they EVER WISH to use his findings in future.. CAN you imagine IF these "Experts" ever wish to use this in the future?? and have their opinions exposed???..Yikes....These experts best mind just what they air for the world to hear, see and able to recall??? NOT good for their future possible defenses IMO..

Example: Can you imagine if Lawyers and Forensic specialist poo poo'd DNA..then tried to sit as an expert witness to suggest "Innocence" of someone based on that particular evidence?...I recall back to Lawyer Scheck..from OJ fame...regarding DNA...but this also goes to FUTURE..
Bottomline..this evidence is groundbreaking...no more no less and best keep your well paid mouth shut IF you ever have to use it in the future..JMOO
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Don't know if you're aware, but Dr. Kobo was on Vinnie's show earlier, and Vinnie introduced him as a member (as in present tense, not past) of the defense team. Therefore, I didn't expect him to have anything good to say about Dr. Vass. Same with LKB. Both shills for the defense.
 
Yeah cause you know- Casey drove around in a smelly car, looked in her trunk several times, and never noticed that her dad had put her dead daughter in the trunk. Seems feasible to me...
 
There have been a bunch more since I checked it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history

Note that the times are UTC, it's about 2300 UTC when I'm making this post:

Coordinated Universal Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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LOL Had to laugh at clean up at 22:03 . Removing Dissertation,as it's not a reliable resource and doesn't belong here ,and blogs aren't reliable sources ,either (paraphrased) ! :floorlaugh:

Just thought that was amusing since Wikipedia is not known for it's accuracy.
 
TotallyObsessed said:
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
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I've thought this would be their story for a while now. GA had the keys and who knows where the car was all the time.

But remember
1) ICA texted about the smell in the car - so car must have been in her possession while the body was in it. Surely the jury isn't expected to believe that she didn't open the trunk and look to see what was smelling, knowing her daughter had died a few days before !
2) ICA told TL that her car was pushed into AMSCOT so it was in her possession at that time.

I'm really not worried. The worst that might happen is Life Without Parole or a hung jury. She will not walk - IMHO
 
TotallyObsessed said:
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
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Yes, the DT can say that, but they've already lost the jury. Baez shouldn't have fought the trunk evidence, then he could say that GA put Caylee in the trunk. If he had slid it into his opening, then it might have worked but he wasn't good enough to see this coming, so he didn't bother with it. In the end, sure, Baez can say, yeah, that's the ticket, GA put Caylee in the trunk. But it will come off as contrived, as if the defense is stuck with it so they weave it into their own narrative after the prosecution has rested.

The DT can make a lot of implicit promises to the jury, but without any evidence, the jury will do what the rest of us have done: ignore Baez's silly claim.

My opinion...
 
Nali87 said:
I think they both considered it as a given. "Chloroform evaporates very quickly when exposed to air. Chloroform also dissolves easily in water, but does not stick to the soil very well. This means that it can travel down through soil to groundwater where it can enter a water supply. Chloroform lasts for a long time in both the air and in groundwater. Most chloroform in the air eventually breaks down, but this process is slow. The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxic than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=51&tid=16

"Long" is according to this site many years for groundwater, doesn't mention how long precisely for air or other surfaces like carpet though.
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/chloroform.htm

IMA and Harmony give great additional information on page 40 and 41. It seems that chloroform evaporates slower in the dark as well.
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Yes, I would assume that the carpet was a continuous source for the odor.
 
Rallihanna said:
Yeah cause you know- Casey drove around in a smelly car, looked in her trunk several times, and never noticed that her dad had put her dead daughter in the trunk. Seems feasible to me...
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And why would you try to cover up a drowning? It's not like she wouldn't have been able to prove that Caylee did indeed die in the swimming pool and would've been charged with murder or something like that. I assume an autopsy would've showed that cause of death was indeed drowning.
 
TotallyObsessed said:
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
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Wouldn't the jurors then be rather baffled as to why JB spent half the day today attempting to discount any evidence of the body being in the trunk? :waitasec:
 
Nali87 said:
I don't know. It is a lot of circumstantial evidence but when you connect all the dots there's only explanation really. When you have numerous pieces of circumstantial evidence all pointing in the same directions, carrying them, collectively, to a specific conclusion, they are usually quite reliable. The blanket, the car, the tape, the bag, her behaviour, the phone call, her lies, Dr Vass. And if it was an accident, I think an ex-police officer who knows the basics of law, would come to the conclusion that there's no jail time involved. Now, hiding a body on the other hand, is a crime, is a disgrace. No one attacks a mother for an accident. Therefore there's no reason to dispose of the body. I think George, really, based on his job experience, would've weighted both the options and chosen the reasonable one.
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This post, imo, is spot on, Nali.
 
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