Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #8

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The perp did leave dna at the abduction scene. It may or may not be fingerprints. I don't think it's been reported where the dna was left. I'm also not sure if it was verified that the DNA was an "oily substance". Does anyone here know or remember if that is fact?

No, you didn't miss anything. :) As I said, the DNA thing is only one of many theory's running through my head.

When the info about the pp underwear was 1st released, some people thought it was left at the scene by accident. With the new info, don't most of us agree that's not the case? That lends much creedence to the theory that the perp is "playing games".
This is what I think. Sort of like BTK. It is a known observation that some keep trophies. Since no DNA of the perp and only unknown DNA was found it lends a theory to that he is/was a peeping tom and collected these panties. Dropped them off at the site to confuse the issue. It may have never been an assault of any kind where he collected the panties. Just part of his perverseness if that is a word.
 
just checking in......soooo, not much new, ugh.....i really thought we were going to hear that a person has been arrested.....can't get into reading everything, but i'll check into it at the renocity web site, & will read all the posts to catch up tomorrow.....

my friend (don't know if anyone remembers, but this a very good friend of mine who's battling cancer) is staying the night with me....we have to some movies to watch.....

everyone have a great evening:)
 
Lev, that's what I was throwing out a couple posts back. Though I can't see a rapist having consensual sex.

But if we're really to think about it: he has a one night stand with KT, who brought him back from the casino/concert. Bri passes out on the couch while KT and the perp do their thing. Perp passes out with KT for a while, and then goes out to leave. Maybe he even has slipped her a date rape drug. Sees Brianna asleep and vulnerable and decides to attack her. No one sees anything suspicious because he was already in the house. That could explain why no one is coming forward with any sightings of a vehicle or a peeper.

Newshound, jennywv, s.s., 10EC Dad, and fellow sleuth's, Greetings!

You betcha newshound, I think you and I are on the exact same page. I don't want to muddy the waters or get tangential here whatsoever. Yet, straight up my very first feeling when LE got involved and the media introduced us to K.T. on the one hand, I immediately thought of Mountain Brook, AL and the Holloway case; and on the other we have who, Jessica, who asks clearly a stranger for a lift home. (I think it was Jessica?)

I don't mind admitting it but I've spent perhaps half of my existence in college; either, as a student, adjunct professor, coaching staff, or somewhere in the administration. Here is one quick assessment of how college, parties in particular, has changed dramatically over the years!

Just think about this: Didn't the delectable Miss Nevada get stripped from her crown when some compromising photos turned up on the web? And the debacle with the part-time college Miss U.S.A., and her raging in New York.

Far be it from me, but is appears that the youth of today is far more promiscuous—especially within their own gender that ever before. (Example(s): 'Wild Things', 'Cruel Intentions', the Madonna—Britney kiss, etc.)

Lev ~

PS Please understand that I am in no way intending to tarnish anyone remotely involved--especially Brianna Denison. However, another attempted kidnapping today at UNR, a 20 year old 'girl-lady' was walking home alone in the wee hours of the morning.
 
Leila,
Hey, so you're saying he specificially planned to use panties as a weapon? I'm not convinced of that yet. ;)
The perp is smart enough to not get caught but he didn't try to kill his other victims. (The victims we know about.) So I'm not sure he was smart enough to plan on taking UW to use as a weapon.

I don't think he necessarily planned to use the underwear as a weapon, but..........I think the underwear sexually arouses him. He had the underwear with him, and the notion of using it to kill her became a stimulant and may have been a last minute thought when he decided to kill her.
 
This confuses me:



So the pink undies had Brianna's DNA, and the suspect's DNA, plus the DNA of the owner who was someone who lived at the house Brianna was taken from?? I'm confused about this - would Brianna borrow undies (that seems unlikely) or did the perp take some dirty ones from the house?? The logistics of that seem unlikely in the sense that I've always thought it was a quick abduction. This case keeps getting more and more bizarre.

My first inclination when this happened was "This is ridiculous"..as though Brianna may have recognized this fella....and I felt one of the girls knew something but didn't know she knew. What if one of the girls in the apt where Brianna was staying that night had sex with the perp in the past and he was coming back for her and stumbled onto Brianna instead....and kept her underwear or went back to the apt at some point and took it....
 
I don't think he necessarily planned to use the underwear as a weapon, but..........I think the underwear sexually arouses him. He had the underwear with him, and the notion of using it to kill her became a stimulant and may have been a last minute thought when he decided to kill her.

Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.
 
My first inclination when this happened was "This is ridiculous"..as though Brianna may have recognized this fella....and I felt one of the girls knew something but didn't know she knew. What if one of the girls in the apt where Brianna was staying that night had sex with the perp in the past and he was coming back for her and stumbled onto Brianna instead....and kept her underwear or went back to the apt at some point and took it....
:eek: That could have happened. Something was going on previously if 3 people's DNA is on the UW.
 
I thinks it's much more likely that the freak found the pink underwear in the home at some point, maybe from a laundry hamper and then got his dna on them during the attack. After the unsuccessful rape attempts, the freak seems to have started abducting women at their home or at least where he had his vehicle ready to abduct. If he wasn't watching the two women beforehand, how did he know that a man wouldn't be in or near the homes to stop him and how did he feel confident enough to locate and get the pink underwear. He can't be just wandering around parking beside homes and hoping that a petite long straight haired girl will appear.
 
I have just always had the feeling from the beginning that one or more of the people in the house that night, knew more than they were saying.

Maybe they don't want to believe it, or they only met the person once or twice in casual meetings from the male roomates.....I just feel someone in the house might have a clue or suspicion on the person who might have done it.

I followed the facebook group for Bri, and I don't recall seeing any messages from Kt or jessica. We haven't heard anything else from them either. Does anyone know if they attended the memorial for Bri after she was found?
 
http://www.cityofreno.com/index.aspx?recordid=1342&page=1421
I thought that this was interesting after the Craigs' List "insider" information.

If nothing else, the press conference did let me know that LE is still working
diligently and knows that Reno isn't going to let this thing die either.

On the bright side, if I ever overhear women talking about underwear, I'll be able to to "chime" right in and perhaps even give some advice on the subject.
 
I have just always had the feeling from the beginning that one or more of the people in the house that night, knew more than they were saying.

Maybe they don't want to believe it, or they only met the person once or twice in casual meetings from the male roomates.....I just feel someone in the house might have a clue or suspicion on the person who might have done it.

I followed the facebook group for Bri, and I don't recall seeing any messages from Kt or jessica. We haven't heard anything else from them either. Does anyone know if they attended the memorial for Bri after she was found?

I respectfully disagree. The other knows victims seem to be at random with the possibility of stalking. I have a hard time believing that the perp would kill the one victim that he would have ties to no matter how small the connection.

I have about 70 friends on myspace which is all people I know. But I have many friends ans family who don't have a pc or don't use myspace. Do you know if kt or jessica is on bri's facebook at all?

I also thought jessica may be a friend of kt's and may not have even known bri that well.

I also think that if kt or jessica knew something they would have told the police. They are college girls and it would not be out of the ordinary for them to bring a guy home so I'm not sure why they would lie about it. But they did downplay their drinking that night so you could be right.
 
Is it possible the girls were so drunk that he picked up the underwear and possibly assaulted the other girl before doing anything to Brianna? (Something as simple as touching her.) Or he picked up the uw from the room, used it to clean himself and just took it when he took Brianna?

Just because DNA is on the uw doesn't mean it was worn by either of the girls.
 
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Obviously, he did something with these underwear which is out of the norm. They weren't just laying around at the crime scene.

That's it. I was afraid to say it, but in one of the first statements made after Brianna's body was found, LE said the perp did something 'deranged' or abnormal.
I've wondered from that day if the perp didn't put the UM somewhere in Briana's body. Not on, in.
Like in her mouth or in another orifice.
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My first inclination when this happened was "This is ridiculous"..as though Brianna may have recognized this fella....and I felt one of the girls knew something but didn't know she knew. What if one of the girls in the apt where Brianna was staying that night had sex with the perp in the past and he was coming back for her and stumbled onto Brianna instead....and kept her underwear or went back to the apt at some point and took it....

If this case was isolated, perhaps. I have a hard time following that theory when placed in context with the other attacks.
 
That's it. I was afraid to say it, but in one of the first statements made after Brianna's body was found, LE said the perp did something 'deranged' or abnormal.
I've wondered from that day if the perp didn't put the UM somewhere in Briana's body. Not on, in.
Like in her mouth or in another orifice.

I said yesterday afternoon that I thought he put the underwear in her mouth - I think he stuffed the underwear down her throat.
 
Well, if it was said he did something deranged or different, I think he possibly shoved the underwear down her throat. I'm only speculating, but that's the thought that crossed my mind as to having her DNA and the other girl's DNA on the same pair along with his. I think he took a pair of dirty undies with him - did his little thing and put them in her mouth and down her throat, thereby getting Brianna's DNA on them as well.
 
I believe he could have found the panties randomly that night at MacKay Court, but the problem I'm having is him taking all this time and possibly making commotion to do this.

I do not believe that the panties would have been left out in the open in the common area. Girls in general can be slobs, but most draw the line at leaving their undergarments lying around where other people - especially men - can see them.

How did this guy find the laundry room, even know one was there? Why would he risk spending extra time in this house? And if he did, how did the other girls not hear him? If this guy was walking around trying to find underwear, wouldn't you hear it, a creak in the floor or something, versus him taking two steps to come in the door to the couch and back out with Brianna in his arms?

I feel like this second pair of underwear is more baffling than the first.
 
I believe he could have found the panties randomly that night at MacKay Court, but the problem I'm having is him taking all this time and possibly making commotion to do this.

I do not believe that the panties would have been left out in the open in the common area. Girls in general can be slobs, but most draw the line at leaving their undergarments lying around where other people - especially men - can see them.

How did this guy find the laundry room, even know one was there? Why would he risk spending extra time in this house? And if he did, how did the other girls not hear him? If this guy was walking around trying to find underwear, wouldn't you hear it, a creak in the floor or something, versus him taking two steps to come in the door to the couch and back out with Brianna in his arms?

I feel like this second pair of underwear is more baffling than the first.

I still think the PP thong is the odd piece of the puzzle.
 
The RGJ is really starting to make me mad....
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS01/80306031/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON
Police said two women and two men lived at the MacKay Court home. Authorities would not disclose which woman, K.T. Hunter or Jessica Deal, owned the underwear. But investigators said the woman identified the underwear and said it was hers.

I thought Jessica was not a resident of the house? Seriously, why aren't these facts straight after nearly two months?

Also, in the same article:

Investigators do not know how the suspect obtained the student’s underwear and said they had no evidence that any of the roommates’ rooms had been burglarized.

And about the panties and Bri's body:

Struffert said Thursday the pink and black panties were found intertwined with Denison’s body.

So, to answer someone else's previous questions, the panties are not necessarily intertwined together, but possible mixed in with Bri's body in some way...
 
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