UNSOLVED CA - Port Hueneme, LIVING HispFem 'Luxci', Sep'92

runr said:

I'm not saying that; 20 years of linguistics and language acquisition research indicates that.

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I remember reading about this when that girl from California (Genie?) was found. She had been kept locked up in her home by her parents, and she had no language skills. Because she was a teen, she was never really able to develop language skills. I thought it was younger than 8 though, the age that is sort of the cut off date for being able to develop language.

There was also that little girl in Florida, being raised by her mentally deficient mother and brothers. She was found in squalor, and she had the saddest, most eerie gaze...

runr said:

FWIW, I worked with the children of migrant Mexican families in farming in the US from 1993-1999. My specialty was education of children with special needs and disabilities.

We dealt with one family who had a daughter with significant delays, mainly b/c where they had been in Mexico, her "condition" was considered to be an embarrassment for the family, and they hid her in the home and from visitors, and the siblings were told not to mention that she existed. The mom had worked in a chemical factory in Mexico while pregnant, and this child was born with many challenges. The child had never been to school and never really even out in public when we (literally) found her hidden in their apt.

Her family loved her very much, but culturally, they had been so accustomed to keeping her away from society b/c they were ashamed, that they had no idea that there were services and schooling for children with special needs in the US. The mom was so grateful when we found her and told her that we could help. She obviously loved her daughter very much, but since the mom had no education at all, either, it was a HUGE challenge.

The little girl regularly attended school (most migrant kids miss a ton of school, but she was always there). We had a zillion specialists working with her, but since she was about 12 and never had any kind of formal language, not Spanish, not English, not sign language, but a few "home signs," it was INCREDIBLY difficult to make much progress.

Developmentally, if people do not "get" a formal language by age 8, it is highly unlikely that they will ever be ABLE to acquire formal language. Those neural transmissions just don't develop after that age. (This is one of the reasons that many Deaf advocates encourage use of ASL when children are young, even if the family insists on English down the road, so that the critical language development years are not "lost," but that is a separate, heated argument.)

HTH.

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My sister in Oregon has a friend from Mexico who has a son in his early 20's who is severely mentally disabled from a high fever when he was a baby. He can't talk, all he can do is grunt and he is constantly biting the side of his hand. Luxsi appears to me to have a similar condition, although she doesn't do the hand biting.

He loves Mariachi music and goes bonkers with glee when the Mariachis play. He'll stick his face right up within inches of the guitar strings as they are playing. But the family loves him equally as his brothers and sister, and they have no embarrassment in taking him in public with the rest of the family.

My point was not to imply anything negative at all about Mexico, the people there, or its culture as a whole, only that this ONE family with whom I worked, in a completely uneducated and migrant community, felt this way.

Thanks, runr.

I had no intention to imply that you had an overall negative view of the Mexican people.

I was just making an observation of my own experience in this regard with no intended implication as to your feelings toward the Mexican culture.

runr said:

My point was not to imply anything negative at all about Mexico, the people there, or its culture as a whole, only that this ONE family with whom I worked, in a completely uneducated and migrant community, felt this way.

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You seem awfully sensitive - no one is attacking you. Just asking questions/making statements.

Hope Lucy is found soon and that somehow someone can get a full name and birthdate out of her someday...or that someone recognizes her and can. Somehow, she was abandoned, whether it be intentionally or not.

Bumpy

Anyone ever find out the name of the place she was sent to live in while being in cotati?


That's not too far from my hometown.

I just talked with a friend of mine who is Spanish-basque and she said that the name luxci is a Spanish-basque name. The x makes a "ch" sound.

The basque though runs the from Spain through France. It was mentioned on another board that there is a huge south American population in Spain.

bumping..

There isn't much known about this woman, other than that she was last seen in December 1993. She was found with meth during the last time that she was seen, so she could have been involved with drugs.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy

PM #1: Unidentified Hispanic Female found in Temecula, California on Feb. 3, 1994. Age between 19 to 35 years old

PM #2: Unidentified Female found Los Angeles, California on July 26, 1994. Age between 25 to 40 years old

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy

Very mysterious case. She wasn't really deaf and was seen with Meth after she left the shelter. This makes me wonder if she really had amnesia or if she was hiding from someone.

I wonder if she could have been a teacher at a school for the deaf or if her parent(s) were deaf and that is why she used signing. Maybe she was running away from an abusive husband.

JeannieC said:

Very mysterious case. She wasn't really deaf and was seen with Meth after she left the shelter. This makes me wonder if she really had amnesia or if she was hiding from someone.

I wonder if she could have been a teacher at a school for the deaf or if her parent(s) were deaf and that is why she used signing. Maybe she was running away from an abusive husband.

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There was much discussion about her on Sitcoms Online.

I just found some more info on her from an article SO posted:

"who said the woman is between 20 and 25 years old, 5 feet tall, weighs about 100 pounds and has shoulder-length curly brown hair and brown eyes."

The same article also says that she didn't understand English or Spanish, even though she was determined to be from Mexico. She was also illiterate and had the mental age of a 9 year old.

I found this You Tube video with Lucy.

Luxci

I know a child with Down's Syndrome who prefers to use sign language to communicate even though he can hear perfectly well. It seems to be more comfortable for him than speaking. Considering one of the articles I read said she had the mental capacity of a 9 yr. old, I wonder.

I wonder if they did manage to actually find out anything about the bank receipt after the first try.

Hello,

This is a case that made me discover WS.

A few years ago I was asked to try and identify a hispanic woman that did not speak english and had no identification. I don't know if I could provide info on what context I met her in...

I searched missing persons bulletins everywhere, everyday for about 3 months and came up with nothing. Her fingerprints were not on file and we had her checked out with local LE and she had no prints in the system.

I spoke with this woman and was able to spend time with her for about 3 months. The first two months I spoke to her, she would just look at me and smile while I talked and asked her questions and she would not respond. During the third month, I went to speak to her and was surprised to hear her say, "I remember you" in spanish. I was totally surprised, as she had not spoken to me before.

I was able to gather quite a bit of information from her. However, all the information she was giving me was outdated.

I was able to gather that she had some sort of run in with immigration (she was very afraid of LE), she had a son that lived in long beach and she also told me that something had happened to her baby.

I felt very sad that her family was not with her. She also told me where the son worked and gave me a street name, but the business had closed in early 2000. I printed google maps, and I removed the street names and she was able to tell me street names for main roads in the norwalk and long beach areas.

The way she spoke was a little bit odd, she spoke in very short, quiet sentences and her spanish dialect was different from what I was used to hearing.

Also the way she would answer questions was a bit off. I would ask her where she lived and she smiled and said "Where they make the coffee" "You know the good one". The next day I would ask her and she would show me a carnation flower.

I was determined to figure this lady out, sadly the only good information that did pan out as verified, was that she was living in a shelter called carnations (or something similar), go figure (in mexico sometimes they use nescafe red carnation condensed milk for coffee). She was giving me the information but I did not understand her.

There were many things she said that were consistent, she was adamant that she just had a baby yet, she looked like she was late 40s early 50s, she said something happened to her baby. She never identified the sex of the baby though. When she was being fingerprinted by a LE, she looked very scared and kept telling me they would call immigration on her. She mentioned a chicken farm, and some type of violent incident there, but I was not able to get more info on that.

She was eventually sent to a shelter, with no verified identity. I felt so, so bad when she left. I still check, hoping someone would report her missing.

When I ran across this Luxci and saw her picture I felt like the woman I spoke to was luxci. When I initially spoke to her she said her name was martha lucia, but she pronounced it lux -e-ah, with an emphasis on the x.

Does anyone have any new information about Luxci??

annemc2 said:

I did find a Luxci on a Mexican social networking site who lives in Oaxaca. I think she looks much younger than the "mystery woman" would be now, but she does use some really strange language. I don't know if it's a regional dialect or slang or what but it's not really standard Spanish.

for example: olaaaa am pz aki les dejo esta foottooo mi me firman okis los kieloo muxooo

She's the only Luxci that the Google Mexico pulls up.

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It's really silly, misspelled, childish slang. Like "typin lyk dis". It says "Hello, um, well here is a picture. Can you comment on it? I love you all!"

There is something called selective mutism. It is common among people with autism and it does sound like this woman could have that. That means that you do not speak might appear deaf but you can hear perfectly well. The fact that she chooses some communication but rejects other could also suggest autism. Home-made signs might also indicate autism, sometimes they choose to not speak in other ways than their own and if the person first chose hand signs parents might have used proper sign language to try to open the conversation and therefore the person ends up speaking both proper signs and their own signs. The person who thinks s/he might have talked to Luxci and described that she talked in a quiet voice and gave strange answers seem to support autism as well in my judgement.

I don't believe this women suffered from autism. The language specialists who described her said she was engaging, try hard to communicate with them. With the autistic populations therapist are forever trying to engage them. I do believe that she is developmentaly delayed and has a communication handicap. As I think it highly unlikely that these therapists would not recognize the difference between someone faking not understanding language and someone really not understanding language. Plus, her behavior in the streets is consistant with a developmentaly delayed adult. Her story hit a nerve with me when I saw it years ago on unsolved mysteries. I pray she is safe somewhere, but fear with her vunverbiities she could have become victim to the streets long ago.

mjak