Identified! IL - Will Co., Male body in Des Plaines River, May'09 - Gary Schmidt

oceanblueeyes said:

Well Stacy sure may have been in the barrel that TM helped move but it just doesn't make sense. Imo, DP knew that TM wasn't stable and would not be able to keep what he did a secret.

Somehow for some reason I see DP just laughing his a^^ off as everyone scrambled to look for the infamous blue barrel. I find him that diabolical. I think he lives to pull the wool over people's eyes as if it is one big joke. He is a jerk no doubt about it but he is not a stupid man. If he had been stupid then he would have been arrested months ago. I just feel he was playing a game to throw LE off their game. Being a police officer for 29 years he knows how they think.

He certainly looks capable of moving a 100 pound body right by himself. He knows the less anyone else knows the better. If one other person knows something then it is not a secret.

I just feel that the blue barrel is a red herring but I would love to be wrong.

imo

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Ocean, in a perfect crime, Drew would have done what he did when he murdered Kathleen. He went in the middle of the night in his black SWAT clothing and was back home in bed when his & Kathleen's sons awoke. They say to this day that their dad couldn't have murdered their mom because they were with them - home in bed.

Something happened that day and Drew killed Stacy. He couldn't handle the body removal himself. He had no choice but to get help. HE HAD TO GET HER OUT OF THERE. He knew that since Stacy was scheduled to be with her family, that if she didn't show up they would be calling. And when they couldn't reach her by phone, they would be looking for her. He's a policeman. He knows the drill. A search warrant could be executed quickly and he NEEDED TO REMOVE HER.

Yes, Tom seems to have had problems in the past and Drew tells anyone who will listen that Tom is unstable. But, ask yourself this question....If you desperately need help for a chore that might later turn out to be the surreptitious removal of your dead wife's body, who do you ask: the most decent honorable person you've ever known, or one whose past is a little shaky and might be easy to discredit?

I think the answer is clear.

http://www.wbbm780.com/Renowned-forensic-specialist-on-unidentified-body-/4472448

CHICAGO (WBBM) - A forensic anthropologist who identified the remains of the Oklahoma City bombing victims and the boys and men murdered by John Wayne Gacy is weighing in on last week's discovery of a body in the Des Plaines River.

Dr. Clyde Snow says that even though DNA may help identify the remains, what’s left of the skeleton itself may yield some clues as to what happened, “Very often the bones turn out to be the best witnesses”.

thesleuther said:

I can think of a lot of adjectives to describe Drew Peterson, and one of them is COWARD. This abusive man wouldn't have the guts to dismember anyone. Second, where would he do it? You can completely rule out the house because of the mess and the number of people who would hear a chain saw. Then there are the woods or other remote locations. He simply didn't have time. He spent the day doing things that require witnesses. By that, I mean that going to the airport with a couple of kids, taking them over to Sharon's and being gone only 15 minutes, etc., hwas a way for him to leave a trail of witnesses that he was involved that day with life's mundane things.

Just getting away with enough time to drop a container with his wife's body is difficult and scary enough. On a strictly common sense note, there simply wasn't enough time for dismemberment. In addition, Drew Peterson is a coward, he simply wouldn't have had the guts to do something so grisly.

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The only possible hang up to your otherwise agreeable logic is the "3 day head clearing trip". Did he somehow get the body somewhere where he had the time and solitude to dismember it. But if he did, you can bet he didn't come back home and dump the remains in the river.

That 3 day head clearing trip is the most puzzling piece of this mystery to me. I hope LE has some idea where he went those three days.

This is my 1st post here. I have been a lurker for awhile!

Is it just me or does DP look like the Cowardly Lion on the Wizard of Oz??

Homey said:

This is my 1st post here. I have been a lurker for awhile!

Is it just me or does DP look like the Cowardly Lion on the Wizard of Oz??

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Yes, the resemblance is uncanny! (we have noticed that for some time now...) LOL

I have to weigh in again on the dismemberment. It makes no sense to me that a police officer, who KNOWS that even with the head and hands missing, whatever bones ARE found are 100% identifiable within weeks wtih DNA analysis. So why dismember a body and then strew pieces all over Illinois. Now you don't just have one body in one location to worry about surfacing. You have many parts that could be found...and yes, all of them would be identifiable. It just doesn't add up.

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"[Stacy] Peterson's own mother vanished from Blue Island [Illinois] in 1999 [should be 1998]. The couple's marriage certificate lists the whereabouts of Christie Toutges as unknown.

Per Drew:
"I believe she's [Stacy Peterson] either going to tell people where she is or she's going to go down deeper, like how her mom did," said [Drew] Peterson. Drew Peterson said there have been indications Toutges is still alive but she has yet to surface. Peterson hopes the tendency does not run in the family."

Inserted from <http://www.acandyrose.com/stacy_peterson_names.htm>

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He is an arrogant SOB that has gotten away with too much for too long. I am convinced he is a serial killer. I can't decide if he is going to be like the BTK killer and spill his guts when he realizes he is caught, or if he's going to be like KC Ant and never admit his role.

MOO

Homey said:

This is my 1st post here. I have been a lurker for awhile!

Is it just me or does DP look like the Cowardly Lion on the Wizard of Oz??

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LOL You are right!!

robthomaseyes said:

I have to weigh in again on the dismemberment. It makes no sense to me that a police officer, who KNOWS that even with the head and hands missing, whatever bones ARE found are 100% identifiable within weeks wtih DNA analysis. So why dismember a body and then strew pieces all over Illinois. Now you don't just have one body in one location to worry about surfacing. You have many parts that could be found...and yes, all of them would be identifiable. It just doesn't add up.

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I think the dismemberment is due to natural causes, such as being in the river. As much as I dislike DP, I can't see him cutting up her body. On the other hand, if he had someone else dispose of her body, that's another story. MOO

thesleuther said:

Ocean, in a perfect crime, Drew would have done what he did when he murdered Kathleen. He went in the middle of the night in his black SWAT clothing and was back home in bed when his & Kathleen's sons awoke. They say to this day that their dad couldn't have murdered their mom because they were with them - home in bed.

Something happened that day and Drew killed Stacy. He couldn't handle the body removal himself. He had no choice but to get help. HE HAD TO GET HER OUT OF THERE. He knew that since Stacy was scheduled to be with her family, that if she didn't show up they would be calling. And when they couldn't reach her by phone, they would be looking for her. He's a policeman. He knows the drill. A search warrant could be executed quickly and he NEEDED TO REMOVE HER.

Yes, Tom seems to have had problems in the past and Drew tells anyone who will listen that Tom is unstable. But, ask yourself this question....If you desperately need help for a chore that might later turn out to be the surreptitious removal of your dead wife's body, who do you ask: the most decent honorable person you've ever known, or one whose past is a little shaky and might be easy to discredit?

I think the answer is clear.

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I wish I felt as confident as you do but for some reason from the very beginning of the blue barrel saga it just doesn't make sense to me. It does seem like something DP would do in order to send LE on a wild goose chase.

While I respect that you believe he had to have help I just don't see that he had to have any help to remove a 100 pound body. He is not that puny and the adrenaline would be pumping overtime, imo.

But we will see and I hope we all know the correct answer one way or the other one day.

imoo

oceanblueeyes said:

Well Stacy sure may have been in the barrel that TM helped move but it just doesn't make sense. Imo, DP knew that TM wasn't stable and would not be able to keep what he did a secret.

Somehow for some reason I see DP just laughing his a^^ off as everyone scrambled to look for the infamous blue barrel. I find him that diabolical. I think he lives to pull the wool over people's eyes as if it is one big joke. He is a jerk no doubt about it but he is not a stupid man. If he had been stupid then he would have been arrested months ago. I just feel he was playing a game to throw LE off their game. Being a police officer for 29 years he knows how they think.

He certainly looks capable of moving a 100 pound body right by himself. He knows the less anyone else knows the better. If one other person knows something then it is not a secret.

I just feel that the blue barrel is a red herring but I would love to be wrong.

imo

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I agree. DrewP knows men that reportedly would be able to keep a secret. He has other family members, fellow officers and reputably had some organized crime ties. But instead of asking them for help, he turned to someone who he seems to view as 'weak.' To me that doesn't make sense. Unless the plan was that TM would tell what he knows if needed, if the disappearance is investigated. To me it sounds like more of a diversionary tactic.

Now if TM was able to say we left the body here, LE would go there and search. DrewP knows this. But that is just one place. Insead DrewP has made sure there are multiple places, the airport where the car was, the airport where the ultralight was, TM with the drop off place and a storage area. The more places there are, the larger the search area. DrewP was making the search area so big, with the goal that they wouldn't be able to search all of it.

I think DrewP used his knowlege of forensics and people to lay false trails in the hopes that LE would be so busy running them down that they would never be able to come up with the right one.

One rumor in the case is that DrewP knew someone with a crematory and that Stacy was cremated with another scheduled body. That her ashes are now mixed with that persons. One theory I have seen is that DrewP got his hands on some chemicals (acid) and that Stacy was dissolved, then the barrel disposed of (thus the need for the three days.) I have seen other similar theories on other cases, but have never seen any of them proven.

I agree with your assessment of DrewP and I believe that his joky folksy personality is also a diversion, he uses it to hide what he is really thinking. He says things that he knows will anger people, to keep them thinking about what he said, not what he isn't saying. After all, he can't be prosecuted for being a chauvinist. I do think he had visions of getting away with it, and making money off it at the same time. I do think that he enjoyed being in the spotlight.

Leila said:

I just remembered something about Stacy's car. Neighbor Sharon says that Stacy's car was gone that Sunday morning. Sharon left to run some errands about 9:30am and returned sometime between 11:30am and noon. I'm trying to remember exactly what she said. I think Stacy's car was there when she left at 9;30am and gone when she returned.

It makes sense that if Drew killed Stacy that Sunday morning before she left the house, and was going to claim that she went to see her grandfather at the assisted care home, he'd have to do something with her car. If he left her car in the driveway, people would say "how did she go see her grandfather if her car is still here?"

Most people think that Drew drove her car to the nearby airport that was just around the corner from their house, left it there and walked back home - about a five minute walk.

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Yeah, my theory is that the kids were sent to their rooms and told to close the doors and Stacy was taken out and put into that car before it was moved. DrewP is autocratic, if the kids were told to go to their rooms and close the doors, they would have done it.

The one thing that Drewp didn't want to risk was that the kids might go into the br and see Stacy and I think he would have gotten her out of the house right away. There was also the danger that Sharon or Cass might stop over and expect to see Stacy. So her car had to go, so that he could say she left. After that, he started setting up diversionary tactics and at the same time trying to give the impression that it was just another day and he was just another husband whose wife left him.

While he was away from the home that first time, I think he probably was setting up arrangements to move Stacy's remains somewhere. Then after the little ones went to bed that night, DrewP started moving cars, and disposed of her remains.

I think that Cass surprised him, I think he thought he would have one more day before Cass made a report if he couldn't convince her. So that is an advantage, she didn't wait that one more day.

The three days after? I do think that DrewP was doing something related to Stacy. When he was near the home he covered his face so that people on the street wouldn't recognize him. Then all of a sudden he quit hiding and started mugging for the camera.

mysteriew said:

Yeah, my theory is that the kids were sent to their rooms and told to close the doors and Stacy was taken out and put into that car before it was moved. DrewP is autocratic, if the kids were told to go to their rooms and close the doors, they would have done it.

The one thing that Drewp didn't want to risk was that the kids might go into the br and see Stacy and I think he would have gotten her out of the house right away. There was also the danger that Sharon or Cass might stop over and expect to see Stacy. So her car had to go, so that he could say she left. After that, he started setting up diversionary tactics and at the same time trying to give the impression that it was just another day and he was just another husband whose wife left him.

While he was away from the home that first time, I think he probably was setting up arrangements to move Stacy's remains somewhere. Then after the little ones went to bed that night, DrewP started moving cars, and disposed of her remains.

I think that Cass surprised him, I think he thought he would have one more day before Cass made a report if he couldn't convince her. So that is an advantage, she didn't wait that one more day.

The three days after? I do think that DrewP was doing something related to Stacy. When he was near the home he covered his face so that people on the street wouldn't recognize him. Then all of a sudden he quit hiding and started mugging for the camera.

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The single striking change in his behavior, to me, you summarized in the last paragraph. Why did he go from Secret Squirrel to Top Cat?

gogrannypop said:

He is an arrogant SOB that has gotten away with too much for too long. I am convinced he is a serial killer. I can't decide if he is going to be like the BTK killer and spill his guts when he realizes he is caught, or if he's going to be like KC Ant and never admit his role.

MOO

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My opinion is that he will NEVER admit what he's done. Imagine admitting to your youngest children that you killed their mother. Then imagine admitting to you older children that (1) you killed their birth mother and then (2) that you killed their adoptive mother. Drew Peterson will NEVER admit wrongdoing.

Hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend! Great to read the posts here and all of those who remember so much :clap: Especially Leila. You are good :clap:

After reading all this I'm struck by how DP changed his MO (in MHO serial killing ways) regarding Stacy. He KNEW he couldn't leave Stacy in the house and claim an "accidental" death. Can't you just picture it? No way he could have this happen to a SECOND wife.

He knew he had to move her and fast. This makes me think that he had very little time to move her body. Cassandra was all over him like a fly on chit. I so hope this is Stacy and Drew made a mistake in thinking he could get away with this.

JOLIET, Ill. - Some of the Midwest's highest-profile unsolved crimes -- including the disappearance of Stacy Peterson and the slayings of five women in a clothing store -- may be investigated by suburban Chicago law enforcement agencies that have banded together.

Authorities in Will and Grundy counties, along with the Illinois State Police and the FBI, are forming a Major Crimes Task Force, officials said at a news conference Tuesday.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-majorcrimestaskfo,0,3716308.story

thesleuther said:

I can think of a lot of adjectives to describe Drew Peterson, and one of them is COWARD. This abusive man wouldn't have the guts to dismember anyone. Second, where would he do it? You can completely rule out the house because of the mess and the number of people who would hear a chain saw. Then there are the woods or other remote locations. He simply didn't have time. He spent the day doing things that require witnesses. By that, I mean that going to the airport with a couple of kids, taking them over to Sharon's and being gone only 15 minutes, etc., hwas a way for him to leave a trail of witnesses that he was involved that day with life's mundane things.

Just getting away with enough time to drop a container with his wife's body is difficult and scary enough. On a strictly common sense note, there simply wasn't enough time for dismemberment. In addition, Drew Peterson is a coward, he simply wouldn't have had the guts to do something so grisly.

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Hi Thesleuther, I give you a as well as a thanks for that post.

I can't imagine him risking the physical slaughtering of Stacy's body either. Not only because of his cowardice, but also because of the possibility forensics would tell a tale on him down the road. Eventually LE would track his whereabouts that day {and the next 3}, and the spatter and grisley blood bath would be still traceable, up to 7 years. And I know that for a fact, as a great and well trained Human Remains Recovery dog or blood specialist dog can go back at least that far.

Remembering Eddie and Keela from Madeleine McCann's case. They are exceptional dogs tho, among the very best in the world. Keela, the blood specialist, can even differentiate between fresh live blood and the blood from a dead body. xox

breanna said:

Hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend! Great to read the posts here and all of those who remember so much :clap: Especially Leila. You are good :clap:

After reading all this I'm struck by how DP changed his MO (in MHO serial killing ways) regarding Stacy. He KNEW he couldn't leave Stacy in the house and claim an "accidental" death. Can't you just picture it? No way he could have this happen to a SECOND wife.

He knew he had to move her and fast. This makes me think that he had very little time to move her body. Cassandra was all over him like a fly on chit. I so hope this is Stacy and Drew made a mistake in thinking he could get away with this.

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I so agree with you Breanna and hope you had a great day off too. And I second your appreciation for our Leila. She is dy~no~mite and devoted too

xox

scandi said:

Hi, A statute or land mile is 5,280' long. It is all relative Kikid, just that the dots are futher apart.

However, I see Faefrost has posted the barrel was also found about a mile upstream from the original remains found last Wed. Downstream, upstream, well they are still in close proximity to each other when one considers the vast area on earth where this body could have landed.

I anticipate more news in the week to come. And I have the maps imbedded in my mind, visualizing that whoever's body this was that landed on that stretch of riverbank, she will be named and the story of how she got there will be told afterall. I have faith in that. Afterall, whoever put this body there never looked into the future, and how nature works, and that in the end, the evidence will tell the final and true story. xox

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I think I didn't do a good enough job of comunicating what I meant earlier. My appologies. I honestly do not know if the barrel was found upstream or downstream. I have now seen reports saying both and will confess I am confused on that point.

What I was really trying to say, is if additional remains or bones were found, and if they were in the water, and if they were a mile away from the original remains, then there had to be something very closely nearby that prompted them to do a thorough search right there. In water, particularly in fresh water, there is absolutely zero chance of finding anything such as a bone simply by doing a broad or random sweep. You simply will not find anything unless you have a pretty good idea that it is down there and a fairly limited area. Say no more then 50 to 100 yards square. The speed with which they located the remains indicates that they had something that pointed them to that somewhat specific area.

This assumes that the bone was actually found in the river, and not on the shoreline or on shore. Early reports said it was in the water. But that may have just been talking head news show exuberance.

panthera said:

I think the dismemberment is due to natural causes, such as being in the river. As much as I dislike DP, I can't see him cutting up her body. On the other hand, if he had someone else dispose of her body, that's another story. MOO

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Well said Panthera, and I almost always agree with you. Now if this is my 3rd post in a row, well I'll say, Good Golly Miss Molly, where is everyone?