NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #12

Patty G said:

You don't have to have legal custody, to make the decision, to make a phone call, to inform the father, of what happened regarding the conversation between AD and the aunt regarding Shaniya.

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LogicalMinds said:

Well if that is the case we might as well all just give up..."nothing we can do"....hello...drop a dime....call the cops, social workers....the drug squad...
call Antoinettes sorry job and demand that she be drug tested

call social services....call code enforcement ....call Nancy Grace

why not go to the media before all this occurred?? Maybe this will be a good lesson to other people to not sit back and expect the best from horrible people

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Penelope said:

In this case, though, I would have gone over to Momster's house and gotten the little girl back -- as I would imagine that Momster would probably not gone to the authorities to fight it. But, that is in hindsight. I do not imagine the Aunt or the Father knew what was really going on. Sad... so very sad.

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Penelope said:

I am a stepmother to a 13 year old girl whose Mom probably has Borderline Personality Disorder. In my case, the mother has full custody of the child.

Over the years, I have had to watch my husband in his interactions with his ex-wife, and it has been heartbreaking. There were a number of times when I begged my husband to report her emotionally, verbally and sometime physically abusive behavior to the authorities and to try to get custody of his daughter but he never would-- he would not go against the mother.

Sometimes these men who get themselves involved with women like my husband's ex or like (God forbid) Momster, they just cannot imagine that the mother of their children can really be that bad. It's like they want their kids to have this "perfect mother" so badly that they make seemingly irrational decisions regarding the care of their kids. IMO the Aunt was probably helpless in such a situation -- just as I was as a stepmother to a girls whose mother was destroying her spirit, day after day.

In this case, though, I would have gone over to Momster's house and gotten the little girl back -- as I would imagine that Momster would probably not gone to the authorities to fight it. But, that is in hindsight. I do not imagine the Aunt or the Father knew what was really going on. Sad... so very sad.

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Muffet said:

Yeah, it just says, three children:

B, 20;
C, 17; and
C, 13

I have no idea what happened with the fourth. It also says his children "have mostly stayed with their grandparents" since their mother died.

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Mommy2Sarah said:

Red - Songline
Unless the buyer rejected Shaniya once he saw her, for some reason, and MAM had no choice but to leave w/ her....and knowing that she'd been reported kidnapped already, felt he had no choice but to dispose of her at that point....he was stuck w/ her because he sure couldn't bring her back home if he knew AD was planning on making that call to police. A 'rejection' possibility wasn't in the plan.
:waitasec:WHAT that child was stunning. and I am sure she was cleaned up, or it certainly would be easy to throw her in the bath tub first.
I do not think this is making sense. REJECT a BEAUTY?


Coe? Nope, not him for sure, as he was back at the trailer pacing around apparently more upset by Shaniya's disappearance than her own mother Maybe he was a better con man then mom, or less drugged up, I am not sure about him yet.:-(

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RAELON said:

ITA

Exactly the Aunt is breaking my heart her pain is like a loving mothers. I think she saw AD for what she really was. Also in the presser a reporter asked the dad about what his older daughter said about how he knew AD used drugs and he did not want to talk about it.

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cleo612 said:

Do we know that she DIDN'T call the father to inform him? He was working out of town. Maybe he planned to wait till he got back in town to try and get to the bottom of the problem with AD.

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Muffet said:

It's so weird that we keep reading that he was going to let Shaniya "live with" her monster, but the aunt expected her back after the weekend...?

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Muffet said:

I might be reading too much into things, but I sensed some uncomfortable dynamics might be going on between the daddy and the aunt and, perhaps, others.

The strongest was the impression that the aunt was not OK with the dad's decision to let Shaniya go there at all to begin with. She outright said she was very uncomfortable with it, didn't approve of the egg-donor, said she wasn't as forgiving as her brother, emphasized her special relationship and how it had been stolen, and kept repeating that parents shouldn't turn our backs on our children.

Where is the father's fiance? Is there one? Or was that a false report?

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jnTexas said:

I wonder where this case would be if the hotel worker had not noticed her, and they never got the video?
At that time Coe was in jail for kidnapping. No one was talking. They may never have found her body. No one would've been looking in Sanford.
Their plan was working until that video surfaced.

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Patty G said:

I should have added ... 2 days of clothes and she was there for a MONTH!!!!

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Patty G said:

We don't know if there was a phone call. I am only going by what was stated in the article and what the father said, which was nothing at all regarding this phone call.

I actually thought that Shaniya had never seen her mother based on how this information all came out, but that is not so, Shaniya was going there on a fairly regular basis.

After listening to Cheynne last night and what she leaked out about drugs, and everything surrounding this and then the articles, it all bothers me a lot.

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southernvagirl said:

Didn't we hear of a fiance' in the background? Also, if Aunt Cary was the primary caregiver here, does the aunt live with the Dad, or is there 2 different households....I just get the feeling like someone else said,,,this is going to be a nasty affair when the light of day comes in with this poor child's demise..Of course I have my own theory as to why things were left for so long in poor little Shaniya's situation, but I will wait to see what comes out.

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songline said:

I do not agree; there are lots of pregnant women out there prostituting themselves, and she is not even showing.

And I can not imagine a frightened child screaming at anyone at all.

If she was pimping her that too is a sale: she just kept on reselling her to different animals.

I do not know what did happen, but I do not see this mom stopping to prostitute herself, or that pimping is not selling.

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Kat said:

Yes I am hoping it's not the case. We'll have to wait and see.

OT- I was watching a show on the Science channel last night with my younger son and a statement was made by one of the TH's and it stuck in my mind (it is not connected with Shaniya) in that the TH said this: Every murder has a motive. It's just that sometimes we don't understand the motive.

This whole case is illogical to me. I find it very difficult to look at the pieces that we have seen so far and create a logical picture of what may have happened. At this point, it just defies any logic IMHO.

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MomofBoys said:

I guess the thing that bothers me is that AD said that they'd never see Shaniya again. I know everyone's different, but I'd be all "hells to the no!" and drive the relatively short distance. I used to live in that area; it's really not that far. Just on the pretense of delivering more clothes, some favorite toys, etc. This child, for all intents and purposes, was undergoing a change of custody, per her father. Surely she'd need things or ask for things. Surely they'd insist on bringing more stuff down, even if they had to make excuses. "I just wanted to help you out by bringing more clothes, toys, her favorite book..."

I'm so sorry if this sounds classist or elitist, but if I had a child that had been living in comfort and in this case relative luxury, I'd have a hard time leaving her there without more oversight. It's not the trailer thing. Lots of fine people live in trailers. But it was rundown and since it was a one-night stand, they couldn't have known what the people were like around there.

I'm not blaming the dad and aunt. Goodness knows they must be absolutely distraught and miserable. I just think we're missing something. Maybe AD had something to hold over his head. Maybe she made some scary threats that he didn't take seriously and now he can't bring himself to revisit it. I don't doubt his grief and his innocence, but there are two sides not meeting up here. The image of the doting father and aunt who lavished so much love on Shaniya, and the fact that she was left at a ramshackle, dirty trailer with only a couple days' of clothes and no one drove down there. Did AD request some space to make it worse? For you parents out there, would you be able to grant that space?

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jokie7348 said:

I only saw the Oct. 31 date in a news article. I wonder if it was a slip-up like someone on HLN referring to Shaniya as Shaniya Twain? I have only heard the dad and aunt give the Oct. 6 date; sounds like it was just for the weekend and then the mother stonewalled the aunt. JMOO

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