George Zimmerman's Injuries #1

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A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.





The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.




http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...heds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532
 
So, a broken nose, a hurt back, two lacerations on the back of th head (1" and 1/4" long), bruised upper lip and cheek, and two black eyes.

IMO this (along with the new info on TM's skinned knuckles) should put the questions regarding if GZ was beaten by TM to rest.
He was.

Even though we couldn't see any injuries in the PD video.
Even though the 2nd ambulance was turned away.
Even though there was no blood on his shirt/jacket.

JMO
 
So, a broken nose, a hurt back, two lacerations on the back of th head (1" and 1/4" long), bruised upper lip and cheek, and two black eyes.

IMO this (along with the new info on TM's skinned knuckles) should put the questions regarding if GZ was beaten by TM to rest.
He was.

Even though we couldn't see any injuries in the PD video.
Even though the 2nd ambulance was turned away.
Even though there was no blood on his shirt/jacket.

JMO

Is a likely broken nose a broken nose?

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy3GYS4O-u8"]Webcast: George Zimmerman Medical Records - YouTube[/ame]
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...-shooting-likely-bolster-self-defense-claims/

The report also shows Zimmerman said he felt stressed and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." Despite the head injuries, he wasn't diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor recommended that Zimmerman be evaluated by a psychologist.

bbm
I think the Dr. recommended the psychologist for what I bolded.

You may be right......I just assumed because of the Rx's he was already taking that those has been prescribed by a psychologist.
 
Well, I stopped the video and captured images of the medical report. SURPRISE!! Things are not exactly as ABC reported and everyone else is repeating! GZ told the Doctor he had a broken nose, the doctor said it was probably the case and recommended he see an ENT. GZ told the doctor he would not be going right on the spot! And, contrary to what his brother and father had said, the report says there were no sutures needed due to the "well approximated skin margins." They had said he should have had stitches, but it was too late.

He was also complaining about his tonsils and his joints were achy. And he has irritable bowel syndrome.

He did get some pain pills out of the visit.

By the way, this ABC video confirms that he refused to go to the hospital the night of the incident.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

So the doc referred him to a ENT and again GZ overrides the trained professional.

A spreadsheet of all the times GZ is advised, by a professional, a person in authority or and expert to do this or that and instead does exactly what GZ wants could exemplify his aversion to advice.

That man is his own worse enemy.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...-shooting-likely-bolster-self-defense-claims/

The report also shows Zimmerman said he felt stressed and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." Despite the head injuries, he wasn't diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor recommended that Zimmerman be evaluated by a psychologist.

bbm
I think the Dr. recommended the psychologist for what I bolded.

What the Dr. actually wrote in his report:


The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with [sic] his psychologist for evaluation."


they put the {sic} in there to stress that is what he really wrote.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...juries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7O5Znpo9Xa
 
Which is more fragile and apt to rupture if they 'collide'? Skin on the face, or skin on the knuckles?

One would hope that the medical examiner attempted to identify if there were particles of anything in the damaged skin of TM's knuckles. Dirt? Skin cells from GZ? Clothing fibers?
 
How did he get the black eyes? Don't you get black eyes when you have a broken nose?

You can get black eyes without having a broken nose. Everyone bruises differently, and has different reactions to injuries. I had 2 black eyes once without having a broken nose simply by sitting next to someone who abruptly raised up his arm and accidently hit me in the nose.
 
You may be right......I just assumed because of the Rx's he was already taking that those has been prescribed by a psychologist.


I believe one needs a license to practice medicine in order to prescribe an rx.

A psychologist would not have such credentials.

A psychiatrist, yes, but a psychologist, no. At least not in my state.
 
Is it typical that there would be a 1 (or 2?) page narrative from a doctor's visit? Every time I go to the doc or take my boys to their pedi, the doc may write some stuff down on a chart or enter it into the computer. But, I have never seen any medical records like this narrative.

Two things:

1) This wasn't an ordinary visit to the dr. GZ presented with multiple wounds on different parts of his body, and they were a result of an altercation in which someone died. I think that would result in the doctor needing to use more words to describe things than a child with a common cold or even a broken arm.

2) Dr's frequently (usually, even, I'd say) say their notes and recollections into a recorder later that day, and then a transcriptionist listens to the recording and types out the notes. These may be the things a dr. said into a recorder after he was no longer in GZ's presence, and not what the dr. himself physically wrote on a chart.
 
Is it typical that there would be a 1 (or 2?) page narrative from a doctor's visit? Every time I go to the doc or take my boys to their pedi, the doc may write some stuff down on a chart or enter it into the computer. But, I have never seen any medical records like this narrative.

He obviously did both, Daisy.

Narratives are not uncommon, however they are usually done for a reason. I imagine both the prosecution and the defense wanted one and it was requested.
In other instances, narratives are dictated for the benefit of another physician to whom they may be referring the patient.
 
I believe one needs a license to practice medicine in order to prescribe an rx.

A psychologist would not have such credentials.

A psychiatrist, yes, but a psychologist, no. At least not in my state.

It is also my understanding. Psychiatrists can prescribe medicine and have a medical degree (MD). Psychologists don't have an MD and therefore normally can not prescribe medicine.
 
Ok so the psychologist can't prescribe, my bad. But I still think GZ had issues before since he was taking those types of medicine and seeing a psychologist.
 
so....trayvon got a few hits in after being attacked, before being shot to death.

proof of trayvon trying to stand his ground.
 
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

So the doc referred him to a ENT and again GZ overrides the trained professional.

A spreadsheet of all the times GZ is advised, by a professional, a person in authority or and expert to do this or that and instead does exactly what GZ wants could exemplify his aversion to advice.

That man is his own worse enemy.

There are a number of things we do not know.

1) What kind of insurance did GZ have? He was not a man of means, and specialists tend to be expensive.

2) Did the Dr. say it was imperative that he see an ENT, or just suggest that he could or should?

3) Had GZ had a broken nose before? Or had anyone close to him? Was he under the impression that there's not much that can be done for them, anyway?

4) Do physicians sometimes refer patients to specialists as a means to cover themselves? My experience has been that they sometimes suggest a visit with a specialist as a precautionary thing, and that more often than not the specialist doesn't do anything additional. In our sue-happy society, sometimes physicians feel compelled to cover all bases. As the patient, GZ may have simply wanted to give his fresh injury a day or two to heal before forking over specialist-sized dollars to be told that he was going to be fine.
 
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