The Bruises! another theory on those.... - Page 2

cami · #26 08-17-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by neesaki

I read the information that their previous house had been burglarized as part of an insurance scam set up by Darin several years ago, which was the explanation for why Darin drove back to the old house and was sitting outside looking at it. I wish I could remember where I read it, one of the books I thought but don't know which one. You know this case much better than I do though, so I'm sure it's as you say it was just a scheme to throw off the investigation.

Then there should be a police report and an insurance pay out. Surely Rowlett cops are not that stupid they didn't check this out.

He did go back to the old house and he talked to the resident there. It's in his trial testimony.

EntreNous · #27 10-05-2012, 06:54 AM

i have a few questions as i am just starting to read up on this case. first, if darlie was laying on the couch was her left side facing out or her right side? also, was the laceration on her neck cut from left to right or right to left? the reason i ask is because the bruise was in/on her armpit or underarm area. and if a perpetrator was hovering over her, could he have put his left knee into her armpit to de-mobilize her arm, while stabilizing himself with his right foot on the floor. theoretically, this person could have sat down on darlie's stomach, limiting their choice of target spots. but, for that to work, he'd almost have to have lacerated her throat from right to left. otherwise he'd have probably cut himself on the leg. has this theory already been hashed out?

Atomic · #28 10-16-2012, 11:40 PM

Entre, to get a reply to this one you may have to directly address people that believe there was an intruder in the first place? They are on here, just maybe not on this thread. Im not trying to dismiss you by any means, I just cant try to think about where someones knee was if I believe that person doesnt exist at all....I hope that makes sense and good luck

CathyR · #29 10-19-2012, 10:41 AM

Other people who saw Darlie in the hospital say they saw bruising beginning to form. I'm not relying on just Mama Darlie, Darin or the nurses . It does take days sometimes for deep bruising to appear. Since the stab wound to the arm went pretty deep and into bone that kind of injury does take days to appear as the body moves the blood from the wound to the surface to promote healing. Regardless of when they appeared the initial injuries were sustained that night. I don't see Darlie needing to further injure herself. Also when could she have done it as family and friends surrounded her and she had very little if any time alone. Since everyone around her was also fearful the sounds she would have had to have made when bruising herself would have aroused the attention of whom ever was with her. You can't hit your arm hard enough to do that and do it soundlessly. The wounds on her fingers are testified to as being defense wounds. I don't think she found it necessary to further her injuries. If you look closely you can actually see some of the bruising starting to appear on her body in that shot of her lying in hospital bed. IMO all her injuries where sustained the night of the murders. The bruising appeared as it normally would.

CathyR · #30 10-19-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EntreNous

i have a few questions as i am just starting to read up on this case. first, if darlie was laying on the couch was her left side facing out or her right side? also, was the laceration on her neck cut from left to right or right to left? the reason i ask is because the bruise was in/on her armpit or underarm area. and if a perpetrator was hovering over her, could he have put his left knee into her armpit to de-mobilize her arm, while stabilizing himself with his right foot on the floor. theoretically, this person could have sat down on darlie's stomach, limiting their choice of target spots. but, for that to work, he'd almost have to have lacerated her throat from right to left. otherwise he'd have probably cut himself on the leg. has this theory already been hashed out?

The bruising in the armpit area is much lighter in color than the area closer to the wound. The bruising is caused by the healing action of the human body. In order to heal the body removes the damaged cells away from the wounded area. These cells are moved toward the surface where they get carried away to be flushed from the body by the kidneys and other organs. The fact that the bruises travel up to her armpit does not indicate she was pinned at the armpit. Especially since the bruising is very light. The closer the area of actual damage the darker the bruise is , there is more concentration of dead cells being moved away from the wound in those area. Kind of like an earthquake and an epicenter. The more severe the building damage is the closer that area was to the center of the quake. The darker the color of bruising the closer it is to the actual wound.

emma l · #31 10-19-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JenniferTx

I have always wondered where Darlie got the cuts on her hands from. The cuts look like they were from her grabbing the knife which I don't understand unless one of the boys had control of the knife at some point and she tried to grab it back from them.

Hi Jennifer- do you mean these cuts?
http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/Evid...its/def_87.jpg

Because to me they look a lot like slipping injuries that people get when they wield a knife. A sort of 'step' effect of cuts happens down their fingers.

Theres an example in a science blog here if you scroll, with photos:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...79073809004423

(I hope its OK to post links)

emma l · #32 10-19-2012, 11:54 AM

Re the bruising, I know it is very difficult to date bruises from my own body. I smacked myself on the corner of a bed a while back. The area was sore but then nothing until about 4 days later when it went black. I actually think the bruises are neither here nor there. They don’t point to innocence or guilt to me. Also some of them are definitely from the IV I would have thought. (sorry if I’m repeating anything already said, its been a long day!)

JodyMT · #33 10-20-2012, 11:33 PM

I would like to say something about the bruises: I saw the evidence photos that were not shown in court where there were terrible bruises all over her arms. However in the silly string video, I did not see those bruises. Wasn't that video taken only 10 days after the murders?

I know everyone heals at different rates, but I know when I had a horrible bruise that took up nearly my entire outer thigh that I received from a fall, it did not go away in 10 days. It was still black and purple 2 weeks later and turned yellow almost a month later.

neesaki · #34 10-21-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JodyMT

I would like to say something about the bruises: I saw the evidence photos that were not shown in court where there were terrible bruises all over her arms. However in the silly string video, I did not see those bruises. Wasn't that video taken only 10 days after the murders?

I know everyone heals at different rates, but I know when I had a horrible bruise that took up nearly my entire outer thigh that I received from a fall, it did not go away in 10 days. It was still black and purple 2 weeks later and turned yellow almost a month later.

I just had a thought: Is there any possibility that the bruises on her arms weren't really bruises? I mean, there are various ways to fake bruising, so I'm just wondering now if LE or a doctor or anyone, checked the bruises to know they weren't' fake.

emma l · #35 10-22-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by neesaki

I just had a thought: Is there any possibility that the bruises on her arms weren't really bruises? I mean, there are various ways to fake bruising, so I'm just wondering now if LE or a doctor or anyone, checked the bruises to know they weren't' fake.

Hi Neesaki

What do you mean by fake? Not sure I understand?

cami · #36 10-23-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JodyMT

I would like to say something about the bruises: I saw the evidence photos that were not shown in court where there were terrible bruises all over her arms. However in the silly string video, I did not see those bruises. Wasn't that video taken only 10 days after the murders?

I know everyone heals at different rates, but I know when I had a horrible bruise that took up nearly my entire outer thigh that I received from a fall, it did not go away in 10 days. It was still black and purple 2 weeks later and turned yellow almost a month later.

They were shown in court, it's right in the trial transcript, they were discussed at length with the medical team in front of the jury and then the jury was handed the photos of the bruised arm.

neesaki · #37 10-24-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by emma l

Hi Neesaki

What do you mean by fake? Not sure I understand?

I have read that fake bruises can be created with dyes. Not saying I think it's probable in this case, just throwing it out there as a possibility.

neesaki · #38 10-24-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by emma l

Hi Neesaki

What do you mean by fake? Not sure I understand?

I have read that fake bruises can be created with inks and dyes. Not saying I think it's probable in this case, just throwing it out there as a possibility.

MrsNicodemus · #39 12-08-2012, 08:36 AM

They just always looked like the result of Warfarin injections to me.Given to anyone who is bedridden for any amount of time,to prevent DVT.I am sure this must have been discussed before though.My arm was like that twice.Once with Warfarin and the second time when I fractured my humerus.Darlie had no broken bones though,so I just feel the former was the case.

neesaki · #40 12-08-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus

They just always looked like the result of Warfarin injections to me.Given to anyone who is bedridden for any amount of time,to prevent DVT.I am sure this must have been discussed before though.My arm was like that twice.Once with Warfarin and the second time when I fractured my humerus.Darlie had no broken bones though,so I just feel the former was the case.

I didn't think she was in bed that long. In my experience, Warfarin is given in cases where the patient is bed bound for extended periods or has a history of blood clots, and after some types of surgeries, especially if the pt. is elderly. I don't know that Darlie would have been a candidate for Warfarin therapy.

Maybe if she had a Heparin lock for other medications, this may cause a little more bruising around the IV site. And if they had to reinsert the IV needle multiple times that may explain some of it as well. I still think it's more likely she self-inflicted some of the bruises after her hospital release. jmo

MrsNicodemus · #41 12-08-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by neesaki

I didn't think she was in bed that long. In my experience, Warfarin is given in cases where the patient is bed bound for extended periods or has a history of blood clots, and after some types of surgeries, especially if the pt. is elderly. I don't know that Darlie would have been a candidate for Warfarin therapy.

Maybe if she had a Heparin lock for other medications, this may cause a little more bruising around the IV site. And if they had to reinsert the IV needle multiple times that may explain some of it as well. I still think it's more likely she self-inflicted some of the bruises after her hospital release. jmo

Actually in the hospital where I used to work,Heparin injections were given to most people ,which does cause bruising.
I agree that it looks self inflicted though,

cami · #42 12-09-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EntreNous

i have a few questions as i am just starting to read up on this case. first, if darlie was laying on the couch was her left side facing out or her right side? also, was the laceration on her neck cut from left to right or right to left? the reason i ask is because the bruise was in/on her armpit or underarm area. and if a perpetrator was hovering over her, could he have put his left knee into her armpit to de-mobilize her arm, while stabilizing himself with his right foot on the floor. theoretically, this person could have sat down on darlie's stomach, limiting their choice of target spots. but, for that to work, he'd almost have to have lacerated her throat from right to left. otherwise he'd have probably cut himself on the leg. has this theory already been hashed out?

Why then can't she remember any of those details if it did happen? Surely she'd remember some guy laying on her. Why can't she remember this guy's face? IMO, Darlie never went to bed that night anyway.