NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

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epochmiss said:
Chemcopout:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read that the calls to melissa's teen sister came from her phone? Like someone had melissa's phone after she disappeared/was reported missing, and used it to harass her family? I could swear that I read that somewhere....
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I read that also, I just couldn't remember which girl it was.
 
chemcopout said:
melissa barthelemy's sister family got calls from someone. it may or may not been the sk.
imo, i honestly think it was a pissed off pimp who had no idea she was dead, and just thought that melissa left him and went back home or took off somewhere.

the calls were made 3 days in july 2009. melissa was last seen july 12, 2009.
she's wasn't found until this past december.

at first i thought it might have been the sk, however if it is he's only harassed melissa's family. so at this point i honestly think it was her pimp, pissed off he's losing money and thinking she dipped out on him.

http://www.metro.us/newyork/local/article/755182--slay-suspect-harassed-victim-s-sister
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I thought about the possibility of an unrelated pimp making the calls too, but doesn't LE believe Melissa had her cell phone with her right before she went missing? And I think her phone was used in Massapequa to check her voicemail that night. I just don't understand how her phone would be on LI the night she went missing then end up with an ex-pimp of hers in Manhattan. Unless I'm missing something.
 
Danica7 said:
didnt the sk call one of the victims families? What if jb called sgs mom and said he was the dr and she stayed with him that night, to implicate someone else...then when the dr was called of course he denied it. I don't see the dr himself making that call if it was true indeed. I just don't think he has anything to do with it. I would be focusing on the shady guy who admits he gets girls off of craigslist since that is how the four disappeared also.
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Hi Danica, Calls were made from Melissa Bartholemy's phone proclaiming to her family members that Melissa is a *advertiser censored*. I left that awful word in as it was evidently the point of the message. Then with the call to Shannan's mom which they said was so odd as to how did this person get her #. Two out of 9 phones used like this is so telling IMO.

Do you think each of these gals in LI had a cellie? I wonder if any of them were recovered by LE?
 
epochmiss said:
Chemcopout:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read that the calls to melissa's teen sister came from her phone? Like someone had melissa's phone after she disappeared/was reported missing, and used it to harass her family? I could swear that I read that somewhere....
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epochmiss, your right on target =) the caller did use melissa's cell phone for that. the phone was later picked up after a pimp fight? i may have got the details messed up. i know some calls were traced to the times square, madison square garden, and midtown manhattan.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/crime/killer-may-have-used-Barthelemys-phone

also i just wanted to add that i've heard the term "party" before in reference to cocaine, however in the context it was used i don't think jb or the driver would be admitting to having a white nose. if jb were to do a drug, i could see it being coke or pills more than any other drug. (just imo)

at first we hear sg was at a party at jb's. yet who made up the members of the party? how many were there? was it a party of 2 and the third being the driver in his car?
so many unanswered questions...
 
svpernin said:
I thought about the possibility of an unrelated pimp making the calls too, but doesn't LE believe Melissa had her cell phone with her right before she went missing? And I think her phone was used in Massapequa to check her voicemail that night. I just don't understand how her phone would be on LI the night she went missing then end up with an ex-pimp of hers in Manhattan. Unless I'm missing something.
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svpernin, the only thing i could think of is if she had 2 different phones.
one for work only, and the other for family/friends. with burners being so cheap nowadays, its very possible she kept one for work only. a lot of this whole case is so confusing as the media gives all these different details out.
 
Could whoever posted that map of Oak Beach with the street names and showing where JB's house was please repost it. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack here. Thanks ;}
 
epochmiss said:
It's too coincidental. I'm not sure how other women feel about men, but even I- with my brief few weeks escorting long ago, and being around that kind of horrid man- do not believe that men who solicit girls off of craigslist (or anywhere, for that matter) are all too common. I more than some should feel that they are common and that most men are pigs, that the soliciters are all around us- but I do not. I think it's pretty uncommon. Maybe a few, ten, twenty, per town, per area. (Cities, of course, densely populated areas, far more.) The dead women were all CL escorts, as was SG. I think the focus should be on johns, or associates, of CL escorts, and how many of them live relatively near the dumping ground, that desolate, isolated stretch of land? I mean, really? I don't think LE is playing their cards so close to their collective chest for nothing. I wish I could come up with more. This is one of the most boggling cases, so full of serendipity and odd twists...
Thank you for your post. :)
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So how do we find those John's? They call a girl who advertises, right, and don't place ads themselves. I really don't know how it works.
 
chemcopout said:
melissa barthelemy's sister family got calls from someone. it may or may not been the sk.
imo, i honestly think it was a pissed off pimp who had no idea she was dead, and just thought that melissa left him and went back home or took off somewhere.

the calls were made 3 days in july 2009. melissa was last seen july 12, 2009.
she's wasn't found until this past december.

at first i thought it might have been the sk, however if it is he's only harassed melissa's family. so at this point i honestly think it was her pimp, pissed off he's losing money and thinking she dipped out on him.

http://www.metro.us/newyork/local/article/755182--slay-suspect-harassed-victim-s-sister
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I don't think it was her pimp. The caller called M's sister 6x from Melissa's cell phone between late July and August 2009 according to this snip from Newsday on January 26:

On six occasions, an unidentified man police believe was involved in the death of Melissa Barthelemy, 24, used her cell phone to dial her sister, Amanda, between late July and Aug. 26, 2009, said...

SNIPPED
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/family-man-called-6-times-from-victim-s-cell-1.2642589
 
ny post today's paper says they have a suspect yet they aren't naming him of course.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cops_li_killer_is_in_our_sights_TPxYTqoOO6yAXXJbTQT1SN
"Police believe they know the identity of the Long Island Ripper, The Post has learned.

Cops on Long Island are "looking at somebody," said a law-enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation.

He refused to elaborate."




http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20052096-504083.html


imo jb and the driver look shady. the search narrowed to jb's backyard practicly. they sure have their cards to their chest.
 
chemcopout said:
the way things went down that night are too coincidental for me, so i agree with those who agree with that =)

shannon was in fear for her life, she knows someone is after her and wants to kill her. if i were her what would i do?
she's not sure who it is, supposedly she calls 911 from jb's. yet she leaves and runs away from jb's house when jb calls the driver in.

she tries to find someone else who can help her.
she goes to gc's house and he does open the door and offer to wait with her and call 911. now if you have a psychokiller after you and are in a house with the only thing between you and the maniac being an older gentleman, then i think shannon choose flight over fight again. i can't say i wouldn't have done the same.

she runs again from gc's house off into the weeds. soon afterwards, gc stops the suspicious looking driver, who's crawling in the suv, opening the door and looking.
gc has to ask the asian driver of the suv if he can help him.
the driver didn't ask gc if he saw shannon.

this in itself is weird. if the driver was going to say shannon was upset and left a party, why not just ask gc that off the bat? why wait for gc to question him? maybe the driver didn't expect gc to be outside at that time of night? also why not call out for shannon by her name instead of hunting her like some stealthy dude going 2 miles per house in an suv stopping opening the car door, looking around, then repeating the pattern.

odd.



gc has no reason to lie. however he does slip up when he says "they" after qouting shannon saying "they're after me". so i think le probably coached him on interviews and it was a slight was all. he wasn't supposed to use the word "they" as in plural.
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I am in 100 percent agreement with the first part but lets flip it, your scared of something or someone you go with what you know what's safe the way you got where you are, that's the Driver. There is no reason other then Chemical, Drugs or Mental that would scare you away from what you know to be safe. So what does that leave us with? Either someone is not telling the truth, we don't know the truth that's really it. Nothing else can explain why she would not leave with the person she came with. IMO
 
is that a big parking lot off to the left of the fairway?
 
Thanks as always MrsG, It looks like it would be quite a ways for Shannan to run over to Anchor Way as it is on the far east side of that development.
 
scandi said:
Could whoever posted that map of Oak Beach with the street names and showing where JB's house was please repost it. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack here. Thanks ;}
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Not sure which map you're referring to, but here's the link to a google map with JB's house flagged: [ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&aq=3&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.582079,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+Suffolk,+New+York+11702&t=h&z=17"]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&aq=3&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.582079,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+Suffolk,+New+York+11702&t=h&z=17[/ame]
 
RIGHTEOUS1 said:
I am in 100 percent agreement with the first part but lets flip it, your scared of something or someone you go with what you know what's safe the way you got where you are, that's the Driver. There is no reason other then Chemical, Drugs or Mental that would scare you away from what you know to be safe. So what does that leave us with? Either someone is not telling the truth, we don't know the truth that's really it. Nothing else can explain why she would not leave with the person she came with. IMO
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fear.
shannon at that point was afraid of the driver also. all we have is the driver's side of the story that says everything to make shannon sound bad. she was on drugs, delusional, irrational. pretty much to give discredits to shannon. how did the driver know she was on drugs at that time? did he give her some?

it's all so odd.. i'm not sure whether to think the driver and jb incahoots or what at this point.
the driver sure has acted odd, not to mention we've hardly heard a peep out of him through all this. if he is so innocent he'd say something at least a r.i.p. type thing.
either the driver is a witness or something worse
 
Verity said:
Not sure which map you're referring to, but here's the link to a google map with JB's house flagged: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&aq=3&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.582079,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+Suffolk,+New+York+11702&t=h&z=17
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Thanks Verity, It doesn't look like JB's house is a waterfront lot. He may have an easement to the bay however. Just wondering which direction Shannan ran before she was grabbed.
 
That's right, Scandi. It is referred to as OBI still today, as if the inn were still there.
That's where all of the wonderful police and firefighter volunteers and their equipment have been camped out.

Media, too. :/
 
earlier someone had mentioned why would the killer change his mo from if he is one and the same who killed in ac?

he perfected his mo by making the victims harder to identify by removing all personal effects.

imo, i'm thinking the farther he can distance himself from anyone who's seen the girls, and thus him.
putting the possibility forth that he could potentially have come into contact with other witnesses who may know the girl, and would be able to say or remember who they were with last, what they were doing.

putting time in between gives witnesses the chance to forget, and forget details. this the killer might think works in his favor.
 
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