GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #6

passionflower said:

finishstrong..........welcome and thanks!!!

For timeline :

December 2 at 9:30 p.m., Tina wrote "If I should die before I wake, God Bless my friends. May I be remembered for my good heart and hopeless romantic ways"

December 3 about 1:30 p.m. Tina wrote, "God, please protect us from the evils of this world

Tina murdered day time Dec 3rd (after 1:30pm/8pm)??????

JE/BS seen Walmart shopping 8-8:30 pm Friday night Dec.3rd

Friday night Dec 3rd or early morning of Dec 4th JE/BS on way to CA.

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That's how I envisioned it. Between 1:30 and 8 PM for her death. IIRC too, they went to the ATM at the bank before they went to WM. Giving Lavinder thinks someone helped them, maybe he knows that for fact and they could have stayed with that person(s) for a time before they left; but I can't imagine someone committing murder and then being able to sleep until absolutely exhausted. I tend to think he drove and drove and pulled over somewhere later, if not driving straight through. Curious if they took I40 or took a more southern route. Even taking 40 they might have run into bad weather. ??

OMG...Has everyone seen this? Explain this to me: Going back to BS calling herself Brittney Easley instead of Brittney Mae Smith. Here she has posted a comment on her Brother's memorial page on June 27 and she was using the Easley name back then. My understanding was that JE met TS in the Summer and moved in October. This post on FB tells me that JE knew BS back in June..OMG what a predator, he very well could have created a relationship with TS simply to get close to BS..

SHOCKING STUFF...jmo

Brittany Easley i miss yu sooooo muchh bubbaa

June 27 at 3:22pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115192928023&v=wall

pharsin said:

OMG...Has everyone seen this? Explain this to me: Going back to BS calling herself Brittney Easley instead of Brittney Mae Smith. Here she has posted a comment on her Brother's memorial page on June 27 and she was using the Easley name back then. My understanding was that JE met TS in the Summer and moved in October. This post on FB tells me that JE knew BS back in June..OMG what a predator, he very well could have created a relationship with TS simply to get close to BS..

SHOCKING STUFF...jmo

Brittany Easley i miss yu sooooo muchh bubbaa

June 27 at 3:22pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115192928023&v=wall

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Here's what erks me the most. Brittany's fb and myspace messages were 'screaming out for help'. She even changed her name to his and pictures with him and ily and hcb to him. UH, why did it take something like this for the relatives to say 'what a second, why is she posting this stuff?' Why did not one of her friends say 'uh, Brittany, this is not right, this guy is not right.' It would be one thing if this had been totally secret however, that doesn't seem to be the case. Did no one in her family not see the fb posts about him. She was screaming out for help, someone, anyone, she was looking for some guidance, from anyone. That's the sad part. Just my opinion but I place all the blame on those left that did nothing until it was way too late. I'm not going to say much about Tina, she's paid the ultimate price and her state of mind is unknown to me however every one of her friends that has been interviewed has talked about how sweet and nice she was to everyone. I want to believe that she had major blinders up and saw what was taking place as just innocent fun between her daughter and boyfriend, probably never imagining that he would take it to the level he did.

pharsin said:

OMG...Has everyone seen this? Explain this to me: Going back to BS calling herself Brittney Easley instead of Brittney Mae Smith. Here she has posted a comment on her Brother's memorial page on June 27 and she was using the Easley name back then. My understanding was that JE met TS in the Summer and moved in October. This post on FB tells me that JE knew BS back in June..OMG what a predator, he very well could have created a relationship with TS simply to get close to BS..

SHOCKING STUFF...jmo

Brittany Easley i miss yu sooooo muchh bubbaa

June 27 at 3:22pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115192928023&v=wall

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When you change your name on FB, it changes it everywhere. Even for all past postings.

sam24 said:

Here's what erks me the most. Brittany's fb and myspace messages were 'screaming out for help'. She even changed her name to his and pictures with him and ily and hcb to him. UH, why did it take something like this for the relatives to say 'what a second, why is she posting this stuff?' Why did not one of her friends say 'uh, Brittany, this is not right, this guy is not right.' It would be one thing if this had been totally secret however, that doesn't seem to be the case. Did no one in her family not see the fb posts about him. She was screaming out for help, someone, anyone, she was looking for some guidance, from anyone. That's the sad part. Just my opinion but I place all the blame on those left that did nothing until it was way too late. I'm not going to say much about Tina, she's paid the ultimate price and her state of mind is unknown to me however every one of her friends that has been interviewed has talked about how sweet and nice she was to everyone. I want to believe that she had major blinders up and saw what was taking place as just innocent fun between her daughter and boyfriend, probably never imagining that he would take it to the level he did.

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I'm not sure if that was the case. I do think her friends and even her mother had something to say about it. Some of their messages on MS seemed strained. Her mother complained about the things going on around her. I think her mother was a bit of a pushover (possibly because of losing her son). She didn't like what she was seeing, and maybe JE and BS even laughed it off and said she was crazy.

pharsin said:

OMG...Has everyone seen this? Explain this to me: Going back to BS calling herself Brittney Easley instead of Brittney Mae Smith. Here she has posted a comment on her Brother's memorial page on June 27 and she was using the Easley name back then. My understanding was that JE met TS in the Summer and moved in October. This post on FB tells me that JE knew BS back in June..OMG what a predator, he very well could have created a relationship with TS simply to get close to BS..

SHOCKING STUFF...jmo

Brittany Easley i miss yu sooooo muchh bubbaa

June 27 at 3:22pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115192928023&v=wall

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When you change your FB name or profile picture it changes to your "new" name or profile picture all the way back on every wall post you have ever made...

passionflower said:

I agree but right now we have to treat her as a VICTIM according to WS TOS.........

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I really think they have a psychologist involved in questioning her and they would be able to ascertain if she would be in the state of mind to run away or disappear again shortly after going back....along with thoughts to LE of her role in this. jmo

sam24 said:

I do not think they spent the night at Tina's house. My mind will not even go there. I think he would think that would be too risky...(snipped)...

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I agree. I think that when LE said Friday evening/Sat morning, they meant really early Sat morning. My guess is that BS has given them some kind of timeline, and she may just remember "it was still dark" or something to that effect.

Actually, now I'm thinking that TS may have not been killed at that point. I think they would have gotten the hell outta dodge afterwards. If they had left soon after Wal-Mart, I think BS's timeline would be more clear... so perhaps there was a confrontation later? AFTER Wal-Mart? Just thinking out loud here.

hollyblue said:

I really think they have a psychologist involved in questioning her and they would be able to ascertain if she would be in the state of mind to run away or disappear again shortly after going back....along with thoughts to LE of her role in this. jmo

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BBM

I had not thought of that... I think you may be right. Especially after losing her brother, and now her mother. Even if she had nothing to do with her mother's death, she may feel guilty b/c JE probably killed TS so that he could be with her. I think BS has a LOT to deal with right now - and they probably want to make sure she's stays 'safe' right now.

pharsin said:

OMG...Has everyone seen this? Explain this to me: Going back to BS calling herself Brittney Easley instead of Brittney Mae Smith. Here she has posted a comment on her Brother's memorial page on June 27 and she was using the Easley name back then. My understanding was that JE met TS in the Summer and moved in October. This post on FB tells me that JE knew BS back in June..OMG what a predator, he very well could have created a relationship with TS simply to get close to BS..

SHOCKING STUFF...jmo

Brittany Easley i miss yu sooooo muchh bubbaa

June 27 at 3:22pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115192928023&v=wall

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What is shocking? her saying she missed her brother sooooooooooo much, that is pretty normal to me.That is who she posted to .........her brother

mikeysmommom said:

What is shocking? her saying she missed her brother sooooooooooo much, that is pretty normal to me.That is who she posted to .........her brother

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I think pharsin is just saying that BS was using the name Easley back in June, before her mom supposedly met JE in July... Is that right?

Japandaaa said:

Whenever I see what her statuses said, it creeps me out. It's like she knew what was going to happen.

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Makes you wonder why she didn't call someone for help? Gives me the shivers to think what kind of terrorism....and it is that....that he put her through. I have to say, I do wonder what her reaction to the family was when told about CPS. Was she furious with them for meddling..or just frightened out of her gourd how to get JE out of the house? I guess the neighbors didn't hear any arguing or fighting that Thursday or Friday? Also curious if other family members has access to any of their social sites.

hollyblue said:

That's how I envisioned it. Between 1:30 and 8 PM for her death. IIRC too, they went to the ATM at the bank before they went to WM. Giving Lavinder thinks someone helped them, maybe he knows that for fact and they could have stayed with that person(s) for a time before they left; but I can't imagine someone committing murder and then being able to sleep until absolutely exhausted. I tend to think he drove and drove and pulled over somewhere later, if not driving straight through. Curious if they took I40 or took a more southern route. Even taking 40 they might have run into bad weather. ??

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Leaving out of Salem, I'd say they took I-40. Takes you straight through TN, AK, OK, TX, NM, then CA, almost a straight shot to SF. They would have been able to stay on that road all the way across. That weekend had lots of snow further north (I-70) too.

sam24 said:

IMO, I think she confronted him that thursday night or early friday morning with what the relatives had said and started questioning him. I read somewhere that she and Brittany were seen shopping friday morning. I guess she kept her out of school that day. Why? Did she feel there could be trouble brewing? Did she think he might try to get Brittany out of school Friday?

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Agree. I posted earlier thoughts on her confronting him Thursday night and maybe they were up all night...along with Britt and either she was allowed to stay home because of no sleep or Tina did have concerns for her safety. Maybe he left when they went shopping and then called with the "my car broke down theory" to get access to them again....or he could have stayed home and slept, or started rummaging thru everything seeing what he could take with him. ??? So many scenarios at this point. :banghead:

Cazzie said:

In one of the articles this weekend, it was said that each of the 4 VA detectives are assigned to a specific area of the investigation.

Even since Lavinder said that 4 detectives were going to CA and would bring BS and LE back, I was hoping that at least one of them is female (and/or a female child advocate would accompany them). I just think that under the circumstances of the kidnapping and BS's mother's murder, it could be very scary/intimidating for BS to have 4 male detectives and no female LE/advocate escorting her back. JMHO.

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There was a female investigator along. It's in one of the videos posted back a page or two.

Bee Happy said:

I thought her MS posting was much later on Friday? The one about looking forward from now on. I'll have to wait until my son gives me my ipod back to check.

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There was a post on MS saying that on Dec 2nd. (Thursday), but the FB had the other info.

ETA: Link http://www.myspace.com/tinaldyer/stream

I suspect in coming days when the joy that Brittnay is safe there will be some who's mind wonders of all possibilities.. is her involvement in this.

I believe, acutally I know she was groomed by him. A man knows it is wrong to have a relationship such as what he did or intended with a 12 year old. He gained her trust..and while gaining trust predators also include putting fear into the victem. The truth is distorted, things get very confusing but after a bit what seemed UNORMAL seems NORMAL.. brainwashing, yes to some extent. To make a person believe what you want them to believe and have them live by it, feel it, obey or go along with it.. adds up to brainwashing and to do that to a 12 year old girl who is looking for acceptance, to be grown up, to perhaps have attention from boys.. he convinces her that love is love and age is no barrier for LOVE.. she buys into it.. not hard to do.. how many of us women believed a two timing liar and honestly believed him until we even as a grown woman or man realized the lies... it take a while. A mind is a very easy thing to minupliate by those who mindset is to accomplish a selfish deed for themself.

I think that FBI and LE at all levels are dictating what happens including the her relatives coming to get or accompany her back. I would think that they MAY conclude that she would become emotional, perhaps guilty, feel as if they are disapointed or she may just feel overwhelmed with love and just want to block it all out.. I think it is a good idea for cps/fbi and official persons handle this. They know what they are doing.. they need this little girl as fit as she can be to live a happy life and BE A WITNESS for them.. they are treating this a delicate as they can and for good reason. The family knows she is safe.. speaking to them on the phone and probally being directed by LE as to what the family should and shouldnt say.

The cps and forensic interview and fbi all interviews with the child are done at a slow pace, a formulated proven technique, limited on questions asked.. a question asked is considered at times leading question even when it is not.. even the voice inflection the defense will try and use.

i hope everyone keeps in mind she is a child and regardless if she went willingly.. she was used by this man over a period of time as part of a horrible plan on his part

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Don't forget about the Stockholm Syndrome (think Patti Hearst), where an abductee develops an affiliation with the abductor as they are so dependent upon them for everything they get (food, drink, shelter, companionship).

Many victims are too afraid to try to escape, out of fear for their own safety or their loved ones (abductor/abuser made threats to harm them).

Bee Happy said:

I thought her MS posting was much later on Friday? The one about looking forward from now on. I'll have to wait until my son gives me my ipod back to check.

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Found it:

http://www.myspace.com/tinaldyer