CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

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He also went to dinner with her and his brother that night. I am learning a lot tonight!!

Her last supper on earth, with the Brothers Shacknai. Anyone talk to the wait staff there? It seems a rather notable event. Were there any indications of her demeanor, or the brothers'? 6 hours later she supposedly received a grim voice mail from JS and within another hour or two she was dead.
 
Her last supper on earth, with the Brothers Shacknai. Anyone talk to the wait staff there? It seems a rather notable event. Were there any indications of her demeanor, or the brothers'? 6 hours later she supposedly received a grim voice mail from JS and within another hour or two she was dead.

Indeed! What do you think?
 
Because when any case comes into a hospital that is not clear cut, say an accident, possible homicide or suicide the Emergency Department must notify hospital CEO's and they in turn notify legal counsel, they are always on the alert for any legal situation whether it involves the hospital, treatment or otherwise...they are informed. I'm not saying they would or could deny the parents access to records.but they would be on alert. They would have informed staff how to handle any request for viewing of records.

Well, since JS happens to be a pharma big wig, and also an attorney, and Dina a clinical psychologist, they might have been given some deference in viewing the records.

Btw, just throwing in a DS professional bio:

http://www.melmedcenter.com/drshacknai

Dina Shacknai, PsyD
Dr. Dina Shacknai, is a graduate of Argosy University where she earned a Doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology. She has specialized training working with children and their families and has worked at the Melmed Center conducting evaluations, providing treatment for children and adolescents, writing curricula, and facilitating social skills groups for children with developmental disabilities.

Dr. Shacknai has a particular interest in the relationship between ADHD symptoms and temperament traits and is completing her doctoral dissertation on the topic, while collaborating with a psychologist in the community to develop a temperament questionnaire for use with an adolescent population.

more,

http://www.melmedcenter.com/psychologists
 
I expressed my opinion after reading the AR and comparing it to the illustration of Max's accident. A poster on this forum who is an insider has also said DS believes her son was smothered. That would be a crime.

JMO

I believe both Dina and the Z family are wanting different answers than what LE has determined to be the case in order to appease their grief.

I really don't find that abnormal either for either side. Sometimes the truth is just too brutal to digest.

Because Dina doesn't understand how Max' accident could have happened she looks for something that is more explainable to her. The same goes for Rebecca's family concerning her suicide.

It is just a common reaction to want to deny how something happened. Yet denying something happened a certain way doesn't ever mean it didn't happen just as LE has said.

IMO
 
What's hinky for the goose is hinky for the gander, I guess. Oh, Dominick Dunne would've been in his element writing about this one.......

You said it! Dominick Dunne is somewhere in the great beyond, literally foaming at the mouth over this case!
 
Originally Posted by deanna82437


This is seemingly a screen cap taken from the morning RZN died. Her form is visible on the ground, but the rope is not hanging from the balcony, nor is the door open.

Here is the description from Detective Tsuida, who arrived at 714PM with the Medical Examiner, Dr Lucas:

On 7/13/11, at 1914 hours, I arrived....Dr Lucas and I were escorted to the back of the residence...I noted a naked female body....A rope was hanging from the second story balcony.

So where was the rope when the helicopters were doing their flyovers earlier in the day? Why would the rope be removed, then replaced? They had no qualms about leaving the victim out where she could be seen.

https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/xJBccc

"Investigators used a search warrant WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON to enter the property to finish their probe. They said the woman died "violently."
(quote from one of the many articles .. sorry no link)

This means that LE entered the property with the search warrant in the AFTERNOON -- helicopters flew over in the morning. Still trying to find out a definite time they did. My guess would be that without a search warrant they would not have had access to interior balcony and crime scene guest room. So they (supposedly) could not have messed with the rope at that time.

Does anyone know precisely what time the search warrant was issued?

So Dr. Lucas arrived at 1914 hours (7:14pm) and there was a rope. ALL very hinky!
 
Deanna, it doesn't sound very plausible that the rope was moved by LE that morning, or that they closed the balcony doors.

The fact that they waited for search warrants, instead of asking JS permission to enter the residence says something to me imho.

Do you have any theories on what happened?
 
I didn't say she closed the doors... only that we have no idea what the scene truly looked like since we don't have the photos. All we have are a few screen caps from the heli's. As for the rope expert, is he kidding? There was a re-enactment done and that lady had no problem doing it. I had no problem doing it was well... I tried it after Beli(?) suggested it. It wasn't difficult. I used a thicker white tow rope that we happened to have here because my daughter stole it from the boat thinking she was going to hang a tire from a tree.

I think everyone got spoiled during the Anthony case and are accustomed to seeing every little word & picture and that just isn't the norm. What we have here is the norm, and unfortunately that is leading to accusations of shady police work, scene staging, cover ups, pay offs, etc... just because we, Joe Public, don't have every little detail in both of these deaths. IMO we're not entitled to them, especially if this was a suicide.

Like I said last night, I totally understand why her family doesn't want to accept it. They should get an independent opinion and not all these talking heads that haven't seen any more than we have seen. All these experts weighing in are only for their 15 minutes, IMO and only delaying their grieving process no matter which way this turns out if an independent opinion is done.

When Chris killed himself, LE wouldn't even let me see the police report right away because I was hysterical! It took almost a month before he finally sent it to me and for that I am grateful. The main Detective who dealt with me handled me with kid gloves and didn't give me all the information about the scene because he didn't want to upset me. I called him constantly all day every day until I went to Chicago and saw my brothers body and finally met the Detective. When I asked specific questions, he'd answer them... but he didn't offer the horrors of what he saw. The ME wouldn't let me see the body while in the morgue because he said it would be too traumatic. He died on a Wednesday and I finally got to see him on a Sunday after the ME released him to the Cremation place.... that entire time I was in denial that it was even my brother they found. I just knew it had to be a bum that stole his ID. So I get why LE isn't releasing every little thing to the public, and IMO they did show sympathy towards Rebecca's family. Suicide is a hard thing to accept (as is murder!).


Thank you!!
 
..this is really blurry but-----it's taken from the news video flyover, you can faintly make out the rope hanging from the balcony..


ropeonbalconyvideo4-1.jpg
 
https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/xJBccc

"Investigators used a search warrant WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON to enter the property to finish their probe. They said the woman died "violently."
(quote from one of the many articles .. sorry no link)

This means that LE entered the property with the search warrant in the AFTERNOON -- helicopters flew over in the morning. Still trying to find out a definite time they did. My guess would be that without a search warrant they would not have had access to interior balcony and crime scene guest room. So they (supposedly) could not have messed with the rope at that time.

Does anyone know precisely what time the search warrant was issued?

So Dr. Lucas arrived at 1914 hours (7:14pm) and there was a rope. ALL very hinky!

I read somewhere (forgive me for I don't know where after so many links have been put up) that the helicopter swooped over around 2 pm.

I do remember LE putting up crime scene tape in front of the house to keep the onlookers away from the front of the mansion but I do not think they would even enter the mansion or the back courtyard without a search warrant first..especially since they were now doing a death investigation. It is a different situation once the detectives are on scene investigating a death from the EMTs first being there to render aide.

Even when the homeowner gives them permission to search LE often times do not go ahead and do this. It makes it much simpler if a SW is gotten from a Judge so that any potential evidence can be removed legally under the direction of the Judge who signed the SW.

If the homeowner just gives their word then if the case ever landed in a criminal court the person's attorney would file a motion to have the evidence that was taken......suppressed... because an official SW wasn't in place.

Also with SWs it protects LE from the homeowner saying they took something irrelevant or damaged something valuable. With a SW an inventory list is given to the homeowner of everything taken from their home. The homeowner cannot later come back and accuse LE of taking something not listed on the inventory list since the homeowner is given a copy of the inventory list.
 
..does anyone have the link to the rope binding recreation video? tia..
 
I read somewhere (forgive me for I don't know where after so many links have been put up) that the helicopter swooped over around 2 pm.

I do remember LE putting up crime scene in front of the house to keep the onlookers away from the front of the mansion but I do not think they would even enter the mansion or the back courtyard without a search warrant first..especially since they were now doing a death investigation. It is a different situation once the detectives are on scene investigating a death from the EMTs first being there to render aide.

Even when the homeowner gives them permission to search LE often times do not go ahead and do this. It makes it much simpler if a SW is gotten from a Judge so that any potential evidence can be removed legally.

If the homeowner just gives their word then if the case ever landed in a criminal court the person's attorney would file a motion to have the evidence that was taken......suppressed... because an official SW wasn't in place.

Also with SWs it protects LE from the homeowner saying they took something irrelevant or damaged something valuable. With a SW an inventory list is given to the homeowner of everything taken from their home. The homeowner cannot later come back and accuse LE of taking something not listed on the inventory list since the homeowner is given a copy of the inventory list.

BBM
The referenced video pic was from the morning newscast which would indicate that it was taken in the A.M. I believe it was either a weather spotter or traffic spotter helicopter, which seems logical it would be before the morning rush hour? I don't know, just using common sense, I think. :waitasec:
 
..this is really blurry but-----it's taken from the news video flyover, you can faintly make out the rope hanging from the balcony..


ropeonbalconyvideo4-1.jpg

I thought in earlier threads, where some sleuthers had more pictures and different views, the 'rope' turned out to be the middle balcony support or from the folliage inder the balcony?:waitasec:
 
You said it! Dominick Dunne is somewhere in the great beyond, literally foaming at the mouth over this case!

I hope some of the other great detectives we have in this world will get behind this. They will interview everyone. They will look at the reports and notice if things were left out and ask questions. They will double check people's accounts of what happened. It never hurts to double check anyone's work or everyone's story. Once we have answers to our questions, we will learn and hopefully all will become clear.
 
Yes, the 'rope' was variously identified as the balcony support, a palm frond, a cactus...but it actually was a rope!

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208...acknai-nalepa-spreckes-mansion-suicide-bo.htm

The photo shown has one door open, unlike the helicopter images with both doors closed. Access to the home had already been gained.

From later on in the article, this statement really surprised me:

"Authorities did not find any other fingerprints on the materials besides Rebecca's, but the Zahau family's lawyer, Anne Bremner, objected to this segment of the investigation, arguing that Jonah Shacknai's fingerprints were not collected and should have been."


How is that even possible? It would have been vital to the investigation to have JS' fingerprints for comparison. I'm stunned! Perhaps it is a mistake on her part?
 
..does anyone have the link to the rope binding recreation video? tia..

[ame="http://vimeo.com/28515690"]Rope Demonstration - Front View on Vimeo[/ame] This link was included in the article link from Morag upthread. I think it can be found on the SD Sheriff's site too.
 
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