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Mozzmo said:
IMO culture has not kept up with technological advances. One can find anything they want on the web and if the person is bent on viewing the most depraved human behaviors they have easy access with a computer/laptop or cellphone in the privacy of their own home. With the stroke of a few keys one can read about killing in depth, access websites dedicated to serial killers and their crimes, view actual crime scene photographs, and view videos of every which way a human can be killed/violated/disrespected and disposed of. They can even see how different cultures have legal killings/disfigurements (hangings, beheadings, amputations..etc) for behaviors/circumstances ("crimes") that could very well be considered legal in their own country. They can view killing/assaults based on all types of prejudices whether it be women in Afghanistan, gays in Iran, or racial lynchings in America (eg. recent teens in Jackson, MS that assaulted, ran over and killed a black man because he was black).

I don't believe LM's murder was a spur of the moment thing. I think he fantasized about killing for a long time. Even if Lin Jun is the one human he murdered, he demonstrated a typical escalation often observed with the killing of animals first. IMO LM was an internet addict. He lived there or at least the obscene and often disjointed patchwork persona he created came to life there. It's pretty clear he spent hours and hours reading about killers and their crimes. The breath and depth of the information so readily available surely stoked his fantasies. Clearly he knew of gore websites and likely spent hours filling his mind with the visuals of mankind's darkest capabilities. How could this not influence him, might it even encourage a psychopath to act on their depraved impulses? I'm not justifying any murder's choices. I am simply saying that a partial contributer to crime, is the degree that each of us feeds the dark beast within us. If the web offers a bottomless pantry of ghastly entrees, then it seems we have to be prepared to deal with the results of those who are "at risk" and the outcomes of their binge eating...

(Oh...and just to be clear...this post is NOT suggesting that this perspective should/could be used as any part of a defense for LM.)
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I thoroughly agree. It's really terrifying to see the people who frequent those sites and the things they say. God only knows what they do. I don't doubt for a second that we are going to see more of what I consider to be third world mentality crimes. Pretty ironic, eh?
 
CARIIS said:
This post was in response to the wildly prevalent notion observed here, that because he is a pathological liar (Hallmark of the mental illness Narcissistic personality disorder!)

It defeats his false image – there is no reason to make all that negative stuff up!
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One could make very negative stuff up to garner sympathy or blaming others for one's own shortcomings. For instance, my Dad beat me and my mother left when I was two and my grandmother made me do this or that.....But I rose above it all and now I'm rich and famous and pretty. It's a pathetic lie to show how far you've come...like a true survivor.

I'm just making a point. It's hard not to believe there is something disturbing in his past, but I don't think you can trust any of his postings unfortunately and there just isn't enough proof to say it is for sure. Not everyone who was abused turns out to be a psychopath, just as not ever psychopath was abused, although I would guess more psychopath's ware abused than not.
 
CARIIS said:
(snip)Then ask yourself, do the above describe LM (IMO to the t) then it reasonable to conclude that LM suffered with BDD/NPD.
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I can't diagnose him because I'm not a professional, lol :) but from what I read online he is the poster child of NPD, possibly malignant narcissism. That in itself is enough to commit such an horrible crime (IMO). Also I suspect that his mind deteriorated in the last years, something definitely happened along the way, even before the cat killings you could see that something was off.
Maybe his childhood, chosen lifestyle, possibly some drug abuse, lack of family support and no real social interation (meeting prostitution clients is business not friendship, living in the cyberworld 24hours looking for negative attention isn't healthy either) all that combined made a lethal combination. I think he was an accident waiting to happen.

Btw, I don't think he has BDD! I think that in the past he thought he was very good looking and was worried about some flaws like hairloss and he just wanted to improve his looks but nothing really major. He wasn't afraid of exposing himself either and people with BDD are very self conscious. IMHO he actually thought that he deserved more, he probably became very upset that in despite of being 'so gorgeous', he was constantly rejected in several auditions and he never reached the famous *advertiser censored* star or supermodel level he dreamt of. And now at 29, he knows that he lost his chance. I thought it was very telling that he wrote "Beauty fades, evil is forever." last 25thMay.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ed*-ac-a0028.htm"&cd=1&hl=pt-BR&ct=clnk&gl=br
 
Donyale said:
I think he was an innovator (pioneer?) in promoting and distributing a murder in the mainstream in such a smart way that it crossed the gore websites boundaries and became known around the world.

But to me (MY OPINION) he did copycat the way of killing from fictional and real serial killers and didn't really add much of his own (except the dog). There are just too many movies references in the killvid, I've read gore fans saying that he acted mechanical almost like following some script (I didn't watch the movie but read the graphic description) and that he could have killed using another tool, add another soundtrack, could have discharged the body in another manner etc.

The external influence is so massive that I think he could totally use in his defense the old excuse of 'movies made me do it', as crazy as it sounds it would make more sense to me that he believed he was Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct or American Psycho and the Hannibal series than murdering just for notoriety because he is possibly malignant narcissist (or at least have narcissist personality disorder). JMHO!!!

other crimes inspired by movies
http://brainz.org/15-films-inspired-real-life-crimes/
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/movies_made_me_kill/5.html
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Yeah agreed, but the point I was trying to make is that all serial killers are copycats to some extent, something inspires them to do what they do. With LM it is simply more evident because he used pop culture gore and music and the Internet..and that was his inspiration for his method of madness and we're all very familiar with those things; we've seen one or two of the movies/shows.

What inspired Bundy and his methods? I dunno, because it wasn't paltered all over the Internet.

Has the "movies made me do it" ever been a successful defense?
 
I thought it was very telling that he wrote "Beauty fades, evil is forever." last 25thMay.
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I agree. An appropriate quote from him that is very likely one of his personal truths. How frustrated, disenchanted and baffled at the world he must have been when despite multiple cosmetic surgeries (alledgedly) he could not enhance his looks enough to lasso in the adulation he demanded and felt so entitled to. How increasingly desperate he must have felt as he continually blugeoned his self-esteem, self-respect, and identity....day after day and year after year....with every stripping tip, low grade *advertiser censored*, and grandfather-like john that he let roll on top of him. How allergic to his own skin he must have felt after allowing so many predatory hands molest him for his next meal. No designer clothing could cloak the true disgust he must have felt. How tortured is any beauty you might possess when you allow others to enact unbridled disrespect upon your body and soul. Would that beauty not fade? I believe so. Perhaps LM has to blame life's natural process of physical aging as a reason to turn to evil, but I believe it was in part the own evil he imparted upon himself that took a damaged child and incarnated him into a vulgar monster.
 
F U N N Y
taking risk of getting in trouble off task talk radio doing question
If you propose and she says no do you still date her Funny
 
No_Stone_Unturned said:
NO! The trial will NOT be about mental illness. It will be about (to add to ~n/t~'s list):

- diabolical behaviour

- murder - pure and simple

- disregard for human beings/animals

- indignity to a human body

- harassing the Prime Minister of Canada

- mailing horrific materials

- interrupting schools (Vancouver) and political offices (Ottawa)

- on and on and on...........

Quite frankly, I don't know why there's a suggestion that mental illness is the only thing involved here.

:jail:
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Yeah I agree, that is what the charges are, and unless there's some enormous revelation, the nut is going to jail. But if you had to objectively defend him, assuming that forensics point to guilt, how would you possibly defend him?
 
CuriousRus said:
Yeah, I'd have to agree as there isn't any obvious proof of dealing drugs. There isn't much evidence of him making any money other than escorting, but where was he escorting if he wasn't bringing the johns to his apartment? Is there any evidence of stripping in more recent times? Any evidence of him doing Internet cam *advertiser censored*...that's something easily done if you have a place and the Internet, but I can't imagine that would make much money, but what a great ego booster for a narcissistic person.
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Yeh, that is where, when, I was asked for proof, regarding drug dealing, there is no proof of escort stuff, massage person, -- but I must say this is a wildly bright place.

We all, as I have enjoyed experiencing the last week, capable of making and sharing neat stuff without "proof" that quietly, we all know are realities.

And I do not remember the poster, but it was lifestyle out on fringes, that is what I was saying the word fringes were IT! –

*advertiser censored*, sex fetish, posting killer junk, slaughtering animals, cats, humans ,credit card fraud, Michael Jackson surgeries (!) -- for anyone IMO to possibly think , that no matter how mentally disturbed any one might be, one might not need a beer prior to slaughtering a human being , just to me sounds kind of silly

This dude’s life was not 9-5 at Wall Mart – with a 401K thrown in. Come on guys!
So my, without PROOF suggesting drug dealing as a viable component of LMs possible history just did not strike me as OUT THERE, or me throwing stuff at some wall to see if it sticks – just my O!!
 
Very good point.... I agree and understand better now :)
Yes, one way or another, Bundy was probably inspired by something he heard or read about someone.

AFAIK, the 'movies made me do it' or 'videogames made me kill' defense never really works, there were cases reported on that truecrime website but none was successful. There was a case here in Brazil where a Med student invaded a movie theater in a shopping center mall and shot everyone with a machine gun. He killed 3 persons plus injured 4, his defense alleged insanity and that he was influenced by some videogame called 'Duke Nukem 3D'. He was sentenced to 30years in prison so I guess his defense tactics didn't work... ;) After a while in prison he tried to murder another inmate and that homicide attempt was probably added to his criminal record. I don't think he will ever leave prison.... (sorry the wikipedia article is in portuguese but you get the idea) Mateus da Costa Meira – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre
If anyone remember some major case, please let me know!

CuriousRus said:
Yeah agreed, but the point I was trying to make is that all serial killers are copycats to some extent, something inspires them to do what they do. With LM it is simply more evident because he used pop culture gore and music and the Internet..and that was his inspiration for his method of madness and we're all very familiar with those things; we've seen one or two of the movies/shows.

What inspired Bundy and his methods? I dunno, because it wasn't paltered all over the Internet.

Has the "movies made me do it" ever been a successful defense?
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CARIIS said:
This post was in response to the wildly prevalent notion observed here, that because he is a pathological liar (Hallmark of the mental illness Narcissistic personality disorder!) NOTHING he ever said has any truth.

No one is ever, anything, always.

IMO, the narcissist is always a pathological liar, but imp, one must look at the needs being met by the lying.

Motivation/ Need fulfillment.

Certainly, if one comes from the perspective that he suffered with pathological narcissism then, the lie I am rich, I am the best looking thing on the planet, etc. meets a narcissists needs.

My contention and confusion -- Lm posting all over the place that he was in diapers and his mom is running around in face masks, and his father has been baker acted over and over, to someone he is trying to impress, does just the opposite --- it is NOT impressive.
If I met you, and wanted to impress you, would you possibly be more impressed with I earn 250 K (lie) or my dad has a long psych history.

There is no debate, imo, he is, an individual suffering from NPD, whose primary cause is intense childhood abuse.

LM is a pathological liar – truthful utterances, however, are, without a doubt, highly likely.
The first person writing by him, IMO is all true. It defeats his false image – there is no reason to make all that negative stuff up!
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You could take it the other way, the psychopath could very well say my parents are this and that and put them on a pedestal or in LM's case we know that his didn't have his father's approval and he hated him for it. Go back and listen to the interview with Nina. Then his "hate" for his mother. Wouldn't that entire story of "poor me", "nobody understands me" also put him the spotlight? It's a catch 22, nobody knows what the heck to believe in because in that post where he talks about the hate for his family, he posts at the very end that he is married, has a child, PURE BULLPOOP again.
 
CARIIS said:
Yeh, that is where, when, I was asked for proof, regarding drug dealing, there is no proof of escort stuff, massage person, -- but I must say this is a wildly bright place.

We all, as I have enjoyed experiencing the last week, capable of making and sharing neat stuff without "proof" that quietly, we all know are realities.

And I do not remember the poster, but it was lifestyle out on fringes, that is what I was saying the word fringes were IT! –

*advertiser censored*, sex fetish, posting killer junk, slaughtering animals, cats, humans ,credit card fraud, Michael Jackson surgeries (!) -- for anyone IMO to possibly think , that no matter how mentally disturbed any one might be, one might not need a beer prior to slaughtering a human being , just to me sounds kind of silly

This dude’s life was not 9-5 at Wall Mart – with a 401K thrown in. Come on guys!
So my, without PROOF suggesting drug dealing as a viable component of LMs possible history just did not strike me as OUT THERE, or me throwing stuff at some wall to see if it sticks – just my O!!
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Well I watched the Nina interview and found her very intelligent and very well spoken. I doubt she would lie when telling us that LM was a heavy narcotics user. As for the escort business I believe it's more than likely true when he was younger and you do have a less than stellar review of his services posted on line by someone who purchased his services. I would call that proof.
 
wow, beautifully written comment.
I agree with everything, you nailed!:rocker:

Mozzmo said:
I agree. An appropriate quote from him that is very likely one of his personal truths. How frustrated, disenchanted and baffled at the world he must have been when despite multiple cosmetic surgeries (alledgedly) he could not enhance his looks enough to lasso in the adulation he demanded and felt so entitled to. How increasingly desperate he must have felt as he continually blugeoned his self-esteem, self-respect, and identity....day after day and year after year....with every stripping tip, low grade *advertiser censored*, and grandfather-like john that he let roll on top of him. How allergic to his own skin he must have felt after allowing so many predatory hands molest him for his next meal. No designer clothing could cloak the true disgust he must have felt. How tortured is any beauty you might possess when you allow others to enact unbridled disrespect upon your body and soul. Would that beauty not fade? I believe so. Perhaps LM has to blame life's natural process of physical aging as a reason to turn to evil, but I believe it was in part the own evil he imparted upon himself that took a damaged child and incarnated him into a vulgar monster.
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Donyale said:
Very good point.... I agree and understand better now :)
Yes, one way or another, Bundy was probably inspired by something he heard or read about someone.

AFAIK, the 'movies made me do it' or 'videogames made me kill' defense never really works, there were cases reported on that truecrime website but none was successful. There was a case here in Brazil where a Med student invaded a movie theater in a shopping center mall and shot everyone with a machine gun. He killed 3 persons plus injured 4, his defense alleged insanity and that he was influenced by some videogame called 'Duke Nukem 3D'. He was sentenced to 30years in prison so I guess his defense tactics didn't work... ;) After a while in prison he tried to murder another inmate and that homicide attempt was probably added to his criminal record. I don't think he will ever leave prison.... (sorry the wikipedia article is in portuguese but you get the idea) Mateus da Costa Meira – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre
If anyone remember some major case, please let me know!
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Funny, I play trivia with my self, humm what could AFAIK mean?

Sometimes i get it - well I did not win a free trip - so what does that mean here?
 
CuriousRus said:
One could make very negative stuff up to garner sympathy or blaming others for one's own shortcomings. For instance, my Dad beat me and my mother left when I was two and my grandmother made me do this or that.....But I rose above it all and now I'm rich and famous and pretty. It's a pathetic lie to show how far you've come...like a true survivor.

I'm just making a point. It's hard not to believe there is something disturbing in his past, but I don't think you can trust any of his postings unfortunately and there just isn't enough proof to say it is for sure. Not everyone who was abused turns out to be a psychopath, just as not ever psychopath was abused, although I would guess more psychopath's ware abused than not.
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You are right, not everyone who was abused becomes a psychopath, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a psychopath who wasn't abused.
 
I was doing some reading this afternoon about psychopaths who murder (sorry, no link as it was an article from my place of work) and the notion of murdering for sexual satisfaction was discussed.

Nevermind the mental illness, the lying, the living a double life, the *advertiser censored*, etc........why can't we just see that he possibly enjoyed the act of killing?

That idea makes much more sense to me than any other. Yes, he has a mental illness, yes he's a liar, yes he's a *advertiser censored* person, yes he uses many different identities.......but perhaps all of that was aimed at the sole purpose of getting sexual gratification from torture and murder.

:moo:
 
Mbshafeena said:
Well I watched the Nina interview and found her very intelligent and very well spoken. I doubt she would lie when telling us that LM was a heavy narcotics user. As for the escort business I believe it's more than likely true when he was younger and you do have a less than stellar review of his services posted on line by someone who purchased his services. I would call that proof.
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found her very intelligent and very well spoken
me too authentic was thrilled when her stuff first started to come out
some insight into him
def think she was credible with no agenda

hey she moved on with her life, had no issue with telling it like it was !
absol!
 
CuriousRus said:
Yeah agreed, but the point I was trying to make is that all serial killers are copycats to some extent, something inspires them to do what they do. With LM it is simply more evident because he used pop culture gore and music and the Internet..and that was his inspiration for his method of madness and we're all very familiar with those things; we've seen one or two of the movies/shows.

What inspired Bundy and his methods? I dunno, because it wasn't paltered all over the Internet.

Has the "movies made me do it" ever been a successful defense?
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Ted Bundy blamed violent *advertiser censored* and violence on tv, movies.
 
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