Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #17

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I’ve spent days reading all the posts and links by all of you amazing sleuthers and there are a few things that caught my eye and make this seem a little more premeditated, if there is any truth to the reports and articles that are coming out.

Joran himself admitted that he had met Stephany on the 27th of May in his confession. I found this quote interesting…

But Álvarez says there are still gaps:

We also need to investigate the record of telephone calls that Stephany Flores received. We know that she received calls from Joran during the days before her death.


http://www.rnw.nl/international-justice/article/joran-van-der-sloot-open-jail

So they know that Joran and Stephany were at least in phone contact with each other from the time they met on the 27th? If this is true, there was more to it than just a chance meeting at a casino that night. Her own family I believe stated that they hadn’t seen her since the Friday didn’t they? We know she was with friends for some time on the Saturday but where was she on the Friday night?

Joran also supposedly called his mother before the murder to tell of the “he and Stephany were being followed and they were robbed” story? The same story he told the Chilean LE? Only he embellished it to them by telling them it was Peruvian LE who were responsible. Setting up a possible defence days before the murder using his own mother? I’m sure if there was any truth to this, Stephany would have gone to the Peruvian authorities or at least would have told her father. And he threw in a reference to NH in that version to his mother? Always using that incident for his “troubles”. And if he told his mother that these two mysterious robbers showed them pictures of NH, wouldn’t Stephany have questioned him then about who she was and what that was all about? And how did he know days before the murder that Stephany had a vehicle for them to be travelling around in? Maybe because they were travelling around in it days prior to when they left the casino on the morning of the 30th?

Then there is the question of the tidal charts off the coast of Lima. If there is any truth to that report, he most likely didn’t print it off his laptop, he bought it. The question is when…and I suppose why? Where might he have learned about tidal charts and how to read them to know where to toss a body so that it would not wind up back on the beach? If he did have one in his possession it’s unlikely that he was thinking of going sailing.

Another report way back, that first came out of Chile, was that he had told the Chilean LE that he knew Stephany came from a well to do family and that she was a lesbian. If he told the Chilean LE this, then either he did know this information from his conversations with Stephany or he was reading the internet on the run before being picked up. Not sure whether either of these facts came up on the internet before he was apprehended. If Stephany had told him these two things, then this was most likely not sexually motivated. It would seem more likely that he was befriending her to get his hands on some money. He might have tried to charm it out of her but if he was setting up the robbery story days before the murder and he had tidal charts in his possession, he might have been setting up for the possibility that killing her for the money was an option too. And we still haven’t heard what kind of luggage he left in the hotel room when he fled. He knew he was going to be in Peru for a few weeks at least so it’s unlikely he showed up there with just a duffle bag and a knapsack.

There was no weapon used in the murder. Joran himself seemed surprised by the amount of blood since he mentioned it in his confession. A strangulation murder and a body dump into the ocean would have been much easier to get away with. Stephany would forever be a missing person. It’s possible it has worked for him before? But then Stephany had to go and struggle and the murder became bloody. And of course there was those darn cameras…something I’m almost sure he was not aware of until the fake coffee run and I think he was more sure of it when he came back briefly and looked directly at it before leaving to go get someone to let him back into the room. I think he realized at that point that he could never clean up all the evidence in his room and that the camera would prove that Stephany had never left and the only thing left to do was flee.

Of course all of this is MOO based on reports that we aren’t sure are even true.
 
Interpol did a remarkable job in arresting Joran and I think it shocked Joran how quickly they caught him....but then again, he stands out like a 'beacon' in the night!

His buzz cut and dye job didn't work for him.....like it didn't work for SPeterson.

Another sociopath imo
 
What we do know is this.........Joran van der Sloot WAS THE WEAPON used to KILL STEPHANY.

For someone who is supposed to be Intelligent (as reported by his mother and friends,) he certainly lost track of that.....when he forgot about the videos aimed at Room 309 showing his comings and goings.

He can twist, squirm, come up with more lies, but in the end it will be just that....THE END OF JORAN van der SLOOT.

 
I also noticed that I believe in Joran's confession he mentioned going to an ATM to try to get money for the cab drivers but he was unsuccessful. Isn't that when he claimed he gave them the watch and clothes and cologne? Unless he was crying broke to his friends when he still had money in his bank, I don't think he could have gotten money out of his account at that point which is why he was so desperate. Is is possible that he tried to use Stephany's cards then? Would that have been in Chile just after he got across the border? Maybe he did have her pin number but she didn't have any money in her bank account either?

Just wondering where the stories of him trying to access her account via her bank cards came from. I thought I read something here that indicated that her father mentioned this.
 
They are talking about today's hearing on in session....they haven't said if the arraignment will be live, But Jean Casarez is down there covering it.
 
Was this a secretly recorded conversation between Deepak and Joran in the car? After Natalie was missing? I guess what I'm wondering is, do you know where this conversation took place?

Deepak" "Your own father...Unbelievable."

June 29th 2005 Taped police car conversation with Joran, Deepak & Satish

About half way down
http://scrux.com/transcripts/policecarconvo/policecarconvo.htm

(Personally, I really don't want to start a discussion on this. No way of telling what is true or false.)
 
They are talking about today's hearing on in session....they haven't said if the arraignment will be live, But Jean Casarez is down there covering it.

MSNBC reporter Michele K just reported that hearing will not be broadcast live.
 
I recall reading that since his arrest and imprisonment, joran has been seen by a psychiatrist and psychologist. It'll be interesting to hear their input.
 
I also noticed that I believe in Joran's confession he mentioned going to an ATM to try to get money for the cab drivers but he was unsuccessful. Isn't that when he claimed he gave them the watch and clothes and cologne? Unless he was crying broke to his friends when he still had money in his bank, I don't think he could have gotten money out of his account at that point which is why he was so desperate. Is is possible that he tried to use Stephany's cards then? Would that have been in Chile just after he got across the border? Maybe he did have her pin number but she didn't have any money in her bank account either?

Just wondering where the stories of him trying to access her account via her bank cards came from. I thought I read something here that indicated that her father mentioned this.

I read where her father gave her $1000 (dollars ?) to get a new laptop.
As for the watch given to the cabdrivers......that was photographed with the articles that Radaronline posted. So that must be another of his lies.

In one video where he is seated with the officials, one official is shown counting money....and that must be the money he stole from Stephany.
 
Just listened to the Steph Watts blog radio program from yesterday. He just got back from Aruba and spent some time talking to locals and friends of JVS, amongst other things. They had some interesting stories to tell re: his childhood escapades. One involving his younger brother, Sebastian, that is distressing.

Since I guess this may be considered rumormongering, you can listen for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this


BTW, good insights and questions, Kamille. :)
 
I recall reading that since his arrest and imprisonment, joran has been seen by a psychiatrist and psychologist. It'll be interesting to hear their input.

Oh yeah.....their assessment will be vital for the prosecution (judge in this case).
 
Both his younger brothers must be studying in the USA. According to Anita( source her Telegraaf interview) both brothers flew in from the USA to attend the services of their father in Arnhem, The Netherlands. Joran flew in from somewhere to attend. Anita did not specify a place of origin for Joran.

Just a correction for the record. It has been reported numerous times that Joran has brother Val 2 years younger at Emerson. Youngest brother Sebastian is reported to be 13. So if Sebastian "flew in", he must have been visiting Val in USA.

This information was posted along with discussion of another half-brother "Ecstasy" for which no truth was determined. What I am curious about is that Joran has been reported to have "abused brother," did have some counseling at that time, followed by Joran being moved out of family house. Hopefully he was not abusing little brother who would have been 8 or younger 5 years ago. Seems parents took that event(s) seriously.
 
They are talking about today's hearing on in session....they haven't said if the arraignment will be live, But Jean Casarez is down there covering it.

I'm sure we'll get the complete low-down on JVM or NG 'bombshells' tonight.
 
His Spanish is very good, he conversed with the official prior to signing the paper and he studied it carefully, reading every word.

HE'S A SLICK ONE......he's been a 'teflon' murderer throughout the Holloway case and now his goose is cooked and he knows it.


I'm not sticking up for Joran in the least, because I feel he is as guilty as they come....But maybe he speaks Spanish way better than he reads and writes it. Maybe that is why he studied the document before signing. Just a thought.
 
There must be some type of insanity plea in Peru. Why else would the judge ask for results of psychological testing at VDS's first court appearance on Mon.

I hope Joran can't fool whatever psychiatrist or psychologist they hire to do this testing.
 
I read where her father gave her $1000 (dollars ?) to get a new laptop.
As for the watch given to the cabdrivers......that was photographed with the articles that Radaronline posted. So that must be another of his lies.

In one video where he is seated with the officials, one official is shown counting money....and that must be the money he stole from Stephany.

Sorry if anyone has already posted this, I'm not quite caught up today, but I keep wondering why Stephany's dad would have given her $1,000 to buy a laptop if she had won $10,000 already at poker, as they are now saying? i.e. she wouldn't need him to give her the money.
 
Just a correction for the record. It has been reported numerous times that Joran has brother Val 2 years younger at Emerson. Youngest brother Sebastian is reported to be 13. So if Sebastian "flew in", he must have been visiting Val in USA.

This information was posted along with discussion of another half-brother "Ecstasy" for which no truth was determined. What I am curious about is that Joran has been reported to have "abused brother," did have some counseling at that time, followed by Joran being moved out of family house. Hopefully he was not abusing little brother who would have been 8 or younger 5 years ago. Seems parents took that event(s) seriously.

For the parents to have taken steps to have Joran 'move out of the family house', they positively knew he was bad. What kind of abuse was not reported but they did take those necessary steps, however they should've done more than that.

Once Joran headed to Netherlands and then to Thailand, he was on a mission to GET RICH QUICK. He didn't care what it would take to make money just that he made it by using girls.
From that point on he was on a downward spiral to hell. IMO

It took 5 years for him, feeling that he was 'untouchable' and getting away with NH's disappearance & hiding her body....changing his numerous stories to the Aruban police, he felt he could do anything and nothing would touch him at all.

Daddy passed and that was the end of his 'protection' in Aruba.

The murder of Stephany put this guy back on the map so to speak and in a country he should've googled what their JUSTICE and PRISON SYSTEM was all about before doing the killing.
He only had his many lies to fall back on - as a true Sociopath would do.

It's just so very sad that another young girl had to die at this hands inorder to stop this MONSTER.

AIMO
 
re the killing of the dog:

five years ago I belonged to a NH forum where many arubans posted and one in particular had a post count in the 1000s. her location was verified by the forum admin and, in addition, the link to her aruban blog was included in her sig line so her R/L identity was well known. let's call this poster "A"

A's mother has a cousin who was a former gov't official and a peripheral part of the investigation. let's call the cousin "B"

B has a grandson who was a classmate of JvdS. JvdS killed his dog and put the blame on B's grandson. B's extended family was livid and threatened to go to the Polis and file a complaint, which caused JvdS to admit that he had killed his dog and thrown the remains into the Moko pond (near the VdS home)

this dog-killing situation was commented on by other aruban posters at that forum as well, because it was common knowledge in their circle

the quote "killing animals is the least of his problems" came from another aruban at that forum, who was making small talk w/ a staff member at the mental health clinic where JvdS was undergoing anger management counseling (and this second poster's daughter was also receiving counseling, hence the chit chat w/ the staff)

no media links and perhaps not helpful in terms of validity, but FWIW that's how it went down

GramCracker: Thank you for verifying this event as true. What was never clear is HOW he killed the dog. Still, can you imagine killing the family dog!!?? After being found out, Joran bragged about this on the school bus. Just like he bragged about being with Natalee on the bus.
 
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